DAP started to get serious?

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Listen, maybe you are the jerk filled with hatred. Did you ever think folks might tire of hearing about the Bolts and DAP superiority, how you HAVE to play DAP if you want to consider yourself a serious player or trying to do your best, how this suddenly doesn't apply when actually talking about college because then you switch your argument, etc, etc. I don't hate the Bolts or DAP. I can't stand people like you who make all sorts of claims and proclamations and then cower in bruised entitled and superior rage when you are countered with facts like the equal or better outcomes for the non-DAP. You can resume hunt and pull all your strings, but you are no better than anyone else, and that's what drives your entitled rage. You think you belong to a special country club and you don't understand why they would ever let guests step foot on your golf course or swim in your pool. And then when asked to substantiate your specialness you've got nothing. Just like btdt, you expect to have a field day and set all the rules and make all sorts of claims, and you just expect all that to go unchallenged. We should stay just as quiet and obedient as your hired help.

Is there any need for name calling? If you aren't interested in topics, involving DAP, then ignore them.

You make quite the assumptions about others, and it's obvious you couldn't be more wrong. You are so far off base, that you couldn't see it with a telescope. The facts you use are so blatantly geared to your skewed way of thinking, and you refuse to acknowledge any fact that opposes your point of view.

You are such a bitter fool, it's obvious to everyone reading this forum, and one has to wonder where your hatred comes from.

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Is there any need for name calling? If you aren't interested in topics, involving DAP, then ignore them.

You make quite the assumptions about others, and it's obvious you couldn't be more wrong. You are so far off base, that you couldn't see it with a telescope. The facts you use are so blatantly geared to your skewed way of thinking, and you refuse to acknowledge any fact that opposes your point of view.

You are such a bitter fool, it's obvious to everyone reading this forum, and one has to wonder where your hatred comes from.

No need for name calling??? Do "manic hatred" and "bitter fool" count??? Maybe the forum populous have figured out something about BOTH of us. And, btw, what facts have you refused to acknowledge???

I am fine with DAP. My issue is with people like you.

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Charlie Davies DC United/FC Sochaux (Ligue 1) Boston College
Jay Heaps N/A US Men’s National Team/New England Revolution/Duke University
Sheannon Williams Philadelphia Union (MLS) Harrisburg City Islanders/U17 MNT
Mike Fucito Seattle Sounders (MLS)
Chris Tierney New England Revolution (MLS)
Mike Videira Chicago Fire (MLS) New England Revolution/U17 & U20 MNT
William Packwood Birmingham City (England) U17 Men’s National Team
Sam Brill Austin Aztex (USSF Division 2)

How many have gone pro from the Revs?? One?? .....and he is doing so well!!!

OK...I see you point. You want to know how many players have gone in the last 12 months. The Revs have one (they took their own) and the Bolts have none.

If you want to talk about facts in numbers then you need to be aware of statistics. Statistically, 1 vs. 0 is not significant. In fact, 3 vs. 0 would also be insignificant. If the Revs had 5 or more, you can start to speak, however you would have to present confidence intervals with it.

The same would be true regarding national team players.

Do you have any other shoot-from-the-hip statements??

I asked a simple question which you answered in your first paragraph.

Did you see the Rev's play Saturday night? Nice goal for the 16 year old against the Sounders. The Rev's should get credit for bringing along his talent. Where did DF play before the Rev's? The Bolts. DF & the players you mention above built their soccer skill base upon a variety of coaching: club, town, ODP, camp, high school, college, etc. To claim a single club as the source of producing a soccer talent is misleading. Look at the gk JTA. He played for the Bolts and signed but didn't play with the Rev's during their first DAP season. Both clubs list him as an alumnus.

I am well versed in statistics, thank you. Are you sure you are not confusing prediction intervals with confidence intervals? It appears that you are trying to extrapolate data from the sample of pro soccer players produced by these clubs. When constructing a confidence interval, you need to measure the data incidence over time. How many pro's had the Bolts generated after their third season of existence?

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I asked a simple question which you answered in your first paragraph.

Did you see the Rev's play Saturday night? Nice goal for the 16 year old against the Sounders. The Rev's should get credit for bringing along his talent. Where did DF play before the Rev's? The Bolts. DF & the players you mention above built their soccer skill base upon a variety of coaching: club, town, ODP, camp, high school, college, etc. To claim a single club as the source of producing a soccer talent is misleading. Look at the gk JTA. He played for the Bolts and signed but didn't play with the Rev's during their first DAP season. Both clubs list him as an alumnus.

I am well versed in statistics, thank you. Are you sure you are not confusing prediction intervals with confidence intervals? It appears that you are trying to extrapolate data from the sample of pro soccer players produced by these clubs. When constructing a confidence interval, you need to measure the data incidence over time. How many pro's had the Bolts
generated after their third season of existence?

Different poster here, but DF is a perfect example of why it is impossible for any single program to take credit for a great player. Yes DF is now a pro and he has developed beautifully since joining the Revs, but he was DC's protégé for years and years at the Bolts. DC and the Bolts are every bit as much a part of DF's current success as the Revs are.

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Different poster here, but DF is a perfect example of why it is impossible for any single program to take credit for a great player. Yes DF is now a pro and he has developed beautifully since joining the Revs, but he was DC's protégé for years and years at the Bolts. DC and the Bolts are every bit as much a part of DF's current success as the Revs are.

... and he was already a standout when he played for Western United before he jumped to the Bolts (to make your point yet again!).

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... and he was already a standout when he played for Western United before he jumped to the Bolts (to make your point yet again!).

you mean FC United.

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... and he was already a standout when he played for Western United before he jumped to the Bolts (to make your point yet again!).

And if you asked DF, he might well say his father is really the one who should be getting all the credit!

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Is there any need for name calling? If you aren't interested in topics, involving DAP, then ignore them.

You make quite the assumptions about others, and it's obvious you couldn't be more wrong. You are so far off base, that you couldn't see it with a telescope. The facts you use are so blatantly geared to your skewed way of thinking, and you refuse to acknowledge any fact that opposes your point of view.

You are such a bitter fool, it's obvious to everyone reading this forum, and one has to wonder where your hatred comes from.

You are right my friend, and I want to warmly invite you into the cadre of posters who like, agree with, and even enjoy my posts in other threads. In that spirit, I concede the following:

1) The DAP and particularly the Bolts DAP results for 2011 grads were superb. Well done.

2) The non-DAP 2011 grads are NOT playing soccer at UVM, UNH, BC, Providence, Iona, Colgate, Central Connecticut, Wesleyan, Williams, Brandeis, Colby, Trinity, Bates, Rochester, Connecticut College, Kenyon, Wheaton, Tufts, St Anselm, Stonehill, WPI, Wentworth, Keene State, UMass-Dartmouth, Curry, Babson, Assumption, SNHU, all the state colleges, and a host of other D3 schools. I should also concede that apparently not a single non-DAP player was successfully recruited to any college west of the Mississippi River, no doubt due solely to the limited reach of the non-DAP programming.

3) WP's 2 years with the Bolts did way more for his development than his 4 years with FC Birmingham. He was not even among the top 50 players in his age group in Mass when he joined Bolts from Inter.

4) Western United should immediately take Jay Heaps off of their website because clearly he was always a Bolt through and through.

5) The Bolts are clearly superior to the Revs, as the Bolts are a real soccer club and the Revs are really a pro football team that has a soccer team.

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Different poster here, but DF is a perfect example of why it is impossible for any single program to take credit for a great player. Yes DF is now a pro and he has developed beautifully since joining the Revs, but he was DC's protégé for years and years at the Bolts. DC and the Bolts are every bit as much a part of DF's current success as the Revs are.

How did FO lure DC away from the Bolts?

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How did FO lure DC away from the Bolts?

He didn't. DC and BA got in a fight and DC left. A week before SC. It wasn't pretty.

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I asked a simple question which you answered in your first paragraph.

Did you see the Rev's play Saturday night? Nice goal for the 16 year old against the Sounders. The Rev's should get credit for bringing along his talent. Where did DF play before the Rev's? The Bolts. DF & the players you mention above built their soccer skill base upon a variety of coaching: club, town, ODP, camp, high school, college, etc. To claim a single club as the source of producing a soccer talent is misleading. Look at the gk JTA. He played for the Bolts and signed but didn't play with the Rev's during their first DAP season. Both clubs list him as an alumnus.

I am well versed in statistics, thank you. Are you sure you are not confusing prediction intervals with confidence intervals? It appears that you are trying to extrapolate data from the sample of pro soccer players produced by these clubs. When constructing a confidence interval, you need to measure the data incidence over time. How many pro's had the Bolts generated after their third season of existence?

You may think you understand statistics but you are just trying to sound intelligent.
Prediction intervals predict the distribution of individual future points, whereas confidence intervals and credible intervals of parameters predict the distribution of estimates of the true population mean or other quantity of interest that cannot be observed.
Since your N is so small you can only try to predict what might be real in the larger population. Hence why confidence intervals make more sense.....to attempt to relate a small N to the larger population.

Regardless, the N=1 player cannot in anyway way, shape, or form be analyzed intelligently to compare the two clubs. Yes, it is correct that the Revs have produced 1 professional player and the Bolts have not produced any over the last 2 years......statistically insignificant difference.....we can agree on that.

When considering the bias presented i.e. the Revs pro team takes their own DAP player it creates more confusion e.g. not a controlled study.

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Geez. You guys are starting to make the crazies in the GU14 thread seem sane. Never thought that would happen.

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You are right my friend, and I want to warmly invite you into the cadre of posters who like, agree with, and even enjoy my posts in other threads. In that spirit, I concede the following:

1) The DAP and particularly the Bolts DAP results for 2011 grads were superb. Well done.

2) The non-DAP 2011 grads are NOT playing soccer at UVM, UNH, BC, Providence, Iona, Colgate, Central Connecticut, Wesleyan, Williams, Brandeis, Colby, Trinity, Bates, Rochester, Connecticut College, Kenyon, Wheaton, Tufts, St Anselm, Stonehill, WPI, Wentworth, Keene State, UMass-Dartmouth, Curry, Babson, Assumption, SNHU, all the state colleges, and a host of other D3 schools. I should also concede that apparently not a single non-DAP player was successfully recruited to any college west of the Mississippi River, no doubt due solely to the limited reach of the non-DAP programming.

3) WP's 2 years with the Bolts did way more for his development than his 4 years with FC Birmingham. He was not even among the top 50 players in his age group in Mass when he joined Bolts from Inter.

4) Western United should immediately take Jay Heaps off of their website because clearly he was always a Bolt through and through.

5) The Bolts are clearly superior to the Revs, as the Bolts are a real soccer club and the Revs are really a pro football team that has a soccer team.

This post proves three things:

1) There is an unhealthy and significant hatred for the Bolts.

2) This hatred severley clouds your memory and judgement

3) The poster was a liar when he claimed earlier that he did not hate the Bolts.

Your massive ego aside, how does anyone in this forum determine your posts from anyone elses? As for your alleged points:

No one has ever claimed that non DAP kids don't get recruited, don't go to good schools, or don't play when they are in college. What has been said is that DAP events are more often used by more coaches because most of the best players are at DAP playing each other.

WP moved to the Bolts at U13. As a parent whose kid played against him many times, he was clearly one of the more talented kid in the state in his age group, as his selection to ODP, and the national team suggested. And I will take the evaluation of a group of regional and national youth coaches over that of a bitter parent looking for reasons to bash a club.

Why do you think Jay Heaps decided he wanted/needed to drive from the western part of the state to the eastern part to play for the Bolts?

Based on US Soccer's DAP club evluations, there isn't a very big difference between the Bolts or the Revs. Again, no one has ever said that the Revs are a preferred destination because of the cost, or the prestige for playing for the pro club. But you refuse to read anything anyone writes who dares to say anything positive about the club you seem hell-bent on bashing.

Why don't you take on some real causes of injustice, such as kitten neutering, the clubbing of baby seals, or the exorbitant pricing of coffee at Starbucks.

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This post proves three things:

1) There is an unhealthy and significant hatred for the Bolts.

2) This hatred severley clouds your memory and judgement

3) The poster was a liar when he claimed earlier that he did not hate the Bolts.

Your massive ego aside, how does anyone in this forum determine your posts from anyone elses? As for your alleged points:

No one has ever claimed that non DAP kids don't get recruited, don't go to good schools, or don't play when they are in college. What has been said is that DAP events are more often used by more coaches because most of the best players are at DAP playing each other.

WP moved to the Bolts at U13. As a parent whose kid played against him many times, he was clearly one of the more talented kid in the state in his age group, as his selection to ODP, and the national team suggested. And I will take the evaluation of a group of regional and national youth coaches over that of a bitter parent looking for reasons to bash a club.

Why do you think Jay Heaps decided he wanted/needed to drive from the western part of the state to the eastern part to play for the Bolts?

Based on US Soccer's DAP club evluations, there isn't a very big difference between the Bolts or the Revs. Again, no one has ever said that the Revs are a preferred destination because of the cost, or the prestige for playing for the pro club. But you refuse to read anything anyone writes who dares to say anything positive about the club you seem hell-bent on bashing.

Why don't you take on some real causes of injustice, such as kitten neutering, the clubbing of baby seals, or the exorbitant pricing of coffee at Starbucks.

Thanks for your reply.

Just to clarify, I was obviously being sarcastic about WP, because I am a jerk, after all, right? WP was the #1 or #2 player in the state before he even got to the Bolts. That was my point. The Bolts didn't "make him."

And I am concerned about the pricing at Starbucks.

And I am also disturbed by how many posts in a row you can blithely throw out the words 'unhealthy' and 'hatred' towards someone you know nothing about and no understanding about my perspective so you just make something up that sounds as evil and nefarious as possible.

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You are right my friend, and I want to warmly invite you into the cadre of posters who like, agree with, and even enjoy my posts in other threads. In that spirit, I concede the following:

1) The DAP and particularly the Bolts DAP results for 2011 grads were superb. Well done.

2) The non-DAP 2011 grads are NOT playing soccer at UVM, UNH, BC, Providence, Iona, Colgate, Central Connecticut, Wesleyan, Williams, Brandeis, Colby, Trinity, Bates, Rochester, Connecticut College, Kenyon, Wheaton, Tufts, St Anselm, Stonehill, WPI, Wentworth, Keene State, UMass-Dartmouth, Curry, Babson, Assumption, SNHU, all the state colleges, and a host of other D3 schools. I should also concede that apparently not a single non-DAP player was successfully recruited to any college west of the Mississippi River, no doubt due solely to the limited reach of the non-DAP programming.

3) WP's 2 years with the Bolts did way more for his development than his 4 years with FC Birmingham. He was not even among the top 50 players in his age group in Mass when he joined Bolts from Inter.

4) Western United should immediately take Jay Heaps off of their website because clearly he was always a Bolt through and through.

5) The Bolts are clearly superior to the Revs, as the Bolts are a real soccer club and the Revs are really a pro football team that has a soccer team.

What are you smoking with regard to your #2 above? Many of the non-DAP players are playing at these schools.