Poor Refereeing at Stars Cup

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What an arrogant SOB you are CUJO. Too bad you won't be out of the game sooner because the game would be better for it.

Can someone post a vidoe of Cujo reffin?
Maybe Cujo would even do it himself?
Now that would be a thread I would register to post on!!!!

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What vacuums do you guys work in?
I am a level 7 ref. Not a stud. Not a knucklehead.

I work with plenty of lower level refs and am able to give them feedback and instruction without it turning into a food fight. The same thing happens when I work with higher level referees. It is actually more unusual for me to do a game where at least one of the ref's ISN'T receiving some sort of "instruction."

As for formal assessments, I receive at least 4 per year (one for HS, one for my "maintenance" and then a at least 2 during state cup: one center, one line). And if I wanted more, all I have to do is ask.

BTW, without trying to decide the great parent/referee competency debate, I will point out that all of my assessors have always sat on the sideline. It didn't seem to prevent them from passing judgement on my performance. LOL!

I disagree about the average fan especially at U12. The fans learn more as their kids get older and in fact by u18 most parents really don't care that much about the games. But the average U12 fan probably has not read the LOTG. What they know they pick up from others on the sideline. Don't forget that I have been on the sideline with parents too and I would say at least half have an imperfect understanding of the game. I simply don't understand why people think that out of control parents such as the guy who started this thread by posting the video should be molly-coddled. They need their butts thrown off the sidelines. The kids will be happier, most of the other parents will be happier, and the coaches will be happier. The reason this BS goes on is that the consequences for bad behavior are infrequently assessed and rarely do they make the impact they should.

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I have to say after talking to a friend who's daughter reffed games there. She was ridden by the parents even when the play was on the far side of the field. "do your job" "Pay attention" etc. etc. Never ended the entire game, really big parents. These parents are just like the one who shouted/filmed the video that started the thread. To the parents I say shut up and do your job and watch your child play with what little class you might have. To the other two older refs who made her go back to the parent side when she asked for help (or to work the coaches side) I say grow a pair. I can't believe that two adults would do this to a 15 year old. As a ref I'm disgusted that they could not do the right thing...

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I have to say after talking to a friend who's daughter reffed games there. She was ridden by the parents even when the play was on the far side of the field. "do your job" "Pay attention" etc. etc. Never ended the entire game, really big parents. These parents are just like the one who shouted/filmed the video that started the thread. To the parents I say shut up and do your job and watch your child play with what little class you might have. To the other two older refs who made her go back to the parent side when she asked for help (or to work the coaches side) I say grow a pair. I can't believe that two adults would do this to a 15 year old. As a ref I'm disgusted that they could not do the right thing...

What they should have done is gone over and dealt with parents side. Stop the game when the parents start yapping and then have the coaches deal with the parents. If it continues start tossing parents. Personally I am sick and tired of the privileged parents who think they have the right to say whatever they want without consequence. Shut up and cheer for the kids (both sides). There are many classy parents who do just that and they are just as frustrated with the 20% who are meatheads. For the most part they don't get involved because they don't want a confrontation.

Nowhere I have I seen any requirement that a 15 year old ref in training be subjected to this kind of nonsense. I have been an official for 6 years now and it took me 2-3 years to feel comfortable and confident. The first year was rough. Second year was better. Now I am in total control and totally confident. But I am in my 50's and was able to tune out the parents or deal with them face to face if they crossed the line. I can't imagine what it would be like to be 15 and have adults berating you while you are trying to learn a very very difficult job. Personally all leagues and tournaments should have a zero tolerance rule for young officials. If you verbally berate a ref under 18 you are gone from the sidelines no questions asked no second chance.

If you want to bitch and moan about old refs who can't cover the field then be part of the solution and work towards developing young referees. No profession can handle a 75% attrition rate. It is unsustainable. Not only does it allow poor officials to stay in the game but it puts an excessive burden on good officials. I could work 7 days a week if I chose to. All to frequently I am working alone.

Unfortunately everybody is afraid of the parents because they hold the trump card and that is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

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What they should have done is gone over and dealt with parents side. Stop the game when the parents start yapping and then have the coaches deal with the parents. If it continues start tossing parents. Personally I am sick and tired of the privileged parents who think they have the right to say whatever they want without consequence. Shut up and cheer for the kids (both sides). There are many classy parents who do just that and they are just as frustrated with the 20% who are meatheads. For the most part they don't get involved because they don't want a confrontation.

Nowhere I have I seen any requirement that a 15 year old ref in training be subjected to this kind of nonsense. I have been an official for 6 years now and it took me 2-3 years to feel comfortable and confident. The first year was rough. Second year was better. Now I am in total control and totally confident. But I am in my 50's and was able to tune out the parents or deal with them face to face if they crossed the line. I can't imagine what it would be like to be 15 and have adults berating you while you are trying to learn a very very difficult job. Personally all leagues and tournaments should have a zero tolerance rule for young officials. If you verbally berate a ref under 18 you are gone from the sidelines no questions asked no second chance.

If you want to bitch and moan about old refs who can't cover the field then be part of the solution and work towards developing young referees. No profession can handle a 75% attrition rate. It is unsustainable. Not only does it allow poor officials to stay in the game but it puts an excessive burden on good officials. I could work 7 days a week if I chose to. All to frequently I am working alone.

Unfortunately everybody is afraid of the parents because they hold the trump card and that is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Gotta say your story sounds a lot like mine.
I can remember the day (about 2 yrs into doing centers) that it dawned on me that I could toss any spectator for almost no reason at all, and the world did not end.
All new youth referees should be forced to recite the following phrase 1000 times before being given a whistle: "Coach, that spectator needs to be removed or I will terminate this contest."
I've probably said it 35 time over the last 7 years and NEVER received any negative feedback. Many times people have thanked me: refs, coaches, players, other parents....
AND THERE IS NO POST-GAME PAPERWORK!!!! WHAT COULD BE BETTER!!!!!

As for the "teammates" of the 15 yr old ref.....I hope we are only hearing one side of the story. It could be that she was just being too sensitive, and there are serious reasons to not switch sides for ARs. But if the story can be taken at face value, the center referee is a coward for not coming to the young ARs defense.

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The sideline behavior of parents at youth soccer matches is, in principle, not much different than many other childhood activities today.

It is part of the modern day preoccupation with their child's activities, their need for their personal ego reinforcement , which leads to angst and turmoil because of the feeling of helplessness they have during actual events.

Most disruptive sideline parental behavior is rooted in ego defensiveness. The parents need to be as close to the action as possible, lined up in their chairs, inches from the field if they could get away with it,and is revealing to their task at hand.

Their task at hand is to try and ensure that their child gets what they believe is fair, is not denied their moment to shine, and if someone on the field with a whistle stands iin the way of that, they are the target.

The sideline behavior has less to do with knowledge of the LOTG, less to do with understanding the concepts of managing an athletic contest , and more to do with the basic needs of parents to dominate the situation involving their children. All the more in today's environment, with more money being spent, more potential chest pounding and ego satisfying by the parent , more leagues, trophies. " champions' and the like.
There are many well behaved parents on the sideline. Those are the ones that are mature and psychologically level enough to accept their role ,and to understand proper behavior in regards to their children's events.

It is unfortunate that the unstable ones are those that drive the negative behavior, and due to the human elements of transferable emotions, many who would not say a word under most circumstances are sucked into the negative behavior.

Unfortunately ,the only solution, where the innocent would suffer, is to have parents watch the games on a video feed from 100 yards away or from the parking lot. In my opinion, it would be better for the children, the officials, and the game itself.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM4zE..._order&list=UL

How many see the retaliation on the first view?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM4zE..._order&list=UL

How many see the retaliation on the first view?

Not me. I watched several times and still not sure. Perhaps a yellow for both players might have been a better choice, but the AR may have seen more than I did.

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Not me. I watched several times and still not sure. Perhaps a yellow for both players might have been a better choice, but the AR may have seen more than I did.

I think it is helpful to approach these situations with 3 questions
1) what was seen
2) what actually happened
3) what did the refs do with the information they had

1) the AR had a fabulous view of what happened. In perfect postion.

2) A foul by blue? Maybe. Misconduct by blue? Maybe.
Retaliation by white? Apparently. A stomp with the cleats? That is always Violent Conduct.

3) The AR was very quick to stop play and pour water on the fire.
He calmly communicated what he saw to the Center.
Center acted on his advice.

What more could anyone ask for????

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I think it is helpful to approach these situations with 3 questions
1) what was seen
2) what actually happened
3) what did the refs do with the information they had

1) the AR had a fabulous view of what happened. In perfect postion.

2) A foul by blue? Maybe. Misconduct by blue? Maybe.
Retaliation by white? Apparently. A stomp with the cleats? That is always Violent Conduct.

3) The AR was very quick to stop play and pour water on the fire.
He calmly communicated what he saw to the Center.
Center acted on his advice.

What more could anyone ask for????

AR was very far behind play. Not that he didn't appear to be trying. He's just old and slow. Other than that, the rest of the post is good.

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Not me. I watched several times and still not sure. Perhaps a yellow for both players might have been a better choice, but the AR may have seen more than I did.

Yellow for Blue for hard tackle with excessive force. Red Card for white. Absolutely a deliberate attempt to injure. Very clear intent with the back heel kick. See ya!!!

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Yellow for Blue for hard tackle with excessive force. Red Card for white. Absolutely a deliberate attempt to injure. Very clear intent with the back heel kick. See ya!!!

Agreed. Straightforward calls.

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Can someone post a vidoe of Cujo reffin?
Maybe Cujo would even do it himself?
Now that would be a thread I would register to post on!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2j6i...eature=related

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Yellow for Blue for hard tackle with excessive force. Red Card for white. Absolutely a deliberate attempt to injure. Very clear intent with the back heel kick. See ya!!!

"hard tackle with excessive force"
Not that I agree with you, but if that's what you saw, you must give a red. Just saying.

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"hard tackle with excessive force"
Not that I agree with you, but if that's what you saw, you must give a red. Just saying.

My bad, I should have said reckless. Borderline excessive. It could have gotten a red, but given the terrible reaction of white at that point I think it is important to distinguish between behaviors. Not sure if this was college but any league that sees this video should consider a healthy suspension against white. Related to Ms. Lambert perhaps?

I still say yellow for blue, red for white.