Originally posted by Unregistered
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Diving rarely happens with girls. 90% that I see is with boys/men. Nobody is saying dark skinned and an accent can be anything from a brogue to pig latin. Nobody is making this a racial issue but it is one of geography. I referee adult leagues with people from many different countries. Diving is more prevelant among certain European players. Dissent is greatest from Latin American players and Southern Europeans. Dirty play is more prevelant from players from the UK. These are facts gathered from doing hundreds of games. That being said I do not pre-judge anything. Every player starts off with a clean slate even if they were badly behaved in a previous game. Their actions during a game dictate how I call the game. You really have your head stuck in the sand if you think that diving at the professional level does not follow certain patterns. In terms of players that treat fellow players with the most respect and play the game the right way? I would have to say that players from Africa (Ghana etc) are by far the most enjoyable to work with. IMHO they have the greatest amount of respect for their teammates and the game itself. -
First video. Foul. Yellow card, probably red for reckless challenge with excessive force from behind. The only thing that might keep it from red is that it was not a challenge to the feet. Still a bad foul. Players prior behavior during the game would probably dictate.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Second. This is borderline. I probably would have let that one go. Player went down disproportionately easily compared to the level of contact.Comment
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great links. Good learning tools for all- refs, parents and players.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Yes. Keep them coming. Love this thread. Nothing like a video for raw footage (next to actually being there) and then learning from it. Good stuff!Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
I'd like to see some authoritative links on "the attacking player moved into the defender's outstretched leg " and hence not a PK. In the original video, it looks to me that the defender tripped (stuck his leg/foot out into the red player's running path ) the attacking player. I have seen attackers running right into a defender and obviously that would not be a PK but this is clearly not the case. It's not clear from the video whether the defender got the ball first. If he did, he tripped the attacking player before that.Comment
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Videos of matches played are not what has actually occured in real time and space, but are RECORDS of the events.
Most Americans are so fixated on video, do to massive TV watching, that they treat recorded events as the final statement.
In any event, one should never take a single clip of of a RECORD of a much longer event like a match. So much determines what a foul is in a match, depending upon many other conditions and circumstances that occur. Merely quoting LOG snippets can be dangerous, just like a little knowledge.
" Let the Children Play"Comment
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"a little knowledge"...Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
1) I as a parent and ex D1 player, learned a lot from this one thread.
2) This is not rocket science (as some refs would like us to believe)
3) Yes, we are not seeing the whole game or history but that's not the point- we are learning about the LOTG and how it's interpreted from a video. It's just a learning tool. The "conclusions" are made with the caveat that we didn't see the whole game, were not physically there etc..
Obviously there's no substitute for being there, the game conditions and atmosphere, player game behavior, and on-the-job experience.Comment
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These videos remind me of something I was told long ago, by a FIFA-badge referee:Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
"You need to stop worrying about getting everything right."
We Americans, and I am proud to be one, have a distinct bias towards lawyering.
That's just not reality when it comes to reffing a soccer game. Referee's are not there to litigate and micromanage every single challenge that is made throughout the game.
So, in the case of the first video, I am worried that the level of contact and late tackling might be breaking the game or even endangering players. That must be dealt with. What is the age-appropriate response? Impossible to say in a vacuum. But ignoring it would be wrong.
In the case of the second video, who knows? My first instinct is that it is just a no-call, given the apparent level of the players. But without seeing the play in the context of the game, it's hard to say. I seriously doubt cards would be required.Comment
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12 Step Program for Parachute Soccer Parents
1) We admitted we were powerless over what happens on the pitch —that what happens on the field is unmanageable.
2) Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3) Made a decision to turn our the outcome of the game and the season over to the care of players, coaches, and officials.
4) Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5) Admitted to our children, their coaches, and to a referee the exact nature of our wrongs.
6) Were entirely ready to have MYSA remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
7) Made a list of all people affilicated with soccer that we have harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
8) Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
9) Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
10) Sought through knowledge of the LOTG and ATR to improve our conscious contact with FIFA/USSF as we understood them,
11) Hoping only for knowledge of the inherent uncertainty of the outcome of a match and and that we are powerless to alter that outcome.
12) Having had a sportsmanship awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other soccer parents, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.Comment
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I see no foul. Kid is a klutz. Maybe soccer isn't the sport for himOriginally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Long time ref weighing in:
1) Dive
2) Foul on defender
3) no foulComment
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
1) I am good with no call
2) What about shirt pull by attacker which allowed him to get to ball before he was tripped?
3) attacker gets off shot but goalkeeper missed everything and took out attackerComment
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on #2 both players were grappling and pushing pretty much 50/50. If anything had advantage not existed the defender was probably crossing the line a little more than the forward. Could have called fouls prior to the tackle on both players but in my view calling would have been triffling and hard to determine who was more guilty than the other. Therefore, play on......Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
On #3 I view the contact between forward and GK as a collision. GK's actions were not deliberate and given that they both arrived at the ball at roughly the same time neither was guilty of an infraction in my view. I view that play as two players with roughly an equal opportunity and right to play the ball. Two players, one space, one ball and shizzle happens. Play on!!Comment
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