YOU MAKE THE CALL . . . .

On other threads througout this site there are various examples of spectators (ie. parents) disagreeing with a call or non-call made by a referee. Let's use this thread as a place to post your unbiased question about those calls and perhaps some resident experts will be kind enough to explain it to us amateurs.

I'll start - saw this one last weekend.

Shot is taken, goalie gets a glove on it and the ball ricochets off the cross bar/post and back out front, where a second forward is there and knocks it home. Goal is waved off claiming second forward was offside. How?

Re: YOU MAKE THE CALL . . . .

On other threads througout this site there are various examples of spectators (ie. parents) disagreeing with a call or non-call made by a referee. Let's use this thread as a place to post your unbiased question about those calls and perhaps some resident experts will be kind enough to explain it to us amateurs.

I'll start - saw this one last weekend.

Shot is taken, goalie gets a glove on it and the ball ricochets off the cross bar/post and back out front, where a second forward is there and knocks it home. Goal is waved off claiming second forward was offside. How?

If 2nd forward was in offsides position before shot taken, then offsides is the correct call. Offsides may not have been in effect on the shot as the 2nd forward was not in active play on shot. Once ball is at 2nd forwards feet, they are in active play and thus the offsides call. (at least this is my assumption as I do not know what position the 2nd forward was in)

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I saw the play. It was a HORRIBLE call. It also prevented the shooting team from tying the game with little to no time left.

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I recently saw this one:

Ball is played into the box and ball hits the defender in the hand and goes directly to the attacking player who charges in on net and shoots it wide. AR is ferociously waving his flag. CR consults with him and awards a goal kick much to the ire of half the parents and one of the coaches. Was he correct?

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I saw the play. It was a HORRIBLE call. It also prevented the shooting team from tying the game with little to no time left.

I bet everyone has seen this play more than once!!!

Re: YOU MAKE THE CALL . . . .

On other threads througout this site there are various examples of spectators (ie. parents) disagreeing with a call or non-call made by a referee. Let's use this thread as a place to post your unbiased question about those calls and perhaps some resident experts will be kind enough to explain it to us amateurs.

I'll start - saw this one last weekend.

Shot is taken, goalie gets a glove on it and the ball ricochets off the cross bar/post and back out front, where a second forward is there and knocks it home. Goal is waved off claiming second forward was offside. How?

If 2nd forward was in offsides position before shot taken, then offsides is the correct call. Offsides may not have been in effect on the shot as the 2nd forward was not in active play on shot. Once ball is at 2nd forwards feet, they are in active play and thus the offsides call. (at least this is my assumption as I do not know what position the 2nd forward was in)

So, the goalie touching the ball doesn't negate offsides?

Re: YOU MAKE THE CALL . . . .

On other threads througout this site there are various examples of spectators (ie. parents) disagreeing with a call or non-call made by a referee. Let's use this thread as a place to post your unbiased question about those calls and perhaps some resident experts will be kind enough to explain it to us amateurs.

I'll start - saw this one last weekend.

Shot is taken, goalie gets a glove on it and the ball ricochets off the cross bar/post and back out front, where a second forward is there and knocks it home. Goal is waved off claiming second forward was offside. How?

If 2nd forward was in offsides position before shot taken, then offsides is the correct call. Offsides may not have been in effect on the shot as the 2nd forward was not in active play on shot. Once ball is at 2nd forwards feet, they are in active play and thus the offsides call. (at least this is my assumption as I do not know what position the 2nd forward was in)

So, the goalie touching the ball doesn't negate offsides?

no, although that is a common misconception.

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I recently saw this one:

Ball is played into the box and ball hits the defender in the hand and goes directly to the attacking player who charges in on net and shoots it wide. AR is ferociously waving his flag. CR consults with him and awards a goal kick much to the ire of half the parents and one of the coaches. Was he correct?

The ball just hitting the hand itself is not a foul, a couple things had to have happened. Did the player defender actually try to play the ball with their hand, was it in a natural or unnatural position when it hit the hand, also did it give them an advantage or take advantage away from the other team. In this example, I would think that there was not advantage to defending team as the ball went to the attacking team who had an opportunity on goal and shot it wide. Again, not there to see, but that is my assumption.

[Oz9]

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In determining whether there was a handling violation, advantage is not a consideration.

[offside]

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In determining whether there was a handling violation, advantage is not a consideration.

If the ball falls to the feet of the opposing team in front of an empty net the ref is not allowed to play on?

[Oz9]

Re: YOU MAKE THE CALL . . . .

In determining whether there was a handling violation, advantage is not a consideration.

If the ball falls to the feet of the opposing team in front of an empty net the ref is not allowed to play on?

I did not phrase it correctly. I was trying to say - The fact that a player may benefit from the ball contacting the hand does not change an otherwise accidental event into an infrigment. This was in response to the prior statement that the ref needs to consider whether it gave the "offender" an advantage. You do not. However, you are correct, you would not penalize the "offended" team.

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In determining whether there was a handling violation, advantage is not a consideration.

To back that up, see link:

http://www.refblog.com/non-blog/handling_paper.pdf

And from the Soccer Dictionary:

Hand Ball * - Strangely, the term "Hand Ball" is commonly used, but is not defined in the official FIFA rules. It is a "direct kick foul" if a player (other than the goalkeeper inside his own penalty area) deliberately handles the ball (meaning to deliberately touch the ball with any part of the arm from the finger tips to the top of the shoulder). If the player handles it for the purpose of preventing an opponent from gaining possession, it is a "cautionable offense" and a yellow card should be given. If a player deliberately handles the ball to deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity (e.g., to prevent a breakaway or to deliberately stop a shot), a red card should be given and the player "sent off". However, a hand ball foul should not be called if: (1) a player is instinctively trying to protect himself from injury or (2) the player did not deliberately touch the ball but the ball hit his arm & he did not move the arm toward the ball (however, if the player's arms were in an unnatural position such as above his shoulders or sticking out to the sides, then he should be called for a handball). (See "Fouls").

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Always remember the most popular phrase in the referee handbook:

"If in the opinion of the referee . . ."

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Always remember the most popular phrase in the referee handbook:

"If in the opinion of the referee . . ."

Would you rather it say :

"If in the opinion of the parent..."

or better yet

"If in the opinion of the coach..."

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Always remember the most popular phrase in the referee handbook:

"If in the opinion of the referee . . ."

Would you rather it say :

"If in the opinion of the parent..."

or better yet

"If in the opinion of the coach..."

No what I am saying is you can beat a call the death, right or wrong, bad or good, but it will always fall to the "opinion of the referee" who may not have seen it the same way you did.