NEFC u11 coach classless

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I'm sure if you had some information regarding SSS coach it would be posted here. So you outplayed their u11 at your own tournament and won with a last minute goal. And you tied their u10s but that was not a true indication of the game. You have a very good team. You are very good at deflecting attention off your clubs shortcomings. Maybe a superior team would be able put away inferior teams like SSS

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And how has that panned out for us at the national level?

I guess you should ask those at the national level.

Seriously, it depends upon your child's desire and selection of level of involvement in the sport. Part of the unintended consequences of the huge increase in numbers of children playing the sport, compared to say 20 years ago, is that each and every partipant has an agenda.

Notice at the scholastic level, there aren't any National Champions in soccer, or even Regional Champions. The competetion is limited to State Champions. When parents created their own environment, and later the enabler sof their desires formed their business models, they brought along their own agendas.

Youth Soccer for children should be no different from any other childhood experience. It should be, in the best of worlds, a training ground to develop the skills and stategies for a future adult life. Their should be joy in the participation,not added anxiety by constant pressure of an adult stressed agenda and environment. More and more competetion at younger and younger ages, with more and more investment in time and money, will not guaranteee that the lessons needed wil be learned. And that's the irony. Parents who broke off rom the scholastic model originally seeking a better result for their children , created the monster that we habve today. Certianly,all is not lost. There are still many beneficial aspects of the present environmant, the key is how to fit into the present scenario most comfortably.

I have posted before , that my personal belief is that the goal of organized youth sports, among others of course, is to " teach cooperative skills within a competitive context involving a focus on personal development rather than performance "
That's one of the goals I have tried to achieve as a parent, and a coach. That task has become more difficult , as parents increase their participation and focus, and demands.

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I guess you should ask those at the national level.

Seriously, it depends upon your child's desire and selection of level of involvement in the sport. Part of the unintended consequences of the huge increase in numbers of children playing the sport, compared to say 20 years ago, is that each and every partipant has an agenda.

Notice at the scholastic level, there aren't any National Champions in soccer, or even Regional Champions. The competetion is limited to State Champions. When parents created their own environment, and later the enabler sof their desires formed their business models, they brought along their own agendas.

Youth Soccer for children should be no different from any other childhood experience. It should be, in the best of worlds, a training ground to develop the skills and stategies for a future adult life. Their should be joy in the participation,not added anxiety by constant pressure of an adult stressed agenda and environment. More and more competetion at younger and younger ages, with more and more investment in time and money, will not guaranteee that the lessons needed wil be learned. And that's the irony. Parents who broke off rom the scholastic model originally seeking a better result for their children , created the monster that we habve today. Certianly,all is not lost. There are still many beneficial aspects of the present environmant, the key is how to fit into the present scenario most comfortably.

I have posted before , that my personal belief is that the goal of organized youth sports, among others of course, is to " teach cooperative skills within a competitive context involving a focus on personal development rather than performance "
That's one of the goals I have tried to achieve as a parent, and a coach. That task has become more difficult , as parents increase their participation and focus, and demands.

See, we do agree. I think we just had a bit of miscommunication. I agree with your last paragraph on. My whole point is we created this enviroment and how can we just always heap blame on the official? We can't!!!

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I'm sorry, but why are you as parents paying ridiculous amounts of money to these clubs to get refs who are "in training?" You can get that in your "in-town" games. I expected the refs to know the rules and make the calls in these so-called "premier" leagues. Their #1 job should be to keep these kids safe. And yes we are talking about 9, 10, 11 year old KIDS - all the more reason to have someone out there on the field who is going to make a call and make the right one. The coaches (for the most part) don't seem to get involved with bad calls because they don't want to influence the game. This is one reason I took my youngest out of the club atmosphere. And I can see things haven't gotten any better by reading these posts. When your kid comes off the field hurt and no call is made, maybe then you'll all realize how studid you all sound arguing about a win or loss. The refs should be adults who know the rules and aren't afraid of being yelled at (if it comes to that) by a parent or a coach.

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See, we do agree. I think we just had a bit of miscommunication. I agree with your last paragraph on. My whole point is we created this enviroment and how can we just always heap blame on the official? We can't!!!

Yes, we are in agreement. The goals for the Referee , as a child participant, if applicable, should be the same as the players. Personal development rather than performance.

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I will agree the parents have transferred the Club experience into something that is out of control. We have placed success on children at a very young age. Parents associate winning with player development and this is so far from the truth that it almost ridiculous. Clubs have been able to hit pay dirt on this frenzy and most parents are blind to what the club is selling, false hopes unless you are one of the top 2 or 3 players. Everybody else is just money in their pockets, especially 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th teams like some clubs. I do not understand why we feel we need to join club soccer at such a young age. I have stated in other sites that I waited until U14 to have my daughter play club soccer due to our town program being very strong and had a good enough coach to develop her effectively. She was sought out by all the top clubs but we decided to wait until it really matter. She is now going to a D1 college program. It is not always the coach that makes your daughters or sons better but your kids desire to get better. My daughter trained on her own, with me or with friends 5 to 6 days a week for at least 1 hour. The problem with todays kids, they are not self motivated to do this and need parents to organize their activities. I hope the coaches, referee, parents and players all learned a valuable lesson from this incident.

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I'm sorry, but why are you as parents paying ridiculous amounts of money to these clubs to get refs who are "in training?" You can get that in your "in-town" games. I expected the refs to know the rules and make the calls in these so-called "premier" leagues. Their #1 job should be to keep these kids safe. And yes we are talking about 9, 10, 11 year old KIDS - all the more reason to have someone out there on the field who is going to make a call and make the right one. The coaches (for the most part) don't seem to get involved with bad calls because they don't want to influence the game. This is one reason I took my youngest out of the club atmosphere. And I can see things haven't gotten any better by reading these posts. When your kid comes off the field hurt and no call is made, maybe then you'll all realize how studid you all sound arguing about a win or loss. The refs should be adults who know the rules and aren't afraid of being yelled at (if it comes to that) by a parent or a coach.

Spare me with the injury factor. The same thing can happen in any damm game no matter the level. You probably scream at the ref at a U6 game.

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I'm sorry, but why are you as parents paying ridiculous amounts of money to these clubs to get refs who are "in training?" You can get that in your "in-town" games. I expected the refs to know the rules and make the calls in these so-called "premier" leagues. Their #1 job should be to keep these kids safe. And yes we are talking about 9, 10, 11 year old KIDS - all the more reason to have someone out there on the field who is going to make a call and make the right one. The coaches (for the most part) don't seem to get involved with bad calls because they don't want to influence the game. This is one reason I took my youngest out of the club atmosphere. And I can see things haven't gotten any better by reading these posts. When your kid comes off the field hurt and no call is made, maybe then you'll all realize how studid you all sound arguing about a win or loss. The refs should be adults who know the rules and aren't afraid of being yelled at (if it comes to that) by a parent or a coach.

Injuries are regrettable , but nearly unavoidable in a contact sport. The Referee is just out there to maange the activity. The main reason for injury is careless and/or reckless play. That behaviour is more a consequence of the environment of parents lining the sedelines, screaming for victory. If adults were assigned to 9, 10 and 11 year old games,who do yuo suppose should Referee the older ages? There aren't enough adult REferees around. maybe you shoudl take the course, and throw yuor hat in the ring.

Maybe you didn't realize it, but pre -academy and Academy games are officiated by Referees " in training ". Yes, they may have been selected because of their desire to grow, and their potential to be good Referees, but they make mistakes also. Theoretically, every endeavor is a constant quest for perfection perhaps never to be reached, each and every expereince is " training " for the next acheivable goal.

It is perhaps infortunate that you took your child out of the program, for this and " other reasons", so perhaps it wasn't really the right environent for your youngest child.

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I made the statement you replied to and I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying. We, as adults, are paying thousands of dollars to pay for a club who pays this guys salary whose job, whether you want to believe it or not, will be based on wins and losses because when the kids are not winning, the parents get upset as to why they are not winning. I don't blame the official at all. I blame us as adults buying into this whole mockery of a "PREMIER" league for 5th graders. We created this league and live vicariously through our children. How else do you explain it? We as adults set this all up. My point is, how can the official grow and learn? They can't!!!!!!! Why? Because we have set up a system where it is all about the results (promotion/relegation........or in the eyes of clubs more importantly FINANCIAL......which goes back to wins and losses). Whether you like it or not, that is what parents look at. How can an official succeed and get better? They can't because of what we set up as a system. Talk to some of your higher level officials (not many if any at all in the youth ranks). They will tell you the same thing.

The problem lies with the leagues relegating teams out of existence during their developmental period. This is the inherent flaw of MAPLE. Teams are relegated on the narrowest of margins in D and yet in 1 and 2 teams and clubs can lock onto spots or remain unrelegated by the narrowest of margins. If MAPLe were not so rigid in the number of spots and deferred relegation for a year the problem would be solved. Rigid thinking produces undesirable results.

But trust me it is no better in the adult leagues - I can't tell you the number of times adults complain about getting carded for a reckless challenge. I don't have enough fingers to count the number of times somebody has said to me "I paid good money to play in this league - YOU can't card me". There is this feeling that paying to play sports is a carte blanche entitlement. Entitlement for the coaches to behave like primates, for parents to act like children, and for everybody to point fingers at somebody else when the desired results are not achieved. I must say that my experience in NH is much better than it was in MA. The parents are a lot more relaxed as are most of the coaches. The club coaches in particular seem to understand that U14 and below are development years and they really focus on developing players and teams and not won-lost records.

- Cujo

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I will agree the parents have transferred the Club experience into something that is out of control. We have placed success on children at a very young age. Parents associate winning with player development and this is so far from the truth that it almost ridiculous. Clubs have been able to hit pay dirt on this frenzy and most parents are blind to what the club is selling, false hopes unless you are one of the top 2 or 3 players. Everybody else is just money in their pockets, especially 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th teams like some clubs. I do not understand why we feel we need to join club soccer at such a young age. I have stated in other sites that I waited until U14 to have my daughter play club soccer due to our town program being very strong and had a good enough coach to develop her effectively. She was sought out by all the top clubs but we decided to wait until it really matter. She is now going to a D1 college program. It is not always the coach that makes your daughters or sons better but your kids desire to get better. My daughter trained on her own, with me or with friends 5 to 6 days a week for at least 1 hour. The problem with todays kids, they are not self motivated to do this and need parents to organize their activities. I hope the coaches, referee, parents and players all learned a valuable lesson from this incident.

Parents and coaches have a role in player injuries. As an official I manage the game within the LOTG. I have asked this question many times. What have you as a parent or coach done to control your players. You have more control over them than I do. If a player has lost control of their emotions do you substitute for them until they get control of themselves or do you tell them to "get back" at somebody. Do you as a parent talk to your kid if they get a yellow or red card and help them understand sportsmanship. If I am giving out reds and yellows in a U11 game the problem is not with the officials folks. Rather it is time to for you look in the mirror.

- Cujo

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The problem lies with the leagues relegating teams out of existence during their developmental period. This is the inherent flaw of MAPLE. Teams are relegated on the narrowest of margins in D and yet in 1 and 2 teams and clubs can lock onto spots or remain unrelegated by the narrowest of margins. If MAPLe were not so rigid in the number of spots and deferred relegation for a year the problem would be solved. Rigid thinking produces undesirable results.

But trust me it is no better in the adult leagues - I can't tell you the number of times adults complain about getting carded for a reckless challenge. I don't have enough fingers to count the number of times somebody has said to me "I paid good money to play in this league - YOU can't card me". There is this feeling that paying to play sports is a carte blanche entitlement. Entitlement for the coaches to behave like primates, for parents to act like children, and for everybody to point fingers at somebody else when the desired results are not achieved. I must say that my experience in NH is much better than it was in MA. The parents are a lot more relaxed as are most of the coaches. The club coaches in particular seem to understand that U14 and below are development years and they really focus on developing players and teams and not won-lost records.

- Cujo

Comparing an adult league game to a youth league game is comparing apples to oranges.

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I will agree the parents have transferred the Club experience into something that is out of control. We have placed success on children at a very young age. Parents associate winning with player development and this is so far from the truth that it almost ridiculous. Clubs have been able to hit pay dirt on this frenzy and most parents are blind to what the club is selling, false hopes unless you are one of the top 2 or 3 players. Everybody else is just money in their pockets, especially 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th teams like some clubs. I do not understand why we feel we need to join club soccer at such a young age. I have stated in other sites that I waited until U14 to have my daughter play club soccer due to our town program being very strong and had a good enough coach to develop her effectively. She was sought out by all the top clubs but we decided to wait until it really matter. She is now going to a D1 college program. It is not always the coach that makes your daughters or sons better but your kids desire to get better. My daughter trained on her own, with me or with friends 5 to 6 days a week for at least 1 hour. The problem with todays kids, they are not self motivated to do this and need parents to organize their activities. I hope the coaches, referee, parents and players all learned a valuable lesson from this incident.

Must be your first time posting on here because you my friend are so spot on. You are a wise man or woman.

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Ask your superior U11 girls coach (who are playing U12) about NEFC's long ball tactics. SSS got absolutely played off the field by NB's team at the NEFC tournament and the score nowhere reflected the dominance of NEFC.

Also, I'd love for one of you SSS parents to come on here and explain how your sweet innocent coach LL got tossed for her inappropriate behavior. The silence is deafening on this one.

SSS was able to stay in the game because the field was so small and there was no room to do anything. In saying that, SSS had three shots the entire game, while NEFC hit the post multiple times, missed several open goals and your keeper made some awesome saves. Enough said! Move on. You have a talented U10 team. Be happy for them and stop being so angry. It's U11 girls, not professional.

Hit Posts WOW... if we were playing horse shoes !!!

Missed OPEN Goals shots.. Maybe an indication on lack of Technical training..
SSS only three shots, either SSS has a great striker or NEFC keeper is weak
SSS field is small... They clog up the field too...
NEFC won on a bigger field points to above statement being correct,
Kick ball hard, need big field to chase it down..
SSS teams is talented agreed by all

It was a tie, and know the people on the outside think NB team will at best be 5th in the state at Andre Cup.. That gonna hurt the NEFC Marketing campaign on TS

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Ask your superior U11 girls coach (who are playing U12) about NEFC's long ball tactics. SSS got absolutely played off the field by NB's team at the NEFC tournament and the score nowhere reflected the dominance of NEFC.

Also, I'd love for one of you SSS parents to come on here and explain how your sweet innocent coach LL got tossed for her inappropriate behavior. The silence is deafening on this one.

SSS was able to stay in the game because the field was so small and there was no room to do anything. In saying that, SSS had three shots the entire game, while NEFC hit the post multiple times, missed several open goals and your keeper made some awesome saves. Enough said! Move on. You have a talented U10 team. Be happy for them and stop being so angry. It's U11 girls, not professional.

OK, I'll bite. When did the U10 SSS coach get tossed? Really, Have not heard this before.

Also, who cares about pre-season tournament play. Most of the teams had players missing. WU, Stars had a bunch missing and heard that select had 4 or 5 missing. Everyone needs to relax !

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Must be your first time posting on here because you my friend are so spot on. You are a wise man or woman.

I did the same thing until U13. Mine is headed to D1 college next fall. What these young kids need is good coaching and reasonably good competition, not time spent in a car or airplane. I wager the high intensity of competitive soccer at too early an age is also partially to blame for what continues to hold the US back. Kids (with but a few exceptions) never really master their skills since they are always fighting just to survive.