Disney Showcase

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At some point someone will do a summary of rankings of all the ECNL teams and put reality out there for all to see.

In the meantime, your statements are quite inaccurate. Clubs were absolutely not chosen based on the collective ranking of their teams accross all three ages. They were chosen based on a collective desire to freeze out competition in specific markets and/or due to political power. When you look at certain clubs that were chosen you will see no team within their club even in the top 100 ranking at any age.

And yes, college coaches will come to look at specific players who have contacted them at a tournament they are at regardless of whether their club is well known or has a great reputation, provided they are competing at a high enough level to warrany a look. Stated alternatively, if a kid's club is good enough to be competing at a Disney Showcase a college coach will come to watch them play.

Funny, I never said that they were "chosen based on the collective ranking of their teams accross all three ages."... plain and simple.. I didn't say it. I only pointed out that a team can't join if they don't have a team to field at all 3 levels. Never even touched the actual process of joining and would never want to. Only mentioned that if a club has a great team at one age group, but not at the others, they can't participate... even if that team is #1 in the country. Don't fire back based on twisting my words....

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Funny, I never said that they were "chosen based on the collective ranking of their teams accross all three ages."... plain and simple.. I didn't say it. I only pointed out that a team can't join if they don't have a team to field at all 3 levels. Never even touched the actual process of joining and would never want to. Only mentioned that if a club has a great team at one age group, but not at the others, they can't participate... even if that team is #1 in the country. Don't fire back based on twisting my words....

Actually now you are twisting the statement to be something other than what you meant at the tme to soften it. And your second defense is wrong as several clubs that were founding members actually did have only one good team and had one or two very bad teams.

Either way you want to continue, it is what it is.

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Actually now you are twisting the statement to be something other than what you meant at the tme to soften it. And your second defense is wrong as several clubs that were founding members actually did have only one good team and had one or two very bad teams.

Either way you want to continue, it is what it is.

Well, it is apparent to me now that choosing to discuss anything on these boards is fruitless. Many of the visitors are clearly here with their own preconceived hatred of certain clubs, certain leagues and certain towns. People read tones of voice into written words and come with a chip on their shoulder that makes them think someone is always putting them down. Just incredible. I am not defending ECNL... quite honestly, don't care... not involved in it. Was just curious about it and did some homework on it. I actually think it kinda stinks that a team could be #1 in the country at U15 but if their club doesn't have a U17 team, for whatever reason, they can't join if they wanted to.

My words, exactly, were "The ECNL requires that clubs be of a high enough level across all 3 age groups... they must be able to field teams at U15, U16 and U17 at that level." I didn't quantify what that level was... don't know what that level is... ECNL evidently has 2 levels so I guess they just have to be able to play in the second level. Right? ok... so I don't think I said they had to be a top 100 team or anything else specific.

You all need to read what people write, without assuming the worst in them. Assume that they chose their words intentionally. Maybe then you could stop bashing each other and just have some great conversations... even when you don't agree.

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Well, it is apparent to me now that choosing to discuss anything on these boards is fruitless. Many of the visitors are clearly here with their own preconceived hatred of certain clubs, certain leagues and certain towns. People read tones of voice into written words and come with a chip on their shoulder that makes them think someone is always putting them down. Just incredible. I am not defending ECNL... quite honestly, don't care... not involved in it. Was just curious about it and did some homework on it. I actually think it kinda stinks that a team could be #1 in the country at U15 but if their club doesn't have a U17 team, for whatever reason, they can't join if they wanted to.

My words, exactly, were "The ECNL requires that clubs be of a high enough level across all 3 age groups... they must be able to field teams at U15, U16 and U17 at that level." I didn't quantify what that level was... don't know what that level is... ECNL evidently has 2 levels so I guess they just have to be able to play in the second level. Right? ok... so I don't think I said they had to be a top 100 team or anything else specific.

You all need to read what people write, without assuming the worst in them. Assume that they chose their words intentionally. Maybe then you could stop bashing each other and just have some great conversations... even when you don't agree.

Here are some numbers I do know:

There are 52 teams in the ECNL and of those, there are 14 in the top 25 GS rankings
and there are 7 in the second 25.

Last year Stars, PDA, Casl, and Solar all did go to Disney as did NSA and Texans----not this year!!!

The quality is way the f*&% down, be serious.

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All I can say is I am so glad my daughter is done with club soccer! She is playing D3, loves it, and doing well academically at the school of her choice. You guys are nuts!!!! Is soccer really that important?

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All I can say is I am so glad my daughter is done with club soccer! She is playing D3, loves it, and doing well academically at the school of her choice. You guys are nuts!!!! Is soccer really that important?

Just to the nuts riding high on their daughter's glory.

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Here are some numbers I do know:

There are 52 teams in the ECNL and of those, there are 14 in the top 25 GS rankings
and there are 7 in the second 25.

Last year Stars, PDA, Casl, and Solar all did go to Disney as did NSA and Texans----not this year!!!

The quality is way the f*&% down, be serious.

So, somehow this is not bashing?

Disney is not an ECNL tournament, so how is the quality down in the tournament when the ECNL teams are not there? The rest of the teams this year are better than the rest of the teams that were there last year. Compare apples to apples and the competition is better. Compare apples to grapefruits and it matters not one bit. The ECNL teams did not play against the non ECNL teams until the final so whether they are there or not has no impact to the teams that are there. Make sense to you?

Using your calculations, 11 of the top 25 are not in ECNL and 18 of the next 25 are not in the ECNL, so the majority of the top 50 (29) are not in the ECNL. Interesting point. Not sure it means anything, but an interesting point.

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Yeah, but the ECNL and non-ECNL met in the finals. This opportunity is now lost. Disney, and both sets of teams lose out. Anyone know the results of these crossover games? Did ECNL dominate as the Stars/ Scorp supporters would have us believe?

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same game different title

How obsessed are parents with 'what the other one has' such that they have this repetitive argument regardless of the original thread? Or was the thread meant to rehash this argument? Those that are in the ECNL feel superior to those not in the ECNL. We actually don't know what the non-ECNL parents think since I believe that these sites are dominated by ECNL parents who need to strut their massive egos on these sites. It is no different with the DAP for boys. Those that are in feel that they have the upper hand on level of play, college recruitment, and chances (as rare as they are) professional opportunities.

Neither the ECNL or DAP can claim to possess all the best teams at all age group levels. To join either indicates that the club as a whole has entered a number of teams on a minimum of levels. Although each accepted club must have demonstrated a successful program in the past, it does not mean that the Stars U15 Girls team is better than a non-clubs U15 team. The DAP does not guarantee that the preAcademy teams are better than some non-DAP teams of the same age. The only thing that these self-congratulating societies can guarantee is a minimum level of coaching (licenses) and a minimum level of participation. Below is the mission statements of the ECNL.


Each of the 52 member clubs in 2010-11 will have a team in the U-15 through U-17 age groups, while 50 teams will compete in the U-18 age group. In total, each team in the U-15 through U-17 age groups will play 13 regular-season games and three postseason games, and each team in the U-18 age group will play 10 regular-season games with the top eight teams advancing to the ECNL National Championship.
The Elite Clubs National League, Inc. (“ECNL”) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit member-based organization founded in 2009 to enhance the developmental experience of the female youth soccer players in the United States through: (i) improving the competitive environment through creation of a true nationally-based competitive league with multiple flights; (ii) improving the process for identifying elite female soccer players for the U.S. Soccer youth national teams through a systematic scouting and identification program based on national competition; and (iii) improving the daily training environment at female youth soccer clubs through developing best practices and training and organizational guidelines for its member clubs. (of course these guidelines are not listed on the website)
Application Review Process

All applications will be reviewed by a committee selected by the ECNL Board of Directors based on the following criteria:

1. Club’s Player Development Guidelines
2. Club’s History of Youth Player Development
3. Club’s History of Success in Elite Competitions, Tournaments and Leagues
4. Club’s Technical Staff

All this does is tries to arrogantly say that they are forming an Elite league....the only one of its kind in the US to be able to truly identify the best of the best of the best. A requirement is that these 'selected' clubs must play in a minimum number of isolated ECNL tournaments during the year.

What the ECNL and DAP do is to form yet another business entity for which the monies of the clubs can be funneled and controlled on a smaller.....more 'elite'....level than the also currently corrupt state and club system.

THERE IS NOTHING TO SAY THAT THE DISNEY TOURNAMENT....OR ANY SUCH LIKE TOURNAMENT WON'T BE A VERY COMPETITIVE TOURNAMENT.