2011 Boys Soccer Verbal Commitments

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I don't see that I see kids that did not evern play club playing. If you were in DAP and went to prep school you play but then again you are a 19 or 20 yo freshman

How many kids that played DAP are not even playing?

What are you talking about? Unless you are a Post Grad, the kids in prep school are the same age as those in public school. And even then, some public school kids are the age of PG's. Also, I know that South Kent and a few others are loaded with foreign super stars, but I can tell you that the PG's that went to my son's school really didn't make much of a difference. Some were OK, but you really didn't have anyone that did any better than anyone else on the field. I think there is too much generalizing about prep school.

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Hey DAP guy, DAP players aren't even supposed to be playing in college. DAP is better than that, remember, and certainly better than D3 college soccer. Now shut up. And make sure you tell those DAP players to get up off the bench and cheer for their non-DAP teammates who are out on the field playing.

That's IF you are basing going to college to play soccer. Now if you chose your college based on getting the best education you could, you wind up playing at the school you are at. If it D3, so be it.

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That's IF you are basing going to college to play soccer. Now if you chose your college based on getting the best education you could, you wind up playing at the school you are at. If it D3, so be it.

And in THOSE cases there is no good reason to play DAP. You just laid it all out so I won't bother repeating your own very fine argument.

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What are you talking about? Unless you are a Post Grad, the kids in prep school are the same age as those in public school. And even then, some public school kids are the age of PG's. Also, I know that South Kent and a few others are loaded with foreign super stars, but I can tell you that the PG's that went to my son's school really didn't make much of a difference. Some were OK, but you really didn't have anyone that did any better than anyone else on the field. I think there is too much generalizing about prep school.

No, and even then some of the prep school kids are the same age of PGs because they repeated a grade when they switched from public to prep. Same type of kids who have been on about 6 different club teams. All chasing some illusory soccer dream but unfortunately they still are only as good as they are.

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And in THOSE cases there is no good reason to play DAP. You just laid it all out so I won't bother repeating your own very fine argument.

My son didn't play DAP to get into college although most coaches he spoke to had already seen him play in a couple of DAP games. He played DAP because he wanted to and he kept his soccer at a pretty high level. And I didn't say he didn't get into Div 1 schools, did I? It's so hard for either side on this DAP/NON-DAP issue to see that there is some validity to both. Whatever works for you and your son. Worry about your own house.

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BTW, DAP guy, would even you admit that DAP, PLUS an extra prep year or PG/gap year, is a little much just to increase the odds of playing D3 college soccer? And while you're at it, can you admit it's not all about suddenly switching gears and going D3 because education is more important but rather that the D3 level of soccer is where they actually fit for soccer (and where they also can happen to get a good prestigious education that parallels the same prestige-hunting instincts that led to seeking out DAP in the first place)? Just come clean and we can all move on.

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My son didn't play DAP to get into college although most coaches he spoke to had already seen him play in a couple of DAP games. He played DAP because he wanted to and he kept his soccer at a pretty high level. And I didn't say he didn't get into Div 1 schools, did I? It's so hard for either side on this DAP/NON-DAP issue to see that there is some validity to both. Whatever works for you and your son. Worry about your own house.

That's fine, but certainly there wasn't a compelling reason to do so. If you're not playing DAP with even a fake intent of paralleling the DAP mission, then you're just a tag-along benefiting where you truly didn't belong. Everyone does worry about their own house, btw. What they don't like is guys like you coming on here and making claims about what works best to become an impact player, especially at the D3 level. That is just as bad, and destructive, as the folks who make it sound like so many kids are really top D1 material when they aren't.

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Clear based on what????

Just to give two of MANY non-DAP examples.....KO from Wellesley and Conn College has to be in the running for NESCAC ROY and started almost all games and scored a ton of goals...BB from Winchester and Wesleyan also was a NESCAC frosh stud starting almost all games as a defender. There certainly are enough examples to demonstrate beyond any shadow of doubt that DAP is not necessary to be a starter and impact player as a freshmen.

And before you come back and cite your players make sure you note which ones were 2010s. The extra year helps and of course non-DAP kids could take advantage of that option if they choose to do so and have the means.

A little defensive? The post you replied to said if you were in DAP, your chances of playing were "better". That is clearly the case, based on the evidence. The post didn't say that onlt DAP players play as freshmen. It would be helpful if your anti DAP emotions didn't get the better of you and cloud your reading comprehension.

Once again, I don't see where the majority of the pro DAP people posting here are claiming that it's the only path to a good college or contributing significantly to your college team as a freshman. It's clear that there are some good players that don't play DAP, and are admitted to fine schools and play as freshmen.

But you seem to get all defensive and go off the deep end everytime someone shows that DAP players have a wider exposure to a greater number of better schools. You seem to take that as an insult to non DAP players. It isn't. No one is trashing your kid by talking about the positives of teh DAP program, so you sgould stop taking it that way.

Remember that DAP represents the smaller number of players in terms of league representation, yet seems to have a greater number of participating atthese schools as freshmen.

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BTW, DAP guy, would even you admit that DAP, PLUS an extra prep year or PG/gap year, is a little much just to increase the odds of playing D3 college soccer? And while you're at it, can you admit it's not all about suddenly switching gears and going D3 because education is more important but rather that the D3 level of soccer is where they actually fit for soccer (and where they also can happen to get a good prestigious education that parallels the same prestige-hunting instincts that led to seeking out DAP in the first place)? Just come clean and we can all move on.

Well, Anti-DAP person, kids don't go to private school and request to repeat a grade. They do so because the public school systems they came from are at a level that is not at the same level as the correspondnig provate school grade.

Your hatred for DAP, private schools, and prestigious colleges is really tiresome. Obviously, you're not happy with your son who isn't playing on a DAP with the better players, is in a sub-par school system and can't get into a private school, and is destined to attend a poor insitution of higher learning. You can't just be proud of what your kid does, you have to go on an unhealthy crusade about what others are doing. If you're that unhappy, just slit your wrists and end it.

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A little defensive? The post you replied to said if you were in DAP, your chances of playing were "better". That is clearly the case, based on the evidence. The post didn't say that onlt DAP players play as freshmen. It would be helpful if your anti DAP emotions didn't get the better of you and cloud your reading comprehension.

Once again, I don't see where the majority of the pro DAP people posting here are claiming that it's the only path to a good college or contributing significantly to your college team as a freshman. It's clear that there are some good players that don't play DAP, and are admitted to fine schools and play as freshmen.

But you seem to get all defensive and go off the deep end everytime someone shows that DAP players have a wider exposure to a greater number of better schools. You seem to take that as an insult to non DAP players. It isn't. No one is trashing your kid by talking about the positives of teh DAP program, so you sgould stop taking it that way.

Remember that DAP represents the smaller number of players in terms of league representation, yet seems to have a greater number of participating atthese schools as freshmen.

The only true thing you said above is "wider exposure," and there is little evidence, in Mass, that this translates. So they get more emails from coaches? So what? You only get to go to one school and the evidence is actually in the other direction for non-DAP, at least for D3. You do not have evidence of more players from DAP playing. Just isn't there.

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Well, Anti-DAP person, kids don't go to private school and request to repeat a grade. They do so because the public school systems they came from are at a level that is not at the same level as the correspondnig provate school grade.

Your hatred for DAP, private schools, and prestigious colleges is really tiresome. Obviously, you're not happy with your son who isn't playing on a DAP with the better players, is in a sub-par school system and can't get into a private school, and is destined to attend a poor insitution of higher learning. You can't just be proud of what your kid does, you have to go on an unhealthy crusade about what others are doing. If you're that unhappy, just slit your wrists and end it.

So, you just couldn't come clean. My kid did fine without DAP and any extra years or private schools or 3 initial names. He's playing at a very elite, prestigious college. No worries.

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The only true thing you said above is "wider exposure," and there is little evidence, in Mass, that this translates. So they get more emails from coaches? So what? You only get to go to one school and the evidence is actually in the other direction for non-DAP, at least for D3. You do not have evidence of more players from DAP playing. Just isn't there.

If I am understanding the poster, this is what he is saying. If there are 10 DAP players and all 10 are starting and contributing....that is 100%. Since there are more Non-DAP's than DAP's .... let's say there are 40 non-DAP's and 20 of them are starting. 50% . You are trying to say that there are twice as many non-DAP than DAP. That's true, because there are more players to begin with, but only half are playing/ starting. I am only translating, I think. Don't get caught up with the numbers...they are fiction.

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If I am understanding the poster, this is what he is saying. If there are 10 DAP players and all 10 are starting and contributing....that is 100%. Since there are more Non-DAP's than DAP's .... let's say there are 40 non-DAP's and 20 of them are starting. 50% . You are trying to say that there are twice as many non-DAP than DAP. That's true, because there are more players to begin with, but only half are playing/ starting. I am only translating, I think. Don't get caught up with the numbers...they are fiction.

First of all, I apologize for the initials name thing. That was inappropriate.

All DAP players aren't starting or playing a lot. And some aren't playing anywhere. Given the pool DAP has we should expect a high number on a % basis. I get your point but all club players aren't looking to play in college, so its not about just the % of players. The question is whether non-DAP routes can be just as effective as a path. The answer is yes. I tire of hearing about using DAP for unintended purposes and then claims that distort the truth for those out there worrying about what to do themselves and what is real.

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First of all, I apologize for the initials name thing. That was inappropriate.

All DAP players aren't starting or playing a lot. And some aren't playing anywhere. Given the pool DAP has we should expect a high number on a % basis. I get your point but all club players aren't looking to play in college, so its not about just the % of players. The question is whether non-DAP routes can be just as effective as a path. The answer is yes. I tire of hearing about using DAP for unintended purposes and then claims that distort the truth for those out there worrying about what to do themselves and what is real.

And the point that keeps being made is that the non-DAP path is NOT as an effective. This statement is not based on historical data or anecdotes, but on logic. If you play DAP, you get exposed to more coaches more often who get to see you in an environment of good players and good competition. Period. End of story. It is not the only path, but one of the main keys to success is exposure to coaches. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

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And the point that keeps being made is that the non-DAP path is NOT as an effective. This statement is not based on historical data or anecdotes, but on logic. If you play DAP, you get exposed to more coaches more often who get to see you in an environment of good players and good competition. Period. End of story. It is not the only path, but one of the main keys to success is exposure to coaches. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

We just don't agree. Exposure is overrated and that's not the best way IMHO to get recruited especially at the D3 level. If my kid identifies Bowdoin and Colby as targets there are much more effective ways to pursue that. The non-DAP route produced far more D3 players at good schools. The raw number argument you all make isn't that compelling. Most of those kids came from a small number of non-DAP clubs and not all players on these clubs are seeking college soccer. There are 2 DAP teams and 4 if you count Seacoast and Oakwood. Not only is non-DAP as effective or more so, it is also the more appropriate path in terms of fit with mission. So yes, end of story.