2011 Boys Soccer Verbal Commitments

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If you goal is to be a bitter moron, congratulations! You have achieved your goal.

DAP is a national program. Not a local one. What the Bolts and Revs do aren't different from what the Nomads or LA Galaxy do. It's not MAPLE vs CASL. You want to separate it because it gives you an opportunity to bash the Bolts. Don't you think it's time to get over it and let it go? What did they do to you, or the team your kid played on? Your petty bitterness oozes out of your second paragraph. If all it takes to irritate you to the point of negative posting on an internet forum is a club crowing about its accomplishments, then you must carry the same bitter hatred for all clubs in this state, and most clubs across the country. Even your kid's club has done it. It's a recruiting tool used to attract kids to the clubs.

I laugh at this premise that the Bolts, or any club, can't change. DAP comes along, they like the philosophy, they get involved, then that mentality changes the entire culture of the club to be focused on development. How is that a negative? You are totally disingenuous when you bash the Bolts for crowing about their winning accomplishments, then bash them for being part of a developmentally oriented program and filtering that mentality down to lower age groups.

The 2010 list was used as an example because it is complete, and you can match the commitment list to the actual college rosters to confirm that the kids were, in fact, recruited to play at these schools. Of course you don't like that list because it refutes your arguments, but that 2010 list is definitive proof of who is playing where. At this time next year, we can evaluate the 2011's as a whole. But right now, the 2011 information is still incomplete and sketchy. Sure, it gives you fodder for your DAP/Bolts bashing now, but I believe that when all the 2011 recruits can be substantiated, you will see similar DAP to non DAP numbers. And yes, the differences pointed out in the 2010 list are substantial.

You fall into the same uninformed trap as many others on this board: that D1 schools are the be all - end all goal of any student athlete. This is such a naive and cynical point of view. There are dozens of factors that go onto a student (and their family's) decision about where to go to school, and every one of those decisions are made for a variety of personal reasons that no one (least of all you) have any right to critisize. Many of the D3 schools are harder to get into academically than D1 schools, and many top D3 programs are recruiting D1 quality soccer players. Your insinuation that your are disappointed at the few number of players going to D1 schools and how that somehow shines a poor light on this area, the players, and the clubs is the height of ignorance.

I'm hoping there are enough smart and open-minded people reading this forum to see your rants for what they are: the bitter and personal bashing of a program because of a club that either cut your kid from a team, didn't pick him at a tryout, or routinely beat your kid's team. Or, likely, some combination of those. You feel left out, and your lashing out is nothing more than justification for having a kid in a program you feel (deep down) is inferior. Your kid was always part of the best at the younger age groups, and it tears you apart that he isn't involved at the highest levels anymore. You are more about the prestige than the substance, hence your bitterness at not being at the highest level and your focus on D1 schools. If there's any elitism going on, it's from you because if you're not part of it, then it can't possibly be worthwhile. Well, it's not about you. I thought you would have learned that by now.

Your arrogance is apparently boundless, only matched by your capacity to distort.

You all change the goal posts every time a post is made. I've got no issue with D3 choices. You suggested the proof is in D1 so asked for 2011 data, from MA since this is a MA forum and we're most interested in D1. I've agreed about all the advantages of DAP. I've challenged the extent of the difference in terms of playing college soccer, and if we're now focusing on D3 I feel the data are compelling.

I only mentioned Bolts history of highlighting MAPLE and state cup achievements because you struck out and suggested all that was a foreign world to you. My kid nor I have any negative history with the Bolts nor has he ever tried out for DAP. He will likely be accepted and able to play at several NESCAC schools as well as a number of other schools around the country.

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Your arrogance is apparently boundless, only matched by your capacity to distort.

You all change the goal posts every time a post is made. I've got no issue with D3 choices. You suggested the proof is in D1 so asked for 2011 data, from MA since this is a MA forum and we're most interested in D1. I've agreed about all the advantages of DAP. I've challenged the extent of the difference in terms of playing college soccer, and if we're now focusing on D3 I feel the data are compelling.

I only mentioned Bolts history of highlighting MAPLE and state cup achievements because you struck out and suggested all that was a foreign world to you. My kid nor I have any negative history with the Bolts nor has he ever tried out for DAP. He will likely be accepted and able to play at several NESCAC schools as well as a number of other schools around the country.

It doesn't matter how many times it's posted, you still can't comprehend the fact that there it's too early to evaluate 2011 recruits. You are trying to compare an apple (verifiable proof of 2010 recruiting based on who actually plays where) to a kumquat (2011 early comiitments). Talk about trying to distort the issue: have a look in the mirror, read your own posts. Now your are so consumed with petty bitterness that you you are confusing yourself.

Your kid is likely to go to a NESCAC? Great. Congrats to him. Just imagine how many other opportunities he might have had if he had been exposed to dozens more potential college coaches? He may have still decided to go to a NESCAC, but there's nothing wrong with the exploration of wider horizons.

By the way, you might want to be a tad more careful in your posts. You sound a little elitist when you boast of how your kid is going to a NESCAC. You wouldn't want us all to think that you are exactly the type of person you ranted against a few posts earlier.

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It doesn't matter how many times it's posted, you still can't comprehend the fact that there it's too early to evaluate 2011 recruits. You are trying to compare an apple (verifiable proof of 2010 recruiting based on who actually plays where) to a kumquat (2011 early comiitments). Talk about trying to distort the issue: have a look in the mirror, read your own posts. Now your are so consumed with petty bitterness that you you are confusing yourself.

Your kid is likely to go to a NESCAC? Great. Congrats to him. Just imagine how many other opportunities he might have had if he had been exposed to dozens more potential college coaches? He may have still decided to go to a NESCAC, but there's nothing wrong with the exploration of wider horizons.

By the way, you might want to be a tad more careful in your posts. You sound a little elitist when you boast of how your kid is going to a NESCAC. You wouldn't want us all to think that you are exactly the type of person you ranted against a few posts earlier.

I wasn't talking about or comparing 2010s. You interjected that because you were empty. Remember, this IS the 2011 thread! Also never said my kid was selecting a NESCAC....just among his options. Might go elsewhere...imagine that. For the out of area schools, we call or email. Seems to work. That said, I do have some elitism in me. Do you?

Otherwise, you win. There is obviously too much at stake for you here to engage in a fair and rational discussion.

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for 2011 d1 commits so far we have 8 players (please correct if i missed anyone):

Boston College: TM, MD

Bucknell: JM

Cinncinnati: CD (not listed on espn rise, but it has been said he commited)

Drexel: MG

Holy Cross: AB

New Hampshire: CB

Vermont: BA

surprised there are not more mass kids going d1 considering we have a larger population than most, i doubt there will be many more added since it is almost the new year. it seems that only JM, CB, and AB committed before july 1, and the rest were later commits. Also, 6 of the 8 are DAP players.

Just so we are clear about this only 4 of the above D1 recruits are DAP players who have been with their DAP before this November--the other two just joined their DAP teams, thus the DAP did not have an impact in their D1 decision. thus, 50% of this list TM, MD, CB and BA are all products of MAPLE and ODP--heaven forbid. Remember there are many ways to get to a college destination of choice and there is no right or wrong path. I know there are a number of Mass players DAP and non-DAP who did not even want to go down the D1 path for college soccer even though they were recruited by D1 schools. Hopefully, they will all get to their college of choice and play college soccer if that is their choice. The fact that any of these players will play college athletics is an achievement in of itself--who cares if it's D1, D2 or D3.

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not true, signing day is 1st week of feb. coach won't give you more than a few days to make decision. if you tell him to wait he will most likely forget about you and move on to the next recruit. May 1st means nothing so you clearly have no clue what you are saying

Except for the coach who told my son the offer was there until the May 1st deadline--no pressure or quick deadlines and hopes he accepts the offer.

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Just so we are clear about this only 4 of the above D1 recruits are DAP players who have been with their DAP before this November--the other two just joined their DAP teams, thus the DAP did not have an impact in their D1 decision. thus, 50% of this list TM, MD, CB and BA are all products of MAPLE and ODP--heaven forbid. Remember there are many ways to get to a college destination of choice and there is no right or wrong path. I know there are a number of Mass players DAP and non-DAP who did not even want to go down the D1 path for college soccer even though they were recruited by D1 schools. Hopefully, they will all get to their college of choice and play college soccer if that is their choice. The fact that any of these players will play college athletics is an achievement in of itself--who cares if it's D1, D2 or D3.

who cares if it's d1, d2, or d3? only 8 ma kids of the the many talented players in this state are going d1. that is much more impressive than playing d2 or d3 soccer. these 8 should be applauded for being the slim percentage of kids who get to play at a higher level. not to bash non d1 players, but the level of play and talent between the divisions is huge. academically is a diff story with nescacs being world class schools, but the soccer levels are night and day.

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Except for the coach who told my son the offer was there until the May 1st deadline--no pressure or quick deadlines and hopes he accepts the offer.

well your son must be one of the last recruits since he is going to commit so late. the coach prob has all his key recruits anyway. d2 and d3 schools go later in their recruiting classes

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Except for the coach who told my son the offer was there until the May 1st deadline--no pressure or quick deadlines and hopes he accepts the offer.

Ditto here too. I just looked up the information we have on our acceptance as well. Early action, not decision. We need to let them know by May 1. What are we not clear on?

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well your son must be one of the last recruits since he is going to commit so late. the coach prob has all his key recruits anyway. d2 and d3 schools go later in their recruiting classes

Or the coach really wants this player to attend and hopes by the "soft sell" he can get a player he may not otherwise be able to attract. When you have other alternatives as I would assume this player has you can wait it out.

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I wasn't talking about or comparing 2010s. You interjected that because you were empty. Remember, this IS the 2011 thread! Also never said my kid was selecting a NESCAC....just among his options. Might go elsewhere...imagine that. For the out of area schools, we call or email. Seems to work. That said, I do have some elitism in me. Do you?

Otherwise, you win. There is obviously too much at stake for you here to engage in a fair and rational discussion.

I've worked with primates who who grasp concepts quicker than you do. Try to follow along, because people are laughing at you right now.

The 2010's were offered as evidence/proof/facts of where the DAP vs non DAP players went. I didn't interject it because I was empty. I interjected it because it's the last information that is proof positive of where the kids went. You rejected it because it debunks the myth that is your argument. Early on in this discussion, you asked for proof showing the DAP was responsible for the schools the kids went to. While that information is impossible to provide unless you poll every single family and/or coach, it is curious that you would dismiss proof from 2010 so easily. The reason 2010's were used was because the information is more complete and can be verified. The 2011 list is still very much in infancy. How do we know? Count the schools and kids on the 2011 list vs the 2010 list. Also, you can verify which kids ended up at which schools. Which is important since there are al least two kids on the 2011 D1 list that were also on the 2010 D1 list. So until we know for certain where the kids go, there is no like for like comparisons to be made. Let's reconvene in the fall of 2011, and we can have the same comparison we are having now.

Yes, it's the 2011 thread, but you keep wanting to promote your anti DAP (via anti Bolts) rhetoric. Can't believe you'd lie to us now and say you have no agenda against the Bolts since your bitterness towards them has oozed from your every post.

I love the fact that you admit to being a bit of an elitist after bashing the Bolts for being elitist. There is absolutely no end to your contradictory posts. Every time one of your points has been refuted with facts, you've changed your story or distanced yourself from that point.

If your kid indeed ends up at the NESCAC of your choice (I doubt he's had a say in the matter), then I hope that makes you happy. All the meddling you've done on his behalf, all your over-involvement in his decisions and his life, I hope he's prepared for having to live on his own. Or, have you chosen a NESCAC close enough to allow Daddy or Mommy to still be there to talk to a coach, get a tryout, and try to further his son's opportunity with a bribe when things don't go the way you think they should?

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who cares if it's d1, d2, or d3? only 8 ma kids of the the many talented players in this state are going d1. that is much more impressive than playing d2 or d3 soccer. these 8 should be applauded for being the slim percentage of kids who get to play at a higher level. not to bash non d1 players, but the level of play and talent between the divisions is huge. academically is a diff story with nescacs being world class schools, but the soccer levels are night and day.

First, absolutely these players should be congratulated that they are attending the college of their choice and will play D1 college soccer. Good for them and I hope they are both successful on the field and in the classroom during their college career. No one has attempted in all the rhetoric that has been blustered about this thread and others to suggest that D2 or D3 college soccer is any way shape or form is to be compared to D1 college soccer--there is no comparison and let's not try to rationalize it. The point that a number of posters have made is that a number of DAP'ers and non-DAP'ers in the Class of 2011 have chosen not to even consider playing D1 college soccer whether it be the size of the college/university, location, majors....many other factors which are considered in what college they want to attend for whatever reason. Soccer is one component, but for most of the players of the Class of 2011 soccer is probably not the #1 reason for college selection. Everyone's choice is personal. Some players would prefer to be at a smaller school, thus D2 or D3 will be there choice. Some players want an urban evironment, some want a rural campus...the list goes on and on. Some players want to play 2 sports in college as they did in high school. The fact that there are listed 8 Mass players who have made it know they are playing D1 soccer is great, but would it matter if the list was 6 or 14? Ultimately, my guess is that in 4 years time from now the entire HS Class of 2011 considered here will be through with their competitive college soccer careers whether it be D1, D2 or D3--hopefully they will be heading to graduate on time with 4 good years of college memories both in soccer and outside the pitch with employment on the horizon. Let's applaud all the players and not cast aspersions on anyones college choice--after all it is their choice.

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Ditto here too. I just looked up the information we have on our acceptance as well. Early action, not decision. We need to let them know by May 1. What are we not clear on?

That makes perfect sense. For parents of 2012 who are reading the board (I am assuming 2011s already have this down since in most cases they need to have actually applied by January 1, 2011) its important to get the difference between early action (EA), early decision (ED), early reads, regular admission and rolling admissions.

If your child applies EA, the acceptance is non-binding. Meaning your child can apply to other schools (either EA, ED, regular or rolling) at the same time and wait until the acceptance deadline (May 1 in many cases) whether to accept. If you are being recruited by a coach at a D3 school EA is the best of all worlds. The beauty of EA is your child knows way before the regular admissions acceptance deadline that they have been admitted to the college. And can continue to shop around to see if there are better options. None of the NESCACs have ED.

An ED application is binding. You can have only one ED application in process at a time. Some schools have ED1 (applications must be in by 11/15) and ED2 (applications must be in by 1/1). You can apply to other schools at the same time, but you sign a contract that says if you are accepted you will go (assuming the financial aid you need is forth coming) and you will withdraw all your other applications. If you are being recruited by a D3 school with ED (and the ED deadlines have not passed) the coach will almost certainly tell you to apply ED if you want his admissions support. This is because they want you be locked up. If you are not the coach's top 1 or 2 prospect, not applying ED can be dicey in D3. Coaches are not usually willing to hold spots open while you go shopping until May 1.

Early read is not an admission process. Its the coach going to the admissions committee before you have even applied to get a sense of whether his "support" will get you in. This is most helpful in D3 where there are no "commitment letters" and coaches technically don't have spots they get to fill on their own say so. An early read at D3 is not binding but if your coach tells you the early read looks good, you can feel pretty confident (unless the guy is a real bozo) if you apply you'll get in.

Overlaying this is the official "commitment letter". Here is where more knowledgeable folks need to chime in. My understanding is if you get a commitment letter, you are in even if you haven't applied. And it is my understanding they (or the NCAA) impose their own separate acceptance deadlines that are different from the regular admissions process. And once you accept, you are committed. As a result, ED, EA, regular, rolling and early read are largely irrelevant to you. Its just about who sent you an official commitment letter and when do you have to say yes to the coach.

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I've worked with primates who who grasp concepts quicker than you do. Try to follow along, because people are laughing at you right now.

The 2010's were offered as evidence/proof/facts of where the DAP vs non DAP players went. I didn't interject it because I was empty. I interjected it because it's the last information that is proof positive of where the kids went. You rejected it because it debunks the myth that is your argument. Early on in this discussion, you asked for proof showing the DAP was responsible for the schools the kids went to. While that information is impossible to provide unless you poll every single family and/or coach, it is curious that you would dismiss proof from 2010 so easily. The reason 2010's were used was because the information is more complete and can be verified. The 2011 list is still very much in infancy. How do we know? Count the schools and kids on the 2011 list vs the 2010 list. Also, you can verify which kids ended up at which schools. Which is important since there are al least two kids on the 2011 D1 list that were also on the 2010 D1 list. So until we know for certain where the kids go, there is no like for like comparisons to be made. Let's reconvene in the fall of 2011, and we can have the same comparison we are having now.

Yes, it's the 2011 thread, but you keep wanting to promote your anti DAP (via anti Bolts) rhetoric. Can't believe you'd lie to us now and say you have no agenda against the Bolts since your bitterness towards them has oozed from your every post.

I love the fact that you admit to being a bit of an elitist after bashing the Bolts for being elitist. There is absolutely no end to your contradictory posts. Every time one of your points has been refuted with facts, you've changed your story or distanced yourself from that point.

If your kid indeed ends up at the NESCAC of your choice (I doubt he's had a say in the matter), then I hope that makes you happy. All the meddling you've done on his behalf, all your over-involvement in his decisions and his life, I hope he's prepared for having to live on his own. Or, have you chosen a NESCAC close enough to allow Daddy or Mommy to still be there to talk to a coach, get a tryout, and try to further his son's opportunity with a bribe when things don't go the way you think they should?

You really are a flaming jerk. "Moron?" "Primate?" Deductions based on absolutely no data about how I interact with my child. Refined you are not. Nor cogent.

Acknowledging some elitism is a little different than being consumed by it. Are you or are you not elitist? You didn't say. Believe it or not, there are non-DAP kids who want to attend good schools, and they are. And we see that some keep rolling in on this thread....2011s.

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That makes perfect sense. For parents of 2012 who are reading the board (I am assuming 2011s already have this down since in most cases they need to have actually applied by January 1, 2011) its important to get the difference between early action (EA), early decision (ED), early reads, regular admission and rolling admissions.

If your child applies EA, the acceptance is non-binding. Meaning your child can apply to other schools (either EA, ED, regular or rolling) at the same time and wait until the acceptance deadline (May 1 in many cases) whether to accept. If you are being recruited by a coach at a D3 school EA is the best of all worlds. The beauty of EA is your child knows way before the regular admissions acceptance deadline that they have been admitted to the college. And can continue to shop around to see if there are better options. None of the NESCACs have ED.

An ED application is binding. You can have only one ED application in process at a time. Some schools have ED1 (applications must be in by 11/15) and ED2 (applications must be in by 1/1). You can apply to other schools at the same time, but you sign a contract that says if you are accepted you will go (assuming the financial aid you need is forth coming) and you will withdraw all your other applications. If you are being recruited by a D3 school with ED (and the ED deadlines have not passed) the coach will almost certainly tell you to apply ED if you want his admissions support. This is because they want you be locked up. If you are not the coach's top 1 or 2 prospect, not applying ED can be dicey in D3. Coaches are not usually willing to hold spots open while you go shopping until May 1.

Early read is not an admission process. Its the coach going to the admissions committee before you have even applied to get a sense of whether his "support" will get you in. This is most helpful in D3 where there are no "commitment letters" and coaches technically don't have spots they get to fill on their own say so. An early read at D3 is not binding but if your coach tells you the early read looks good, you can feel pretty confident (unless the guy is a real bozo) if you apply you'll get in.

Overlaying this is the official "commitment letter". Here is where more knowledgeable folks need to chime in. My understanding is if you get a commitment letter, you are in even if you haven't applied. And it is my understanding they (or the NCAA) impose their own separate acceptance deadlines that are different from the regular admissions process. And once you accept, you are committed. As a result, ED, EA, regular, rolling and early read are largely irrelevant to you. Its just about who sent you an official commitment letter and when do you have to say yes to the coach.

I believe if you apply ED, you must withdraw your app at point of submitting, not at acceptance. This alerts the other schools not to spend time on you. Can anyone confirm?

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I believe if you apply ED, you must withdraw your app at point of submitting, not at acceptance. This alerts the other schools not to spend time on you. Can anyone confirm?

Yes, if you admitted ED, and the finances are acceptable, you are required to withdraw any applications that were submitted at other schools.