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**perspective** · 10-21-2013, 02:04 PM

"I know that others use that sort of misdirection"

You certainly do.

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 08:58 AM

Heard last nite that US Soccer has extended the age group down for these NTC's to U12 and NEFC had 15 players invited to the next session. If that is true that is a fantastic climb for the club in just 4 years.

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 09:31 AM

There is a training session listed for October 26 in Lancaster MA. Can anyone show up or this an invite only event.

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Heard last nite that US Soccer has extended the age group down for these NTC's to U12 and NEFC had 15 players invited to the next session. If that is true that is a fantastic climb for the club in just 4 years.

It's not the club, it's the talent. Remember?

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 09:42 AM

Usually as coaches recommendation only, unless this is a regional US Soccer Training clinic in which case only by invitation from the US scouts.

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

There is a training session listed for October 26 in Lancaster MA. Can anyone show up or this an invite only event.

Invite only. Usually top players on team recommended by their coach.

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

It's not the club, it's the talent. Remember?

Too funny. Perspective and the other ECNL lackeys have been pounding on their bully pulpit for years that the environment meant everything and the ECNL clubs were the ONLY place where elite talent could congregate and find success. Clearly this post shows that at least one of them is now upset that things aren't quite working out the way they thought it would.

The thing is, it is actually about the individual talent and the club doesn't matter nearly as much as some of those yahoos think. The fact that so much of the younger talent is obviously rejecting the single "elite path" theory proffered by the ECNL crowd and finding success in venues other than the ECNL proves how wrong those yahoos are. What the apparent success of these NEFC players really demonstrates is that you don't have to go to one specific club to find success. There are a lot of club choices out there. If your child has true talent it will rise to the top in just about any environment so you are free to pick the one that works the best for your family. That could just as likely be an ECNL club like the Scorpions or Stars as an NPL club like MPS, Aztec, or NEFC, or even a MAPLE club like the New England Rush. Like so many things it all comes down to fit.

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Too funny. Perspective and the other ECNL lackeys have been pounding on their bully pulpit for years that the environment meant everything and the ECNL clubs were the ONLY place where elite talent could congregate and find success. Clearly this post shows that at least one of them is now upset that things aren't quite working out the way they thought it would.

The thing is, it is actually about the individual talent and the club doesn't matter nearly as much as some of those yahoos think. The fact that so much of the younger talent is obviously rejecting the single "elite path" theory proffered by the ECNL crowd and finding success in venues other than the ECNL proves how wrong those yahoos are. What the apparent success of these NEFC players really demonstrates is that you don't have to go to one specific club to find success. There are a lot of club choices out there. If your child has true talent it will rise to the top in just about any environment so you are free to pick the one that works the best for your family. That could just as likely be an ECNL club like the Scorpions or Stars as an NPL club like MPS, Aztec, or NEFC, or even a MAPLE club like the New England Rush. Like so many things it all comes down to fit.

* The problem with what you write is that no one from a small MAPLE club will get an invite to a TC. Do you think USYS sends a letter to every little club in the country asking them to recommend their best player(s)? They don't. They hit up the destination clubs where most of the good players are

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

* The problem with what you write is that no one from a small MAPLE club will get an invite to a TC. Do you think USYS sends a letter to every little club in the country asking them to recommend their best player(s)? They don't. They hit up the destination clubs where most of the good players are

It is not all doom and gloom if you want your kid to be with a small club, you just have to know how to play the game. If that is the way you want to go then ODP should be a big part of what you do. If your kid ends up in the discussion for the regional pool their coaches recommendation will carry some weight even if the coach themselves doesn't. If they can't get themselves into the discussion then really it is a mute point anyways.

**perspective** · 10-22-2013, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Too funny. Perspective and the other ECNL lackeys have been pounding on their bully pulpit for years that the environment meant everything and the ECNL clubs were the ONLY place where elite talent could congregate and find success. Clearly this post shows that at least one of them is now upset that things aren't quite working out the way they thought it would.

The thing is, it is actually about the individual talent and the club doesn't matter nearly as much as some of those yahoos think. The fact that so much of the younger talent is obviously rejecting the single "elite path" theory proffered by the ECNL crowd and finding success in venues other than the ECNL proves how wrong those yahoos are. What the apparent success of these NEFC players really demonstrates is that you don't have to go to one specific club to find success. There are a lot of club choices out there. If your child has true talent it will rise to the top in just about any environment so you are free to pick the one that works the best for your family. That could just as likely be an ECNL club like the Scorpions or Stars as an NPL club like MPS, Aztec, or NEFC, or even a MAPLE club like the New England Rush. Like so many things it all comes down to fit.

What it too funny is that no one has been pounding a bully pulpit for years except for you. You keep SAYING others say there is only one path when in fact myself and the other "lackeys" have gone out of our way to say very explicitly that there is not one path. You have some agenda that compels you keep positing falsehoods, which apparently is so that you can have a reason to pump and hype your own club. Interesting how quickly we got from the MidAtlantic to NEFC! Or does NEFC now have satellite franchises in the MidAtlantic now too???

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by perspective View Post

what it too funny is that no one has been pounding a bully pulpit for years except for you. You keep saying others say there is only one path when in fact myself and the other "lackeys" have gone out of our way to say very explicitly that there is not one path. You have some agenda that compels you keep positing falsehoods, which apparently is so that you can have a reason to pump and hype your own club. Interesting how quickly we got from the midatlantic to nefc! Or does nefc now have satellite franchises in the midatlantic now too???

weirdo

**Unregistered** · 10-22-2013, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by perspective View Post

What it too funny is that no one has been pounding a bully pulpit for years except for you. You keep SAYING others say there is only one path when in fact myself and the other "lackeys" have gone out of our way to say very explicitly that there is not one path. You have some agenda that compels you keep positing falsehoods, which apparently is so that you can have a reason to pump and hype your own club. Interesting how quickly we got from the MidAtlantic to NEFC! Or does NEFC now have satellite franchises in the MidAtlantic now too???

Come on Perspective you can't be serious with this post can you? Either you don't actually believe what you write or you are so blinded by your hatred for the other guy that now as the fallacy of your pov is becoming clear you are finding that you have to completely recast yourself as always playing for the other team to save face. (BTW, it is pretty obvious that you are now posting more anonymously. We'll save debating that little bit of hypocrisy for a later date.)

Do you honestly think anyone on this forum is buying that you have been the champion of multiple paths? You have been one of the staunchest advocates on this forum of the ECNL as the only path for elite players. We have all read thousands of your posts attacking btdt for his supposed "unfair" criticisms of that pov and now we are supposed to believe that you are buying into what HE has always said. Make no mistake his pov has always been that it didn't matter what club a player played for, what mattered was the level of their talent. Seems that you are co-opting that pov now.

**perspective** · 10-22-2013, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Come on Perspective you can't be serious with this post can you? Either you don't actually believe what you write or you are so blinded by your hatred for the other guy that now as the fallacy of your pov is becoming clear you are finding that you have to completely recast yourself as always playing for the other team to save face. (BTW, it is pretty obvious that you are now posting more anonymously. We'll save debating that little bit of hypocrisy for a later date.)

Do you honestly think anyone on this forum is buying that you have been the champion of multiple paths? You have been one of the staunchest advocates on this forum of the ECNL as the only path for elite players. We have all read thousands of your posts attacking btdt for his supposed "unfair" criticisms of that pov and now we are supposed to believe that you are buying into what HE has always said. Make no mistake his pov has always been that it didn't matter what club a player played for, what mattered was the level of their talent. Seems that you are co-opting that pov now.

Then you are not a very good student of the board. I've been saying the same thing for the past year, as have others, repeatedly. That's not enough for him because what he has going is personal. He's not so much against ECNL as he entertains playing for regional super-ECNL clubs all the time. He's got something personal with Stars and Scorps, period. And mostly likely with a couple of specific families. As for me, I have no stake in ECNL at all. As I've ALWAYS said, I just don't like gross distortions and failures to acknowledge successes where they have occurred, especially when the omissions are so self-serving and clearly vindictive. Yes, I have repeatedly challenged and called out that person, but I have NEVER said there is only path or that NEFC is not viable as a path. I can direct you to a 100 or more posts over just the past year if you like. And I'm not posting anonymously, btw.

**Unregistered** · 10-23-2013, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by perspective View Post

Then you are not a very good student of the board. I've been saying the same thing for the past year, as have others, repeatedly. That's not enough for him because what he has going is personal. He's not so much against ECNL as he entertains playing for regional super-ECNL clubs all the time. He's got something personal with Stars and Scorps, period. And mostly likely with a couple of specific families. As for me, I have no stake in ECNL at all. As I've ALWAYS said, I just don't like gross distortions and failures to acknowledge successes where they have occurred, especially when the omissions are so self-serving and clearly vindictive. Yes, I have repeatedly challenged and called out that person, but I have NEVER said there is only path or that NEFC is not viable as a path. I can direct you to a 100 or more posts over just the past year if you like. And I'm not posting anonymously, btw.

With the thousands of posts you make here on TS Perspective, you are the one who actually takes things to an obscene level so it is more than a little hypocritical of you to judge anyone here for the amount of support they give their club. Anyone who joins a competing club will have reasons why they chose their club and not the others. The underlying biases should be a given. Most of us recognize the biases and just filter the content accordingly then move on.

I have tracked your little disagreement for years now and must say that you are the one who has actually focused the discussion on to the specific clubs. Say what you may about him but BTDT has always argued about paths in more general terms and you have always turned it back to the local representatives on those paths. Just look at your post above as a perfect example, you framed the issue specifically as an NEFC vs Stars/Scorpions thing and that completely ignores that MPS, Aztec, and Seacoast are on the same path as NEFC. You never seem to recognize that there are other clubs just as much involved in the discussion as NEFC. The fact of the matter is there are actually more of us out here on the same path as NEFC than on the one with the Stars/Scorpions so you really misjudge your audience quite a bit of the time.

The way I have always read your posts, the distortions you apparently are so incensed about basically emanate from differing points of view over how much credit the clubs should get for developing players. You have always argued that the Stars and Scorpions deserve a whole lot of credit for their past player's success and his position that the environment doesn't matter much is really what seems to get you worked up. You basically say that above. You feel he distorts their record of accomplishment when the way I read things is really he just ignores it as inconsequential because he doesn't share your view over the cause and effect. No need to go back and look at old posts. Your whole vindictive argument basically grows out of this disconnect and all of the back and forth that you feel is so disrespectful to those clubs boils down to nothing more than a philosophical disagreement over who deserves the credit. That is hardly the clandestine thing you have it built up into in your mind.

The reality is for what ever reason you have argued extensively in favor of the Stars and Scorpions. You voluntarily took on the role as their champion and have been quite prolific in presenting their case for them. The truth of the matter is that a competing club now is achieving the same sort of results that you, yourself have argued needs to be respected. The fact that you refuse to give that club that same respect speaks a whole lot about the validity of your argument and your underlying motivation for making it. You could have simply written a congratulatory note about the kids and club, yet you chose to go off on yet another rant perpetuating your mythical battle. The realty that it is a one sided battle is becoming more and more evident as the evidence mounts showing just how out of touch with reality your opinions have been. The truth is the environment is very different from what you understand it to be so when other posters disagree with you it is not a malicious attack on the clubs, it is actually a discussion dissecting the talking points you keep throwing out to support their case. At this point the only thing fueling your little crusade is your own inability to accept differing opinions about those talking points. The fact that you make all of this so personal speaks more about you than anyone else here.