No more Captains in High School?

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Excuse me, what exactly has barney frank done of note except sleep with his boyfriend
who was a director of fannie mae, while he was in a congressional position overseeing
fannie mae's operations. i guess that showed great leadership as the US taxpayer is now on the hook for atleast 5 Trillion dollars of Fannie Mae losses. Ummmm. No thanks for that public school graduate. biggest phoney of them all.

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Excuse me, what exactly has barney frank done of note except sleep with his boyfriend
who was a director of fannie mae, while he was in a congressional position overseeing
fannie mae's operations. i guess that showed great leadership as the US taxpayer is now on the hook for atleast 5 Trillion dollars of Fannie Mae losses. Ummmm. No thanks for that public school graduate. biggest phoney of them all.

If what you say is true, I guess we all got the same thing that night.

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Cujo is spot onin his analysis.

Soccer teams don't need captains. Teams should have captains. Where are the youth supposed to learn leadership skills?

In any case, the public schools are not intended to produce leaders and those who have the misfortune to have to send their children to such are seeing that in practice. All who can afford it in L-S are sending their children to the ISL schools or out of state boarding schools.

This latest action merely reveals the truth.

I would really like to meet you, so I can severly kick your pompous, inbred ***.

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I would really like to meet you, so I can severly kick your pompous, inbred ***.

Dont waste your time. As a private school graduate myself I can assure you that they do not "intend" to "produce leaders" either. That poster was way off base.

A leader will be a leader regardless of where they went to school or what they lead. In some case it's not always good if you think about it.

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The same way the US Soccer system produces a small number of quality players. The cream rises irrespective of how bad things are around them.

The public school system is designed to foster mediocrity. No where in the mandated curriculum are leadership skills promoted. The "self directed" team is taught as the pinnacle of the work environment. It is a flawed concept that is forced upon our youth to create a manageable work force willing to pay taxes and be obiedient to the government.

The public schools do not create leaders. Any leaders who have graduated from public schools achieved their successes inspite of the public schools not due to them.

Please name some leaders who attended public HS's in Massachusetts and made significant contributions to this country.

A lie told enough times is perceived as the truth.



In the interests of full disclosure, I attended public schools in Massachusetts from K through 12. My children attended public schools K through 8.

First of all, your anaolgy between Public Schools, in Massachusetts , or even in the United States , is flawed. Pubic Schools are administered by individual states, where as the USSF is a national organization. While it is very true that the Federal Governement funds some of the schools of the states, and offers some guidlines, it is mostly up to the individual states. Schools are funded, and run by, if you will, local Boards of Education. Many of the teachers, and other employees are Union members. All of the funding comes from Public money. The USSF , is a private organization, that is dependent upon the contributions of its members, in dues, partipation fees , etc.

Public schools employ paid professionals, that have demonstrated , and met the requirements set forth by individual states , and/or Boards of Education. Not so with the USSF, where as those that are involved in the organization need not be educated to any specific standard or requirenment, beyond wha thhe organization deems fit for the individual function or appointment.

The Public School sytem is designed to educate children. Free public school education, is one of the foundations of our society, an extension of a traditional idea since early in our history. It is unique in that it offers equal opportunity , equality , and fosters diversity and well being. The USSF , as it is now headed , appears to provide none of the above.

Those that have attended Public Schols, have used the environment to enrich themselves, and have taken full advantage of the benefits of the system. Just because graduates and/or former students of the Public Schools in Massachusetts have not , in your view " made significant contributions to this country" . doesn't mean that they have not made significant contributions to society, or the community at large. Just because the Norweigians didn't give them a prize, doesn't mean that their contributions, and hard work is insignificant.

The world is full of educated derelicts , including those that have been educated in Public and Private schools. To dismiss the leaders that honed their skills, those that took advantage of what was provided in Public Schools and made better lives for themselves and for others, is ignorant and arrogant.

Notable graduates of Public Schools in America include Harry Truman, and Dr. Martin Luther King. There are milions of others, including many , many from Massachusetts. Just becasue they may not be household names, and can't be seen on CNN, doesn't mean that what they do, and /or have done, is not beneficial to society.

I happened to have graduated from Public Schools , and over the years I have volunteered thousands of hours to instruct children. Some of those children went on to great success in College, and afterwards. Am I a leader ? Was I a success and leading those children down a path of motivation, hard work and results? Most likely, you would have to ask them , and/or their parents, and not depend upon the Boston Globe or CNN to establish that fact. I am just one of millions of Americans that are similar in that regard.

" nowhere is the mandated curriculum are leadership skillls promoted"
They don't need to be. Leadership skills come from within. Leadership " skills " are individual skills, unique to the individual. Leadership skills emerge from the personality , as one of the normal aspects of individual psychological growth. Leadership skills can't be forced, or taught, only enhanced, enriched and cultivated. To " promote " , one has to compare, and the comparision of children who have different stages of mental physical growth, at different times may not be advantagous , or beneficial to all.

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Stossel makes some compelling arguments about public education

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw

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Stossel makes some compelling arguments about public education

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw

If this " story " was a bucket of water, you would be spending all your time collecting the plugging the leaks.

Stossel is an entertainer. ABC news is a joke.

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If this " story " was a bucket of water, you would be spending all your time collecting the plugging the leaks.

Stossel is an entertainer. ABC news is a joke.

Sorry, should have read " spending your time collecting the water and plugging the leaks ".

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First of all, your anaolgy between Public Schools, in Massachusetts , or even in the United States , is flawed. Pubic Schools are administered by individual states, where as the USSF is a national organization. While it is very true that the Federal Governement funds some of the schools of the states, and offers some guidlines, it is mostly up to the individual states. Schools are funded, and run by, if you will, local Boards of Education. Many of the teachers, and other employees are Union members. All of the funding comes from Public money. The USSF , is a private organization, that is dependent upon the contributions of its members, in dues, partipation fees , etc.

Public schools employ paid professionals, that have demonstrated , and met the requirements set forth by individual states , and/or Boards of Education. Not so with the USSF, where as those that are involved in the organization need not be educated to any specific standard or requirenment, beyond wha thhe organization deems fit for the individual function or appointment.

The Public School sytem is designed to educate children. Free public school education, is one of the foundations of our society, an extension of a traditional idea since early in our history. It is unique in that it offers equal opportunity , equality , and fosters diversity and well being. The USSF , as it is now headed , appears to provide none of the above.

Those that have attended Public Schols, have used the environment to enrich themselves, and have taken full advantage of the benefits of the system. Just because graduates and/or former students of the Public Schools in Massachusetts have not , in your view " made significant contributions to this country" . doesn't mean that they have not made significant contributions to society, or the community at large. Just because the Norweigians didn't give them a prize, doesn't mean that their contributions, and hard work is insignificant.

The world is full of educated derelicts , including those that have been educated in Public and Private schools. To dismiss the leaders that honed their skills, those that took advantage of what was provided in Public Schools and made better lives for themselves and for others, is ignorant and arrogant.

Notable graduates of Public Schools in America include Harry Truman, and Dr. Martin Luther King. There are milions of others, including many , many from Massachusetts. Just becasue they may not be household names, and can't be seen on CNN, doesn't mean that what they do, and /or have done, is not beneficial to society.

I happened to have graduated from Public Schools , and over the years I have volunteered thousands of hours to instruct children. Some of those children went on to great success in College, and afterwards. Am I a leader ? Was I a success and leading those children down a path of motivation, hard work and results? Most likely, you would have to ask them , and/or their parents, and not depend upon the Boston Globe or CNN to establish that fact. I am just one of millions of Americans that are similar in that regard.

" nowhere is the mandated curriculum are leadership skillls promoted"
They don't need to be. Leadership skills come from within. Leadership " skills " are individual skills, unique to the individual. Leadership skills emerge from the personality , as one of the normal aspects of individual psychological growth. Leadership skills can't be forced, or taught, only enhanced, enriched and cultivated. To " promote " , one has to compare, and the comparision of children who have different stages of mental physical growth, at different times may not be advantagous , or beneficial to all.

Thank you! Well said.

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MASC, I don't know if I agree with your views on public school and leadership. I agree that public schools often fail to push their students to the highest levels of excellence. There are many times I feel that public schools accept mediocrity and call it excellence. To be honest, that's true of most private schools too. And while I would give the finest academic high school education nod to the very, very top private schools, I am not willing to say that they prepare leaders any more effectively than public schools. After all, private schools have the luxury of selecting their students. Those students are supposed to be the most capable, so you'd expect them to be more successful on the whole than public school kids.

For what it's worth, here are some leaders who graduated from public school in Massachusetts:

Scott Brown
Barney Frank
Jack Welch (former GE CEO)
Paul Tsongas
Mike Dukakis

Additionally, I believe these relatively recent presidents attended public high school, though not in Massachusetts (and interestingly NOT Barack Obama, who went to Punahou, the most exclusive private school in Hawaii):

Ronald Reagan
Jimmy Carter
Gerald Ford
Bill Clinton
Richard Nixon

A few others of note:

Newt Gingrich
Orin Hatch
Harry Reid

Maybe all of these people succeed in spite of attending public schools. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if they would all attribute some of their success to experiences they had in public school, perhaps lessons learned because they had to deal with a broad cross-section of our society in their youth.

See, good and bad from both private and public depending on your viewpoint. There is no one way to be educated and it must be accompanied by building good character to be of any worth. There are a lot of pompous jerks coming out of private school who can't do anything for themselves.

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See, good and bad from both private and public depending on your viewpoint. There is no one way to be educated and it must be accompanied by building good character to be of any worth. There are a lot of pompous jerks coming out of private school who can't do anything for themselves.

Indeed, and regarding Higher Education, what are they learning ?

www.whatwilltheylearn.com

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If this " story " was a bucket of water, you would be spending all your time collecting the plugging the leaks.

Stossel is an entertainer. ABC news is a joke.

I did not say his arguments were complete but having worked in public schools, I can tell you that a lot of what he is showing accurately depicts what goes on. Our public school system is a mess. The whole concept of no child left behind is forcing schools to teach to the lowest common and the litiganous nature of our society has created a real CYA mentality in an already bloated and beaureaucratic system. Suffice to say there is little to no accountability anywhere and that shows up in many ways in our youth.

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TAKE IT TO THE POLITICS THREAD. Meanwhile, ask your kids what they think of no captains and report back here. It's their team(s), not ours.

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I did not say his arguments were complete but having worked in public schools, I can tell you that a lot of what he is showing accurately depicts what goes on. Our public school system is a mess. The whole concept of no child left behind is forcing schools to teach to the lowest common and the litiganous nature of our society has created a real CYA mentality in an already bloated and beaureaucratic system. Suffice to say there is little to no accountability anywhere and that shows up in many ways in our youth.

Try not and backpeddle regarding your original post. You stated clearly that Public Schools could not produce good leaders. Granted, the Public School system may be " mess' , however , the list of American Institutions and practices today that are also a " mess " is quite lengthy. Incompetence is rampant in our society . And you can't generalize about Public Schools. There are schools in the inner cities in America that are doing a bang up job.

History is full of people that have brought themselves through circumstances worse than what exists in today's Public Schools. For many, Public Schools are still the best hope and maybe the only hope to climb the ladder leading to success and prosperity.

It all begins in the home. Before pointing the finger at Public Schools, the administrators, the teachers , the system, take a look at the American family of today. Studies are beginning to emerge regarding the pitfalls of Day Care , and the falling percentage of children in married households, as just two examples.

Even the children of so-called affluent familes are different today from past generations. Over scheduled, over structured, lack of family meals together at home, lack of free , imaginative play, etc. are all circumstances that Public Schools have to deal with.

The mistake that is made is to think that private schools are filled with nature's perfect children. Quite the contrary.

No, you said it , and meant it. You took a slap at Public schools, and now are scurrying around trying to mitigate the damages.

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TAKE IT TO THE POLITICS THREAD. Meanwhile, ask your kids what they think of no captains and report back here. It's their team(s), not ours.

Amen. Call talk radio, the rest of you.