Henry S mentioned Andy Barney in the Tracking Playing Time thread. I've recently come across a discussion started by Barney in another forum. Here is some of his thoughts from that forum. He took a ration of you-know-what from other posters for what he said. For a minute I got confused and thought I must be reading this forum. :?
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"If we as parents succeed in bringing up children who are very quickly able to identify the right thing to do from a menu of available options, (some bad, some questionable, some good), we have succeeded by most measures of good parenting. If the ability to make the right choice becomes automatic without need for reflection or contemplation we have truly raised an exceptional human being. Unfortunately the traditional methods of coaching team sports to "win" in the statistical sense have built in ethical and moral abuses that train opposite, damaging and extremely undesirable life perspectives. Classic examples of these would be trash talking, minor fouls off the ball, cuts, bench-sitting, pigeonholing, time-wasting."
"Modern knowledge of soccer tactics and systems has allowed us to manipulate statistical results and control players in restrictive ways to their detriment. This is a fact that becomes clearer each day as creative development dies and our players fail to achieve their potential. Indeed by disconnecting us from creative license traditional win/profit oriented coaching has led us into actions so inharmonious with developmental reality that a character catastrophe seems inevitable for our players if we stay the course. Win oriented coaching methods, far from telling the truth about how we develop character are myths meant to feed our fading fantasy of ego based coach power and control. If we dare to move beyond our fear of losing to practice coaching as a form of creative character development we might abandon our illusion of control and enter into a partnership with parents in developing truly brilliant humans with spectacular character. By optimizing our most purist selves we might teach more clearly the actions that are life-empowering and in the process participate more fully in establishing human destiny and the destiny of the world than we do in our quest for control, winning and profits. This relational way of coaching, in which creative character development takes away fear and optimal self-determination replaces control, is a way of teaching that can help us develop phenomenally capable young men and women, the capacity for elite connectedness and truly great team interaction in life."
"as a group our coaches will focus more on creative indiviudal skill and its use in the game for much longer than traditionally the case.
Children should not be subjected to some of the things we take for granted in team sports. Children should not "sit the bench", be taught to kick the ball out of play, be cut from their club (Streaming is educationally essential where the child is struggling), be pigeonholed into one position etc.
The list of child abuses, accepted by otherwise good parents, in our team sports culture is very long and ugly.
Locally there are coaches that are excellent, somewhat good, average, poor or frankly disgusting in their emphasis.
My objective here is to educate open-minded parents to recognize the differences and take their children to the good coaches. It is also to get misguided coaches to adopt less damaging methods.
I fully realize that many coaches I perceive to be doing the wrong things read this forum. To these powerful individuals I would like to point out, (and others from my past coaching life in the community will attest to this), that I used to follow tradition and used every abusive method of coaching that I now abhor, to win games.
Yes, I am the reformed child abuser and I live with the guilt of taking kids hundreds of miles to tournaments and not playing them much in my quest to win. I live with the guilt of having encouraged my players to foul to win. I have wrongly kept players in one position for years because I needed their specialist skills in that role to get the win and build my own ego. The list of my own weaknesses and ignorance is long and humbling.
I long ago abandoned the selfish way (Isn't that interesting for someone who encourages great individual skill). It is now all about each one of my club players not me.
I want every player to leave my club relatively stronger in every department of character than before they joined.
The only way I have been able to guarantee this is make each player phenomenally skillful first. After the skills have been taught we put the skill under ever increasing pressure so that the creativity is richly entwined with a great work-ethic, quick intelligence and excellent physiology."
"What made you see the error of your ways Andy?
Multiple confrontations with parents who informed me that they were unhappy with my actions. E.g. sitting their child on the bench and crushing self-concept in the process.
Was it a series of events or a particular event?
A series for sure!!
What is the biggest difference you have seen?
I've got more wrinkles and my eyesight is fading!
Seriously though, with the onset of ranking systems for those as young as 8 or 9 and the intense media exposure winners and losers in all strata of society are given, our culture is more cynical and soul destroying than ever before. The culture is moving more towards the short-term team win instead of towards the individual win that leads to long-term success. Funnily enough the long-term perspective inevitably leads to team wins because of the positive individual development enjoyed at every stage of the process.
With regard to my own players I can directly relate the relative life success of the individuals involved to the amount of time those kids spent with me. For example the players from the two teams I coached longest from 4, 5 and 6 years of age through to college recruitment have enjoyed inordinate levels of individual leadership and societal success at a very young age. The parents and players attribute much of this creative leadership capability to the way in which they were taught to think creatively and explore new ways to look at life through the Legends approach. I'm equally sure that if these same kids had been taught to play the restricted roles typical of most premier teams their unique creative capabilities wouldn't have been developed to the same degree. Anyone who understands the science of nurture and believes that role models have a positive influence should be able to see the logic in this.
What is the difference in a kid now vs then?
Kids are becoming less fit at an earlier age. Kids today (as opposed to when I started the club) have so many distractions. They spend less time on the physical and more time on the mentally stimulating, entertainment side of life. They relate less face to face and more in cyberspace. Consequently, the need for creative, athletic training in organized, (yet ambiguity promoting), situations has never been greater or more crucially important. The great problem is that ambiguity is rarely promoted in "organized" environments. Therefore, child creative conflict resolution skills and ambiguity embracement has to now be built into the "organized" experience (How about that for Ying and Yang!!).
How can you tell you are instilling some of these values that you talk about?
Objective and subjective feedback.
Objective feedback would be such things as the Legends alumni list, leadership positions achieved by Legends alumni.
Subjective feedback comes from ex-players and their parents who believe the philosophy as been a powerful positive factor in alumni success.
I hope this helps."
"Families exist to love, educate, support and cherish. Businesses exist to make money. Youth soccer, premier or otherwise, should be run by family values where enjoyment, effort, creative character development and support are paramount. Professional soccer is run by business values where results and winning are the most vital objectives. In between are the high school and college environments. Some high school teams have coaches who run their teams with extreme “win at all cost†business type values. Conversely some colleges have programs that are operated with a loving and supportive family type structure. As an educator and mentor I believe firmly in maintaining a “family†style coaching culture through college. I believe that collegiate graduation is the absolute earliest that a young person should have their individual horizons restricted by an emphasis on winning versus development.
Unfortunately for many youth players we live in a “perform or perish, win at all costs, profit or perdition†company/business type culture. We are often valued for what we produce rather than because we make our best effort. If a youth coach assigns value based upon day-to-day productivity, she is helping instill a warped adult system of value judgment into a child’s personality. Throughout life, children and adults need to be shown that their existence has value whether or not they are successful in the business/profit sense of the word. Children need to be educated to try their very best in every important situation that demands 100% effort. This is a gradual “step by step†process. For children to experiment and maximize their creative potential they need a 100% effort “reward for risk†education. If children are to be freed from the bonds of “perform or perish†coaching they must taught that it is the effort and risk, not the result, that counts. "
"The coach must hold the superstar to the same set of effort values as the rest of the players. Coaches must teach children that each player on the team is just as important as another by valuing individual uniqueness, even when aware of shortcomings. When you respect your players and focus on their positive qualities they are freer to learn and grow in all directions. If the coach approaches player education from this perspective a greater percentage of their students will develop and achieve to a much higher level. Those who claim that the potential superstar will be held back in a family culture couldn’t be more wrong. The potential superstar on most “business style†teams becomes “spoiled†because they are an excessive focus of the team. In this scenario the superstar becomes the assigned coaching and player target for most passes because he can help the team win more often. He gets more playing time, more recognition and more adulation. All of which sounds great until the long-term psychological cost is totaled up. With any type of preferential treatment that hasn’t been earned through a genuine greater effort than given by peers, there is a psychological tendency to expect even greater unjustified preferential treatment in the future. When the bubble bursts, as it eventually has to, the superstar is left with a warped entitlement expectation and a reduced capacity to give genuine effort in environments where he or she doesn’t “rule the roostâ€. The superstar syndrome is often exposed in the transition stage between youth and adult soccer. A tremendous percentage of youth superstars who were tipped for the “big-time†never make it. One of the main reasons for this is the false sense of self-concept and poor work ethic created by youth coaches and parents who give them, or expect them to receive, preferential treatment. Often misguided coaches use gifted players to achieve the win instead of using each practice or game to teach them the 100% effort, risk for reward attitude and skills needed to develop them to maximum potential."
"If the coach adopts a fair and unified “reward for risk†approach, each of his players will feel cherished as a person and this will help optimize personal growth, fuel competency and build self-respect. Much more importantly each child will feel that he is important and worthwhile regardless of his competence. Performance growth and success builds the personal sense of being valuable, while being cherished as a person, nurtures the feeling of being loved.
Every child needs to feel both loved and worthwhile. However, whether in soccer or in life, lovability and respect must be tied to effort not outcomes. This is because personal effort and the self-concept attached is 100% under each child’s control. The more a young player feels respected, the more he likes himself and the more likely he is to perform in satisfactory ways. Therefore, the coach should always attach love, recognition and respect to the desirable and manageable effort factor, instead of attaching undue importance to uncertain and unmanageable outcomes."
"The disease of winning permeates our sports to the degree that most coaches will position players as young as 6 years of age and keep them in that pigeonhole during practice and games for a whole season. This rigid positioning is limiting at any age. Positioning (pigeonholing) is done to maximize the team’s chances of winning the next league or scheduled tournament. Unfortunately the end result is a player who sees the game from only one perspective and learns only the limited skills, tactics, fitness and psychology demanded of that position. In Paul Gardner’s excellent book “Soccer Talk†he quotes Columbia University coach Dieter Ficken, “The moment that you have a plan that the players must follow, you’re immediately playing non-soccer. In a game, players under pressure will play to their strengths. The moment you start giving them roles, then the players are not playing their game, but a game the coach perceives as soccer.†Kids love to play and create. They will spend hours setting up their toys and constructing imaginary scenarios. The natural tendency to be diverse, creative and adventurous is often stifled by the coach who sees the game from a rigid, organizational, win-oriented, perspective. The inexperienced young player wants to learn and grow. She needs to be encouraged to experiment. She desires the ball and wants to be taught to do amazing creative things with it. The last thing she wants to do is share it with a teammate. The normal child desires fun through the satisfaction of the need for active play. This involves great movement and lots of contact with the ball in a creative, free spirited manner. However, most coaches ask their players to play a position. They first try to give their team structure. Young kids don’t want or need positional structure in their games. It takes away from the things they see as most enjoyable, i.e. ball contact, movement and play. Therefore, it takes away part of their motivation and enjoyment. Control freaks need not apply for coaching jobs"
"A weakness of most coaches is that they pay scant attention to the leadership component of developing very young and adolescent players. Over time coaches usually develop reasonably astute tactical ability. They are “little commanders†moving men and weapons into different positions to create match-ups of superiority or hide areas of weakness. They have attended tactically focused coaching courses and read numerous books and magazine articles on strategic teaching and methods. These courses have convinced them that the best way to get success is to use what technical skills and leadership ability their players already have to steal the win against the next opponent. They have wrongly convinced themselves that finding the best way to arrange and use the troops to win is the main purpose of good coaching."
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"If we as parents succeed in bringing up children who are very quickly able to identify the right thing to do from a menu of available options, (some bad, some questionable, some good), we have succeeded by most measures of good parenting. If the ability to make the right choice becomes automatic without need for reflection or contemplation we have truly raised an exceptional human being. Unfortunately the traditional methods of coaching team sports to "win" in the statistical sense have built in ethical and moral abuses that train opposite, damaging and extremely undesirable life perspectives. Classic examples of these would be trash talking, minor fouls off the ball, cuts, bench-sitting, pigeonholing, time-wasting."
"Modern knowledge of soccer tactics and systems has allowed us to manipulate statistical results and control players in restrictive ways to their detriment. This is a fact that becomes clearer each day as creative development dies and our players fail to achieve their potential. Indeed by disconnecting us from creative license traditional win/profit oriented coaching has led us into actions so inharmonious with developmental reality that a character catastrophe seems inevitable for our players if we stay the course. Win oriented coaching methods, far from telling the truth about how we develop character are myths meant to feed our fading fantasy of ego based coach power and control. If we dare to move beyond our fear of losing to practice coaching as a form of creative character development we might abandon our illusion of control and enter into a partnership with parents in developing truly brilliant humans with spectacular character. By optimizing our most purist selves we might teach more clearly the actions that are life-empowering and in the process participate more fully in establishing human destiny and the destiny of the world than we do in our quest for control, winning and profits. This relational way of coaching, in which creative character development takes away fear and optimal self-determination replaces control, is a way of teaching that can help us develop phenomenally capable young men and women, the capacity for elite connectedness and truly great team interaction in life."
"as a group our coaches will focus more on creative indiviudal skill and its use in the game for much longer than traditionally the case.
Children should not be subjected to some of the things we take for granted in team sports. Children should not "sit the bench", be taught to kick the ball out of play, be cut from their club (Streaming is educationally essential where the child is struggling), be pigeonholed into one position etc.
The list of child abuses, accepted by otherwise good parents, in our team sports culture is very long and ugly.
Locally there are coaches that are excellent, somewhat good, average, poor or frankly disgusting in their emphasis.
My objective here is to educate open-minded parents to recognize the differences and take their children to the good coaches. It is also to get misguided coaches to adopt less damaging methods.
I fully realize that many coaches I perceive to be doing the wrong things read this forum. To these powerful individuals I would like to point out, (and others from my past coaching life in the community will attest to this), that I used to follow tradition and used every abusive method of coaching that I now abhor, to win games.
Yes, I am the reformed child abuser and I live with the guilt of taking kids hundreds of miles to tournaments and not playing them much in my quest to win. I live with the guilt of having encouraged my players to foul to win. I have wrongly kept players in one position for years because I needed their specialist skills in that role to get the win and build my own ego. The list of my own weaknesses and ignorance is long and humbling.
I long ago abandoned the selfish way (Isn't that interesting for someone who encourages great individual skill). It is now all about each one of my club players not me.
I want every player to leave my club relatively stronger in every department of character than before they joined.
The only way I have been able to guarantee this is make each player phenomenally skillful first. After the skills have been taught we put the skill under ever increasing pressure so that the creativity is richly entwined with a great work-ethic, quick intelligence and excellent physiology."
"What made you see the error of your ways Andy?
Multiple confrontations with parents who informed me that they were unhappy with my actions. E.g. sitting their child on the bench and crushing self-concept in the process.
Was it a series of events or a particular event?
A series for sure!!
What is the biggest difference you have seen?
I've got more wrinkles and my eyesight is fading!
Seriously though, with the onset of ranking systems for those as young as 8 or 9 and the intense media exposure winners and losers in all strata of society are given, our culture is more cynical and soul destroying than ever before. The culture is moving more towards the short-term team win instead of towards the individual win that leads to long-term success. Funnily enough the long-term perspective inevitably leads to team wins because of the positive individual development enjoyed at every stage of the process.
With regard to my own players I can directly relate the relative life success of the individuals involved to the amount of time those kids spent with me. For example the players from the two teams I coached longest from 4, 5 and 6 years of age through to college recruitment have enjoyed inordinate levels of individual leadership and societal success at a very young age. The parents and players attribute much of this creative leadership capability to the way in which they were taught to think creatively and explore new ways to look at life through the Legends approach. I'm equally sure that if these same kids had been taught to play the restricted roles typical of most premier teams their unique creative capabilities wouldn't have been developed to the same degree. Anyone who understands the science of nurture and believes that role models have a positive influence should be able to see the logic in this.
What is the difference in a kid now vs then?
Kids are becoming less fit at an earlier age. Kids today (as opposed to when I started the club) have so many distractions. They spend less time on the physical and more time on the mentally stimulating, entertainment side of life. They relate less face to face and more in cyberspace. Consequently, the need for creative, athletic training in organized, (yet ambiguity promoting), situations has never been greater or more crucially important. The great problem is that ambiguity is rarely promoted in "organized" environments. Therefore, child creative conflict resolution skills and ambiguity embracement has to now be built into the "organized" experience (How about that for Ying and Yang!!).
How can you tell you are instilling some of these values that you talk about?
Objective and subjective feedback.
Objective feedback would be such things as the Legends alumni list, leadership positions achieved by Legends alumni.
Subjective feedback comes from ex-players and their parents who believe the philosophy as been a powerful positive factor in alumni success.
I hope this helps."
"Families exist to love, educate, support and cherish. Businesses exist to make money. Youth soccer, premier or otherwise, should be run by family values where enjoyment, effort, creative character development and support are paramount. Professional soccer is run by business values where results and winning are the most vital objectives. In between are the high school and college environments. Some high school teams have coaches who run their teams with extreme “win at all cost†business type values. Conversely some colleges have programs that are operated with a loving and supportive family type structure. As an educator and mentor I believe firmly in maintaining a “family†style coaching culture through college. I believe that collegiate graduation is the absolute earliest that a young person should have their individual horizons restricted by an emphasis on winning versus development.
Unfortunately for many youth players we live in a “perform or perish, win at all costs, profit or perdition†company/business type culture. We are often valued for what we produce rather than because we make our best effort. If a youth coach assigns value based upon day-to-day productivity, she is helping instill a warped adult system of value judgment into a child’s personality. Throughout life, children and adults need to be shown that their existence has value whether or not they are successful in the business/profit sense of the word. Children need to be educated to try their very best in every important situation that demands 100% effort. This is a gradual “step by step†process. For children to experiment and maximize their creative potential they need a 100% effort “reward for risk†education. If children are to be freed from the bonds of “perform or perish†coaching they must taught that it is the effort and risk, not the result, that counts. "
"The coach must hold the superstar to the same set of effort values as the rest of the players. Coaches must teach children that each player on the team is just as important as another by valuing individual uniqueness, even when aware of shortcomings. When you respect your players and focus on their positive qualities they are freer to learn and grow in all directions. If the coach approaches player education from this perspective a greater percentage of their students will develop and achieve to a much higher level. Those who claim that the potential superstar will be held back in a family culture couldn’t be more wrong. The potential superstar on most “business style†teams becomes “spoiled†because they are an excessive focus of the team. In this scenario the superstar becomes the assigned coaching and player target for most passes because he can help the team win more often. He gets more playing time, more recognition and more adulation. All of which sounds great until the long-term psychological cost is totaled up. With any type of preferential treatment that hasn’t been earned through a genuine greater effort than given by peers, there is a psychological tendency to expect even greater unjustified preferential treatment in the future. When the bubble bursts, as it eventually has to, the superstar is left with a warped entitlement expectation and a reduced capacity to give genuine effort in environments where he or she doesn’t “rule the roostâ€. The superstar syndrome is often exposed in the transition stage between youth and adult soccer. A tremendous percentage of youth superstars who were tipped for the “big-time†never make it. One of the main reasons for this is the false sense of self-concept and poor work ethic created by youth coaches and parents who give them, or expect them to receive, preferential treatment. Often misguided coaches use gifted players to achieve the win instead of using each practice or game to teach them the 100% effort, risk for reward attitude and skills needed to develop them to maximum potential."
"If the coach adopts a fair and unified “reward for risk†approach, each of his players will feel cherished as a person and this will help optimize personal growth, fuel competency and build self-respect. Much more importantly each child will feel that he is important and worthwhile regardless of his competence. Performance growth and success builds the personal sense of being valuable, while being cherished as a person, nurtures the feeling of being loved.
Every child needs to feel both loved and worthwhile. However, whether in soccer or in life, lovability and respect must be tied to effort not outcomes. This is because personal effort and the self-concept attached is 100% under each child’s control. The more a young player feels respected, the more he likes himself and the more likely he is to perform in satisfactory ways. Therefore, the coach should always attach love, recognition and respect to the desirable and manageable effort factor, instead of attaching undue importance to uncertain and unmanageable outcomes."
"The disease of winning permeates our sports to the degree that most coaches will position players as young as 6 years of age and keep them in that pigeonhole during practice and games for a whole season. This rigid positioning is limiting at any age. Positioning (pigeonholing) is done to maximize the team’s chances of winning the next league or scheduled tournament. Unfortunately the end result is a player who sees the game from only one perspective and learns only the limited skills, tactics, fitness and psychology demanded of that position. In Paul Gardner’s excellent book “Soccer Talk†he quotes Columbia University coach Dieter Ficken, “The moment that you have a plan that the players must follow, you’re immediately playing non-soccer. In a game, players under pressure will play to their strengths. The moment you start giving them roles, then the players are not playing their game, but a game the coach perceives as soccer.†Kids love to play and create. They will spend hours setting up their toys and constructing imaginary scenarios. The natural tendency to be diverse, creative and adventurous is often stifled by the coach who sees the game from a rigid, organizational, win-oriented, perspective. The inexperienced young player wants to learn and grow. She needs to be encouraged to experiment. She desires the ball and wants to be taught to do amazing creative things with it. The last thing she wants to do is share it with a teammate. The normal child desires fun through the satisfaction of the need for active play. This involves great movement and lots of contact with the ball in a creative, free spirited manner. However, most coaches ask their players to play a position. They first try to give their team structure. Young kids don’t want or need positional structure in their games. It takes away from the things they see as most enjoyable, i.e. ball contact, movement and play. Therefore, it takes away part of their motivation and enjoyment. Control freaks need not apply for coaching jobs"
"A weakness of most coaches is that they pay scant attention to the leadership component of developing very young and adolescent players. Over time coaches usually develop reasonably astute tactical ability. They are “little commanders†moving men and weapons into different positions to create match-ups of superiority or hide areas of weakness. They have attended tactically focused coaching courses and read numerous books and magazine articles on strategic teaching and methods. These courses have convinced them that the best way to get success is to use what technical skills and leadership ability their players already have to steal the win against the next opponent. They have wrongly convinced themselves that finding the best way to arrange and use the troops to win is the main purpose of good coaching."
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