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    What is "fair" treatment?

    Originally posted by Fred M.
    IMO the majority of parents in the US just expect their children to be treated fairly.
    I would agree with this. A few may have a difference of opinion with the coaches over what 'fair' is but I find when teams are treated fairly that it is usually recognized.
    What is "fair" treatment? What are the areas that lead to a difference of opinion between coaches and players? How are those differences remedied?

    #2
    My child has had a variety of coaches and with every coach there was someone ( and at time several players ) who thought the coach was unfair.

    The coach who was most successful and appreciated though, made the biggest effort to teach everyone the game. That did not mean, everyone got equal playing time but it meant that if the player did not get a good amount of playing time the coach told them why they didn't and what they needed to do in order to be able to contribute on the field. He was always willing to explain and made time to help the players who needed it. He was also very good about communicating with all the players and parents and didn't selectively associate with the "star" players. He created a wonderful team atmosphere for his players.

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      #3
      What is "fair" treatment? What are the areas that lead to a difference of opinion between coaches and players? How are those differences remedied?
      I believe that most differences of opinion concern the relative contributions of the player(s). A coach may feel that a player isnt as productive or reliable as the parent(s) do. I had a parent recently that thought their player was playing too much, that she maybe didnt belong on the team and possibly wouldnt try out for the team again. The player was a sometimes starter, an excellent but smallish player. She came back to tryouts and is a solid starter now.

      I have had parents that considered their child to be far more productive than I did also.

      It is very subjective and there can be biases involved.

      'Fairness' to me would be a situation where a coach was considered to be unbiased and making reasonable judgements about the teams players and getting all the players into the games as much as possible while still maintaining the teams competitiveness. Substitution patterns could well look different against stronger or weaker opponents but would hopefully balance out over the year.

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        #4
        It would be fair if teams did not carry 18 players on their teams. It would be better if 17 and 18 play on the B team or have the understanding that they will not see much playing time but will benefit from practice with the team. U-13 and up should not carry more then 16 on their roster.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Anonymous
          It would be fair if teams did not carry 18 players on their teams. It would be better if 17 and 18 play on the B team or have the understanding that they will not see much playing time but will benefit from practice with the team. U-13 and up should not carry more then 16 on their roster.
          Here is the why some coaches would not think of carrying less than 18 on their roste. Too many times the coaches allow the prima donna parents let their kids miss practices and games and the win-first coaches don't want to be caught short. So the coaches let prima donnas miss games, the coaches then play playes 17 and 18 a bit, but as soon as prima donna is back it is back to the bench for 17 and 18.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Fred M.
            What is "fair" treatment? What are the areas that lead to a difference of opinion between coaches and players? How are those differences remedied?
            I believe that most differences of opinion concern the relative contributions of the player(s). A coach may feel that a player isnt as productive or reliable as the parent(s) do. I had a parent recently that thought their player was playing too much, that she maybe didnt belong on the team and possibly wouldnt try out for the team again. The player was a sometimes starter, an excellent but smallish player. She came back to tryouts and is a solid starter now.

            I have had parents that considered their child to be far more productive than I did also.

            It is very subjective and there can be biases involved.

            'Fairness' to me would be a situation where a coach was considered to be unbiased and making reasonable judgements about the teams players and getting all the players into the games as much as possible while still maintaining the teams competitiveness. Substitution patterns could well look different against stronger or weaker opponents but would hopefully balance out over the year.
            Many have commented that you do not know how to make tactical adjustments during games, and this becomes even more important at the older ages.

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              #7
              Me personally?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Anonymous
                Originally posted by Fred M.
                What is "fair" treatment? What are the areas that lead to a difference of opinion between coaches and players? How are those differences remedied?
                I believe that most differences of opinion concern the relative contributions of the player(s). A coach may feel that a player isnt as productive or reliable as the parent(s) do. I had a parent recently that thought their player was playing too much, that she maybe didnt belong on the team and possibly wouldnt try out for the team again. The player was a sometimes starter, an excellent but smallish player. She came back to tryouts and is a solid starter now.

                I have had parents that considered their child to be far more productive than I did also.

                It is very subjective and there can be biases involved.

                'Fairness' to me would be a situation where a coach was considered to be unbiased and making reasonable judgements about the teams players and getting all the players into the games as much as possible while still maintaining the teams competitiveness. Substitution patterns could well look different against stronger or weaker opponents but would hopefully balance out over the year.
                Many have commented that you do not know how to make tactical adjustments during games, and this becomes even more important at the older ages.
                What has this got to do with the topic of fairness?
                Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by FSM
                  Originally posted by Anonymous
                  Originally posted by Fred M.
                  What is "fair" treatment? What are the areas that lead to a difference of opinion between coaches and players? How are those differences remedied?
                  I believe that most differences of opinion concern the relative contributions of the player(s). A coach may feel that a player isnt as productive or reliable as the parent(s) do. I had a parent recently that thought their player was playing too much, that she maybe didnt belong on the team and possibly wouldnt try out for the team again. The player was a sometimes starter, an excellent but smallish player. She came back to tryouts and is a solid starter now.

                  I have had parents that considered their child to be far more productive than I did also.

                  It is very subjective and there can be biases involved.

                  'Fairness' to me would be a situation where a coach was considered to be unbiased and making reasonable judgements about the teams players and getting all the players into the games as much as possible while still maintaining the teams competitiveness. Substitution patterns could well look different against stronger or weaker opponents but would hopefully balance out over the year.
                  Many have commented that you do not know how to make tactical adjustments during games, and this becomes even more important at the older ages.
                  What has this got to do with the topic of fairness?
                  It goes both ways, and others can have opinions about his tactical coaching abilities that differ from his view .

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                    #10
                    I really dont care that much what 'Guest' thinks of my abilty...I am not even sure he/she was commenting on it. I was just asking if I was reading it right.

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                      #11
                      It goes both ways, and others can have opinions about his tactical coaching abilities that differ from his view .
                      How was this related to the topic?! Talk about someone having an internet pr machine! Trolling around looking for any old spot to stick in some negative jabs. Pretty sure this is the same guy who jumps in on anything Scorpions-related yelling "Prove it! Prove it!" while banging his head against a wall to get himself all juiced up.

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                        #12
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                        How was this related to the topic?! Talk about someone having an internet pr machine! Trolling around looking for any old spot to stick in some negative jabs. Pretty sure this is the same guy who jumps in on anything Scorpions-related yelling "Prove it! Prove it!" while banging his head against a wall to get himself all juiced up.[/quote]

                        Fred M. commented that questions of fairness arise when players/parents have a diffferent opinion about players productivity than he. A related and fair question is why so many other people have a somewhat negative opinion about his tactical coaching abilities relative to other high level youth coaches.

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                          #13
                          Fred M. commented that questions of fairness arise when players/parents have a diffferent opinion about players productivity than he. A related and fair question is why so many other people have a somewhat negative opinion about his tactical coaching abilities relative to other high level youth coaches.
                          Like all of your other posts on the site, there is no relevance. If you wanted to be relevant to the point you mention, then you would question his scouting ability or his fairness. Tactics are a different subject. You in a cowardly way reference "why so many other people" have a negative opinion. Can you cite these people? Can you explain why his results aren't impacted, or are you going to insist yet again that only the U11 teams have done well????

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                            #14
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                            . Tactics are a different subject. You in a cowardly way reference "why so many other people" have a negative opinion. ?[/quote]

                            Exuse me, I am sorry. No one is allowed to have an opinion different than Fred and the Scorpion PR dept. Fred is a tremendous tactical coach, and is as good if not better than all the other coaches, and a players playing time will never be impacted by his tactical decisions and strategies.

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                              #15
                              Exuse me, I am sorry. No one is allowed to have an opinion different than Fred and the Scorpion PR dept. Fred is a tremendous tactical coach, and is as good if not better than all the other coaches, and a players playing time will never be impacted by his tactical decisions and strategies.
                              You didn't express an opinion. You provocatively made an accusation that you can't back up, and you only made the accusation to create an impression that you know to be patently false. What is your record and tactical resume, by the way? You wouldn't happen to be affiliated with one of those 2nd or 3rd tier clubs, would you? Don't worry, no one is expecting you to actually answer any question that is posed to you.

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