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    High School Soccer and the Academies

    Many are anticipating the end of high school soccer for those players in the new USSF Development Academy Program. From the LA Times:

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    Soccer's split decision
    Some elite Southland athletes must decide whether to play with their school or their club team.
    January 16 2008

    Chris Cummings is one of the nation's top high school soccer players, a quick and aggressive forward-midfielder described by his coach as "electric" and "charismatic."

    He was looking forward to playing his senior season with his best friends at Encino Crespi High before moving on to UCLA in the fall on a soccer scholarship.

    Instead, he attends Crespi games in street clothes, "dying to get out there," Coach Rob Kodama said, but barred from playing by a collision of interests that is causing angst in youth sports circles.

    Cummings isn't alone in his frustration. One by one, dozens of the top players in Southern California have disappeared from their high school teams so they can play for private clubs in a program created last year by the U.S. Soccer Federation to groom promising young talent for international competition.

    With boys' high school soccer played during the fall in most of the nation, the development program was slated to run from November through early summer, generally avoiding conflict. But in weather-friendly, soccer-mad Southern California, the high school season is contested in winter, posing a dilemma for dozens of top players.

    The local clubs in the program, as well as the California Interscholastic Federation, the governing body for high school sports in the state, say the athletes can't play for their clubs and schools at the same time. So most of the players faced with a choice have opted to join the development program, with its top-tier coaching and competition stoking dreams of college, professional and international play.

    In the last 20 years or so, club sports have become big business, with private coaches being paid thousands of dollars to develop elite athletes -- and the parents of those athletes paying up to $7,000 a year to participate.

    Club programs in most sports have generally tried to steer clear of the high school seasons, though some clashes have occurred. National high school sports officials say the soccer program marks the most extensive collision to date, and worry that other club programs might feel empowered to follow suit -- trampling tradition and siphoning off top talent, male and female, in a host of sports.

    For many high school coaches, the soccer situation has been a headache, or worse.

    "This is open-heart surgery," said Martin Stringer, coach at Santa Ana Mater Dei, which lost four starters to the development program. "We're hemorrhaging. It's the first blatant time kids have had to make a choice."

    The overlap issue was a major topic of discussion at this month's winter meetings of the National Federation of State High School Assns., said assistant director Mark Koski.

    With more than 7 million students participating in high school sports, Koski said his organization's main objective is to produce "lifelong positive citizens" and not necessarily Olympic champions. But the proliferation of club programs nationwide shows there's a growing pursuit of athletic excellence.

    "It's definitely a concern to us because it means fewer participants at the high school level," Koski said. "The concern is how many other sports are going to come along."

    John Hackworth, director of the development program, said U.S. Soccer encourages participants also to play for their high school teams. He said the six elite club programs in the Southland -- Irvine Strikers, Pateadores, Real SoCal, L.A. Football Club, Arsenal and Chivas -- decided on their own to require their players to pick between the club and high school teams.

    "We are not telling them they have to make that choice," Hackworth said.

    At a meeting last week, commissioners from the 10 CIF sections discussed whether to alter the state rule that bans most athletes from competing simultaneously with their school and club teams, but took no action.

    "I don't see us revising it in the near future," said CIF executive director Marie Ishida.

    Loosening the rules could provoke outcries that athletes would be spending too much time playing and practicing, affecting their studies.

    In Europe and South America, meanwhile, professional teams recruit, develop and pay for the young talent that will play for their national teams. In the United States, where the storied women's soccer team has won World Cup and Olympic championships and inspired a generation of girls, pressure was building to create comparable success for the men, leading to formation of the program.

    "This is the first step in a long marathon to take care of youth soccer," said Marwan Ass'ad, director of coaching for Calabasas' Real SoCal. "In other countries, when you're 18 years old, you can be sold for $5 million. How do you produce those players? You can't produce world-class players in high school soccer."

    Cummings is Real SoCal's top player. As a sophomore, he helped Crespi win its first league title in 20 years. Last January, he left for a six-month stint at U.S. Soccer's full-time residency program at the IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla., training with 40 players vying for spots on the U.S. team composed of top players younger than 17.

    "It was a good experience, one you couldn't pass up," he said.

    Cummings trained in the morning and went to school in the afternoon, with all expenses paid by U.S. Soccer. He kept track of Crespi's season by calling his classmates on the phone.

    Back at Crespi for his senior year, he played in one game in December but is no longer on the team because Real SoCal won't allow it.

    "It was pretty hard," Cummings said of his decision not to play for Crespi this season. "I couldn't go back to my club team if I quit."

    Said Ass'ad: "Chris Cummings is one of our brightest stars. Who knows how far he can go? Our hopes rely on his development. In this plan, he will play in 22 competitive games in the next six months."

    Some high school coaches say it would be wrong to advise a player to turn down the development program.

    "We're powerless," said Mark Sobel, coach at the Sherman Oaks Center for Enriched Studies. "There's nothing we can do. They say, 'It's your choice,' but if I had the opportunity to travel to Florida or Europe, what would you do?"

    Still, they rail at what they say is a harmful incursion.

    "It's part of the American teenage culture, and they're taking it away," Mater Dei's Stringer said. "You're penalizing kids for being good soccer players."

    Added Crespi's Kodama: "In the big picture, high school sports is extremely special because of the memories. In club, there's no school to come back to, no hall to walk back through. The kids are going to be the ones who lose out."

    But not every elite player has ditched his high school mates for the dream of international play.

    Senior goalie Grant Windes and junior midfielder Austin McAnena quit their club teams rather than give up playing for Santa Margarita.

    "It was a hard choice," Windes said. "For me, club is real serious. You really improve your skills. But in high school, you're with your friends."

    eric.sondheimer@latimes.com
    Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.

    #2
    This is an ussue in the south as well where the HS soccer season is the spring.

    The Academy program is going to have t adopt a consistemt policy one way or the other.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Anonymous
      This is an ussue in the south as well where the HS soccer season is the spring.

      The Academy program is going to have t adopt a consistemt policy one way or the other.
      For some players it will be the right move and there will be a payoff. For others, unfortunately, they will be cast aside by the clubs when they no longer fulfill their needs or become expendable. Time will only tell if the club memories have more value than those they missed out on in HS. My gut feeling is that they do not.

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        #4
        What experiences are you talking about Cujo. The one whee a junior or sophmore gets pushed into doing things they should not ie alcohol by older players at the so important team parties. Those parties seem to happen at least twice a week. Do not say it does not happen because I know it does for a fact. It seems to be overlooked because it is a school event.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Anonymous
          What experiences are you talking about Cujo. The one whee a junior or sophmore gets pushed into doing things they should not ie alcohol by older players at the so important team parties. Those parties seem to happen at least twice a week. Do not say it does not happen because I know it does for a fact. It seems to be overlooked because it is a school event.
          So are you saying that all HS sports should be banned because of hazing. I coached HS for 6 years and never had a single incident of hazing. My players knew it was forbidden. My nephew was one of the best GK in Va during the 90's - was heavily recruited by D1 and played 1 year in the A league. His club strongly pushed him to skip HS soccer his senior year. he told them to pound sand. It had zero negative impact on his opportunities and he is glad he did it. Sports is about more than victories and wins and personal achievement. For most athletes, the experience of being part of something that is bigger than yourself is a driving force. This is hard for people to understand who are wrapped up in the me me me I I I world of self agrandizement and that are raising their kids to be mercenarial, materialistic, and acquisitive. Read the Inner Game of Tennis and see if you can understand the different value of the intrinsic vs the extrinsic. It is a lesson than many parents are failing to impart on their children and our society suffers for it. It is more than about sports BTW.

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            #6
            Cujo the post about hazing has nothing to do with your nephew. I do not beleive the poster said anything about not playing HS either. The poster just stated that it happens and gets brushed under the carpet. Again Cujo you made the post about you and your experiences.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Anonymous
              What experiences are you talking about Cujo. The one whee a junior or sophmore gets pushed into doing things they should not ie alcohol by older players at the so important team parties. Those parties seem to happen at least twice a week. Do not say it does not happen because I know it does for a fact. It seems to be overlooked because it is a school event.
              FYI - I just had a 30 year reunion with my HS soccer team. Lots of talk about team parties, curfews, beating our crosstown rival TWICE, making it to tournament, joking with our coach interspersed with memories of Algonquin kicking our butts in the semis. (What else is new...). My Senior HS season remains one of the best memories I have and I there is a lifetime bond with my teammates that remains strong to this day. I played legion baseball (essentially club) - the last time I saw one of those teammates was the day I drove out of the parking lot after last game of my last season.

              My daughter still sees and talks regularly with many of her HS teammates. As for her club teammates - some of whom she played with for four seasons? I will let you take a guess.

              If you cannot understand the difference between the two it is not worth it to explain it to you. What is it you were saying BTW?

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                #8
                Cujo who cares about your experiences. Why is it about you AGAIN. The last poster was right it always turns into your experiences. Who cares you made the tournament TWICE (not sure why you had to capitilise that).

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Anonymous
                  Who cares you made the tournament TWICE (not sure why you had to capitilise that).
                  Cuz he's still living in the past.

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                    #10
                    Glory Days, they pass you by like the wink of a young girls eye... Cujo knows that virtually NO American hockey players come out of traditional public 4 year HS programs to play D1, D2 or even D3 college - never mind the pros. They go to prep schools or play Juniors. We can lament the change all we want, but just like my kids don't walk top school, read the Sunday funnies or drink fresh milk with creme on the top, things change.

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                      #11
                      I had a friend was a big baseball player back in high school. He could throw that speedball by you make you look like a fool, boy. Saw him the other night at this roadside bar. I was walking in, he was walking out. We went back inside sat down had a few drinks, but all he kept talking about was glory days. Now I think I'm going down to the well tonight and I'm going to drink till I get my fill. And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it, but I probably will. Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture a little of the glory of, well time slips away and leaves you with nothing mister, but boring stories of glory days.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Anonymous
                        Glory Days, they pass you by like the wink of a young girls eye... Cujo knows that virtually NO American hockey players come out of traditional public 4 year HS programs to play D1, D2 or even D3 college - never mind the pros. They go to prep schools or play Juniors. We can lament the change all we want, but just like my kids don't walk top school, read the Sunday funnies or drink fresh milk with creme on the top, things change.
                        Maybe that is why pro and college hockey so totally sucks these days, how about Roenick, Amonte, Mullen, Sacco, Brickley, Barrasso, Stevens, Donato etc - all local players and products of public and private HS's.

                        Todays college players are technically brilliant and fast but they cannot play the game like their predecessors did during hockey's peak in the 80's and 90's.

                        Let me ask you a legitimate question. How many of the great women from the USWNT during their years of dominance skipped HS soccer?

                        You are all assuming that this change is for the better but I do not think that it is guaranteed to produce a better product. Baseball, Basketball and Football still derive virtually all of their players from the HS / College system. Now tell me what two sports in Boston are the least popular and which three are the most popular. As always the geniuses in here think that somehow soccer is exempt from the forces that have produced great athletes in this country for the last bajillion years. You think that throwing MONEY at a sport is guaranteed to produce an athlete that can reach the highest levels. Nice try but WRONG!!!!!!!!!

                        BTW - I was pointing out that we beat our cross-town rival twice and not that we made tournament. What are your memories of HS?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cujo
                          Originally posted by Anonymous
                          What experiences are you talking about Cujo. The one whee a junior or sophmore gets pushed into doing things they should not ie alcohol by older players at the so important team parties. Those parties seem to happen at least twice a week. Do not say it does not happen because I know it does for a fact. It seems to be overlooked because it is a school event.
                          So are you saying that all HS sports should be banned because of hazing.
                          What did you say your IQ was again?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Cujo
                            Originally posted by Anonymous
                            Glory Days, they pass you by like the wink of a young girls eye... Cujo knows that virtually NO American hockey players come out of traditional public 4 year HS programs to play D1, D2 or even D3 college - never mind the pros. They go to prep schools or play Juniors. We can lament the change all we want, but just like my kids don't walk top school, read the Sunday funnies or drink fresh milk with creme on the top, things change.
                            Maybe that is why pro and college hockey so totally sucks these days, how about Roenick, Amonte, Mullen, Sacco, Brickley, Barrasso, Stevens, Donato etc - all local players and products of public and private HS's.

                            Todays college players are technically brilliant and fast but they cannot play the game like their predecessors did during hockey's peak in the 80's and 90's.

                            Let me ask you a legitimate question. How many of the great women from the USWNT during their years of dominance skipped HS soccer?

                            You are all assuming that this change is for the better but I do not think that it is guaranteed to produce a better product. Baseball, Basketball and Football still derive virtually all of their players from the HS / College system. Now tell me what two sports in Boston are the least popular and which three are the most popular. As always the geniuses in here think that somehow soccer is exempt from the forces that have produced great athletes in this country for the last bajillion years. You think that throwing MONEY at a sport is guaranteed to produce an athlete that can reach the highest levels. Nice try but WRONG!!!!!!!!!

                            BTW - I was pointing out that we beat our cross-town rival twice and not that we made tournament. What are your memories of HS?
                            This from an article on the recent explosion of US talent into the NHL:

                            'Last summer, forward Patrick Kane of Buffalo was selected first overall by the Chicago Blackhawks in the 2007 entry draft and then Philadelphia selected forward James vanRiemsdyk of Middleton, N.J. with the second pick, the first time in draft history that American-born players went 1-2. Kane was the sixth American to go first overall, following Johnson, New York Islanders goalie Rick DiPietro (2000), Bryan Berard (1995), Modano (1988) and Brian Lawton (1983).

                            Even the old guard can’t help but take notice. "When I look at the top prospects and I see that two U.S. players have gone one and two, it gives me a great sense of pride in our country and the development of its players," Modano said.

                            It’s much more than a matter of quantity, though. These young Americans are all about quality. This is the best crop of U.S. talent to enter the league since the mid-1980s produced Chelios, Modano, Guerin, Jeremy Roenick, Keith Tkachuk, Phil Housley, Brian Leetch and Mike Richter, players who were the nucleus of Team USA’s win at the 1996 World Cup of Hockey. '

                            As for the Old Guard of US Women's soccer. All are currently in their late 30s or 40's and some have been out of HS for 30+ years. Akers and Chastain were fabulous HS players. Fawcett was also a more traditional HS product. Hamm, Lilly and Foudy made the national team as mid teens (Hamm @15, Lilly and Foudy @ 16) so I think it would be fair to say that they did not compete regularly for their HS squads.

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                              #15
                              And the high school experience that I had 20 years ago was great, but it was the only option available. The options that our kids have are broader and more varied. The HS experience that my 1st child is currently experiencing stinks!!! and it's not about PT - it's about the quality of the product that is being offered (coaching, administration, no school pride, etc.). Oddly my experience as a female not long after Ti tle IX was much better than we're seeing in our town now.

                              Yes playing on the local HS teams means being with your classmates and not having to drive them all over the place. But the friendships made through club soccer and other sports based out of town have been mostly great. The club soccer friends have many similar interests, they just don't live down the street. The experiences traveling, staying in hotels and hanging around at tournaments are very different than the local HS experience. Both have merits, and it would be great if the 2 could co-exist. Problem is there are too many parties on both sides saying "you have to choose". We're not ready to choose, but if pushed the case for the club is pretty compelling. HS is definitely cheaper, but it's been so disappointing......

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