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Dont be to sure about that, the structure these clubs have in place is as good as any club around. Fuller and CRU have no structure. Bolts did not have a structure in place because if they did they would have been able to promote within the club when JK left. I know it is tough for some of you to hear but the Scorps and Stars are going to be around for quite a while

Please define club structure. Who replaces JD if he leaves the Stars for a college coaching job for example?[/quote]

Are you kidding me, college pays no where near as much as what he gets from Stars.

I know he turned down 2 high profile DOC jobs in other parts of the country. Why would he want to leave? He has been at the Stars from the start when he had one team.

#1, any transfer needs to be approved by the player. i thinik fsm referenced that back in the old days teams used to get rid players after the fall, when it's always been against usys rules. all transfers require the usys add/drop form and parent signature. this includes any movement from a to b team or older to younger team in a club. all are roster transfers. that's one of the reasons usclub soccer started, and teams like the ability to transfer players as they see fit.

i don't know this for a fact, but I think clubs that have a and b teams often take advantage of parents, or just circumvent the rules. some of the maple registrars will just approve a roster without doing the proper checks, some are very good at catching changes that require the add/drop paperwork.

i have no proof to say that clubs are breaking the rules, but i suspect some do.

#2, JD is never leaving stars. he's full time and deals with some of the best players around. JD and the Kerr are different types of people. For Kerr, the college job was always most important.

i think that in order for clubs to take the next step, across the country, not just here, they need to get away from using school coaches and find coaches who want to be entirely dedicated to the club and young player development. back years ago, the only qualified coaches were school coaches. that's not the case anymore. besides, school coaching and club coaching are so different, for developmental considerations clubs are far better off with coaches who know young players and know how to implement long term programming, versus dealing with older players in shorter terms.

guys like JD are perfect for this. The MPS guys are also total club guys.

Across the country there are more people that are doing this, and the country needs these types of players for proper long term develoment of youth players.

#2, JD is never leaving stars. he's full time and deals with some of the best players around. JD and the Kerr are different types of people. For Kerr, the college job was always most important


1 likes the money and the other likes to fuel his ego.

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#1, any transfer needs to be approved by the player. i thinik fsm referenced that back in the old days teams used to get rid players after the fall, when it's always been against usys rules. all transfers require the usys add/drop form and parent signature. this includes any movement from a to b team or older to younger team in a club. all are roster transfers. that's one of the reasons usclub soccer started, and teams like the ability to transfer players as they see fit.

i don't know this for a fact, but I think clubs that have a and b teams often take advantage of parents, or just circumvent the rules. some of the maple registrars will just approve a roster without doing the proper checks, some are very good at catching changes that require the add/drop paperwork.

i have no proof to say that clubs are breaking the rules, but i suspect some do.

I can recall players being dropped mid-season when my oldest daughter started playing back in the 90s. I can also recall their parents not being very happy about it, but I can't recall exactly how the situations (note the plural) occurred. I could be wrong, but I don't think that I am. I do know there is a difference between the national rules and the individual state rules, which can be different state to state. We've had similiar arguments before, in particular was the case of the player from Vardar who was dropped from his roster because he choose to attend his HS prom the Friday night before a tournament instead of making the 8 PM team meeting. Even though he then had the opportunity to play on a competing team, his club would not release him to do so. By the rules of Michigan Youth Soccer, the club was allowed to drop this player mid-season and the club did not have to release that player to play for another club.

The question about moving a Colorado player to play on the club's B team recently came up on the Big Soccer forum. The player's parents were told that the player would get more playing time on the B team. The opportunity to play on another club's A team arose and they decided to pursue that option rather than have their son play on the B team. The club was then unwilling to release the player even though they had already replaced him on the A team. One of the BS moderators looked up the Colorado Youth Soccer rules and there were only 3 circumstances where a player could be released involuntarily. In this case, none of those circumstances were met; however, the president of Kansas Youth Soccer posted the following:

Most States' rules on when a player may be released restrict a team's or club's ability to "drop" a player. To "get around" these restrictions clubs for years (this happened to my son 18 years ago) simply do not play the child until the parent asks for the release.

If the club is smart the player has not been dropped, they are still on the roster, but unlike recreational soccer there are no rules on playing time with a specific team. They have moved him to the second team for training and depending on league rules for games.

Is it ethical? No. Is it good business practice, given that people do talk? No. But, is it against the rules? No, again. Because it is not against the rules there is little anyone can do.

For whatever it is worth, my advice is get a release, ask for your money and go elsewhere. Chalk it up to learning. This is one of the issues people should investigate ahead of time, but at young ages parents rarely know the right questions to ask. This is how you learn.

I'm not up-to-date on the rules in Mass., but assume this could not happen here.

1 likes the money and the other likes to fuel his ego.

This is very harsh and untrue, I know both JK and JD and any ego they both have they can back it up. Doesn't everyone like money? This is not what motivates these two individuals. There are many coaches in this state that are motivated by money alone and nothing else. Mass is lucky to have individuals like these two involved the development of its players. Those who do not agree have an agenda or are jealous because it is true. I am from neither Bolts or Stars and I can admit this.

Please define club structure. Who replaces JD if he leaves the Stars for a college coaching job for example?

The club's Board of Directors would find a replacement for him, just as the Bolts are looking to hire someone to replace John Kerr. I think the success of a club will be based on having a knowledgeable BOD who are there for the benefit of the club and the sport and not their own children. That is probably one of the biggest problems you find at the town level.

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Hey I have met both of them and they are down to earth good guys. They do as one said have different focuses JK was college and JD is all about club. As many have said though the successfull get bashed that is the way it is on here. I think both of them have taken teams to Nationals so they must be doing or have done something right? Its amazing how a U13 thread has turned into negative talking of individuals again. Another thread turned into Francis bashing.

The Francis bashing will let the trolls beat up something other then Fuller.

The Francis bashing will let the trolls beat up something other then Fuller.

Don't fall for that one, Fuller have brought this upon themselves. They are the dinosaurs of MA soccer.

Please define club structure. Who replaces JD if he leaves the Stars for a college coaching job for example?

The club's Board of Directors would find a replacement for him, just as the Bolts are looking to hire someone to replace John Kerr. I think the success of a club will be based on having a knowledgeable BOD who are there for the benefit of the club and the sport and not their own children. That is probably one of the biggest problems you find at the town level.

And at some of the smaller clubs. There is no oversight so it's all in one guy's hands - for better or worse. Usually it's for worse - takes a special person to run the club operationally, and to coach/oversee the coaching/training of players (of both genders and a wide spectrum of ages), and to manage the finances, and to market the club as needed, etc. Unfortunately have been involved with 2 clubs where one guy tried to do it all - and it didn't work/is not working at the current club.

Dont be to sure about that, the structure these clubs have in place is as good as any club around. Fuller and CRU have no structure.

Please define club structure. Who replaces JD if he leaves the Stars for a college coaching job for example?

Are you kidding me, college pays no where near as much as what he gets from Stars.

My real question was related to the club structure point and not the hypothetical JD leaving. What makes them different?

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Fundamentally the same

Nothing from the structure level makes Stars or Bolts different too much different. Neither would want to lose the inspirational leader at the top, but both are broad enough and deep enough clubs to flourish going forward.

On the topic of U13 girls from which this forum has digressed, I would suggest watching closely during this spring season. Regardless of whether scorpions or stars comes out on top, this is one of the most talented age groups to come along in a while. If you have been involved in girls soccer over the years you know that this spring season is typically the quantum leap for youth girls both mentally and physically. One or both of these teams will be a regional champion sometime in the next 3-5 years and perhaps go on to win nationals. No specific knock against any other team or club, but the talent on these two teams is of a very high caliber. Each will shed 2-3 lesser players over the ensuing years and add a little depth on the other side. FM is top notch and kirk is very solid but the core group of girls each team has will be the most impressive aspect. Club culture, coach and core strength is in place and these teams will be similar to or better than the classic stars/scorpions rivalries that have come up over the years. Stars MF is better while Scorpions strikers dominate today, but this could go back and forth 3 times over next two years. The overly physical play and dominating player w/o a supporting cast that you seen on some of the lesser teams will take a back seat to high quality team soccer like it always does and stars/scorps will shine above the competition.

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Nothing from the structure level makes Stars or Bolts different too much different. Neither would want to lose the inspirational leader at the top, but both are broad enough and deep enough clubs to flourish going forward.

On the topic of U13 girls from which this forum has digressed, I would suggest watching closely during this spring season. Regardless of whether scorpions or stars comes out on top, this is one of the most talented age groups to come along in a while. If you have been involved in girls soccer over the years you know that this spring season is typically the quantum leap for youth girls both mentally and physically. One or both of these teams will be a regional champion sometime in the next 3-5 years and perhaps go on to win nationals. No specific knock against any other team or club, but the talent on these two teams is of a very high caliber. Each will shed 2-3 lesser players over the ensuing years and add a little depth on the other side. FM is top notch and kirk is very solid but the core group of girls each team has will be the most impressive aspect. Club culture, coach and core strength is in place and these teams will be similar to or better than the classic stars/scorpions rivalries that have come up over the years. Stars MF is better while Scorpions strikers dominate today, but this could go back and forth 3 times over next two years. The overly physical play and dominating player w/o a supporting cast that you seen on some of the lesser teams will take a back seat to high quality team soccer like it always does and stars/scorps will shine above the competition.