U12 Girls

April 6, 2008 8pm 7-Eleven Parking Lot Braintree Center

Bandits soccer mom vs Scorps/exBandits soccer mom

No Hair Pulling

Re: Girls U-12

As for "INTER" they ran the coach out and with a bad group of parents and not what we were looking for ,we chose to look at her options. Our daughter was a guest player for the"Scorpians and still kept her commitments to Inter the same weekend and the Gracious coach "Billy" was so nice he sent us a drop form attached to an email and said move on.
Chris Hyde

All pretty typical from what I hear.

Are the old coach and the new coach related?

A lot of defending the Mom here, but her "note" above actually seems a little outrageous and reckless. And you don't expect any flak for being a "guest" player the same weekend as you are upholding your commitments to your current club? Think the Stars or Scorps might raise an eyebrow if they observed one of their rostered players doing a guest appearance for Puma, Crusaders, or Eagles? Don't see this story having a good ending....

A lot of defending the Mom here, but her "note" above actually seems a little outrageous and reckless. And you don't expect any flak for being a "guest" player the same weekend as you are upholding your commitments to your current club? Think the Stars or Scorps might raise an eyebrow if they observed one of their rostered players doing a guest appearance for Puma, Crusaders, or Eagles? Don't see this story having a good ending....

A lot of defending the Mom here, but her "note" above actually seems a little reckless. And you don't expect any flak for being a "guest" player the same weekend as you are upholding your commitments to your current club? Think the Stars or Scorps might raise an eyebrow if they observed one of their rostered players doing a guest appearance for Puma, Crusaders, or Eagles? Don't see this story having a good ending....

And you don't expect any flak for being a "guest" player the same weekend as you are upholding your commitments to your current club?

It's so laughable when we all talk about upholding commitments and owing the team for 11 year olds. We make moral judgements about right and wrong - "it's wrong to play 2 sports at the same time - you let your team down"; "it's wrong to miss a game or training session for just about any reason"; it's wrong to leave a team mid-season".

While I understand all about teams and commitments, I think we are forgetting that we are paying for our kids to have these experiences and they are still just kids. When they are adults and they sign non-compete clauses and contracts to be paid for the "work" they are performing, then they will be "on the hook" for their decisions. What we teach them now can help them build a frame of reference for their older years, but it's still not black and white and in most situations there is not only 1 right way of doing things.

Every situation is grey and we can all moralize about how we'd make different choices, but unless faced with the exact same situation with the exact same kid how do we really know?

Some of us get greedy and jump from club to club to club - eventually our reputations will proceed us. Others stay loyal to team or coach because we think that's the right thing to teach our kids, and sometimes it's a good lesson and other times our kids just get trampled or abused by a situation that we should have stopped much earlier - in these cases we say "it builds character".

None of us can really know why someone leaves a club mid-season - are they seizing an opportunity that may not be there later on; are they leaving because the current situation is intolerabe and it's leave or quit playing?; are they hedoistic and always need to be catered to and the current situation isn't living up to the expectation; are they in a situation that simply isn't living up to what was sold - could have been false advertising or mis-aligned expectations. It's easy to say - "I'd just stay put, that's wrong of them to do that" Maybe it is or maybe it's not. Maybe you'd take a different path - and maybe you'd be lauded for your choice OR maybe you'd be kicking yourself aftewards for how it was a bad decision.

Same goes for kids that have conflicts - other sports or ODP or whatever it might be. People say that's not fair to the team - While I can understand that point of view, how many of those who say it's not fair have ever been faced with the situation of making the same choice. I think it's hard for someone to say that even though Johnny is a great basketball player and a great soccer player he has to choose only 1 thing. If he and his family can work out most of the conflicts and the th coaches are okay with it - why is it a problem for others on the team who say it's so wrong? If they were truly in the same position as Johnny what would they do? They can't say because they aren't in the same spot. Eventually Johnny will have to choose or the conflicts will be so many that one or both teams will choose for him, but why should he be judged by some other kid's parent?

This forum can be great for sharing soccer ideas, but it really falls to ridiculous lows when we start judging others for their decisions about their kids.

And you don't expect any flak for being a "guest" player the same weekend as you are upholding your commitments to your current club?

It's so laughable when we all talk about upholding commitments and owing the team for 11 year olds. We make moral judgements about right and wrong - "it's wrong to play 2 sports at the same time - you let your team down"; "it's wrong to miss a game or training session for just about any reason"; it's wrong to leave a team mid-season".

While I understand all about teams and commitments, I think we are forgetting that we are paying for our kids to have these experiences and they are still just kids. When they are adults and they sign non-compete clauses and contracts to be paid for the "work" they are performing, then they will be "on the hook" for their decisions. What we teach them now can help them build a frame of reference for their older years, but it's still not black and white and in most situations there is not only 1 right way of doing things.

Every situation is grey and we can all moralize about how we'd make different choices, but unless faced with the exact same situation with the exact same kid how do we really know?

Some of us get greedy and jump from club to club to club - eventually our reputations will proceed us. Others stay loyal to team or coach because we think that's the right thing to teach our kids, and sometimes it's a good lesson and other times our kids just get trampled or abused by a situation that we should have stopped much earlier - in these cases we say "it builds character".

None of us can really know why someone leaves a club mid-season - are they seizing an opportunity that may not be there later on; are they leaving because the current situation is intolerabe and it's leave or quit playing?; are they hedoistic and always need to be catered to and the current situation isn't living up to the expectation; are they in a situation that simply isn't living up to what was sold - could have been false advertising or mis-aligned expectations. It's easy to say - "I'd just stay put, that's wrong of them to do that" Maybe it is or maybe it's not. Maybe you'd take a different path - and maybe you'd be lauded for your choice OR maybe you'd be kicking yourself aftewards for how it was a bad decision.

Same goes for kids that have conflicts - other sports or ODP or whatever it might be. People say that's not fair to the team - While I can understand that point of view, how many of those who say it's not fair have ever been faced with the situation of making the same choice. I think it's hard for someone to say that even though Johnny is a great basketball player and a great soccer player he has to choose only 1 thing. If he and his family can work out most of the conflicts and the th coaches are okay with it - why is it a problem for others on the team who say it's so wrong? If they were truly in the same position as Johnny what would they do? They can't say because they aren't in the same spot. Eventually Johnny will have to choose or the conflicts will be so many that one or both teams will choose for him, but why should he be judged by some other kid's parent?

This forum can be great for sharing soccer ideas, but it really falls to ridiculous lows when we start judging others for their decisions about their kids.

Great Post! :smt041

Who are we trying to fool. "if" this was Scorps/Bolts/Stars/MPS they would be getting hammered right now. Its true that when your are ontop, and Inter have been there people want to bring you down. What goes around comes around. I hope that families looking for a club read this post and make their own choice. Maple Board member and Head of a Club, very impressive.

Now that was a great post :smt041

And you don't expect any flak for being a "guest" player the same weekend as you are upholding your commitments to your current club?

It's so laughable when we all talk about upholding commitments and owing the team for 11 year olds. We make moral judgements about right and wrong - "it's wrong to play 2 sports at the same time - you let your team down"; "it's wrong to miss a game or training session for just about any reason"; it's wrong to leave a team mid-season".

While I understand all about teams and commitments, I think we are forgetting that we are paying for our kids to have these experiences and they are still just kids. When they are adults and they sign non-compete clauses and contracts to be paid for the "work" they are performing, then they will be "on the hook" for their decisions. What we teach them now can help them build a frame of reference for their older years, but it's still not black and white and in most situations there is not only 1 right way of doing things.

Every situation is grey and we can all moralize about how we'd make different choices, but unless faced with the exact same situation with the exact same kid how do we really know?

Some of us get greedy and jump from club to club to club - eventually our reputations will proceed us. Others stay loyal to team or coach because we think that's the right thing to teach our kids, and sometimes it's a good lesson and other times our kids just get trampled or abused by a situation that we should have stopped much earlier - in these cases we say "it builds character".

None of us can really know why someone leaves a club mid-season - are they seizing an opportunity that may not be there later on; are they leaving because the current situation is intolerabe and it's leave or quit playing?; are they hedoistic and always need to be catered to and the current situation isn't living up to the expectation; are they in a situation that simply isn't living up to what was sold - could have been false advertising or mis-aligned expectations. It's easy to say - "I'd just stay put, that's wrong of them to do that" Maybe it is or maybe it's not. Maybe you'd take a different path - and maybe you'd be lauded for your choice OR maybe you'd be kicking yourself aftewards for how it was a bad decision.

Same goes for kids that have conflicts - other sports or ODP or whatever it might be. People say that's not fair to the team - While I can understand that point of view, how many of those who say it's not fair have ever been faced with the situation of making the same choice. I think it's hard for someone to say that even though Johnny is a great basketball player and a great soccer player he has to choose only 1 thing. If he and his family can work out most of the conflicts and the th coaches are okay with it - why is it a problem for others on the team who say it's so wrong? If they were truly in the same position as Johnny what would they do? They can't say because they aren't in the same spot. Eventually Johnny will have to choose or the conflicts will be so many that one or both teams will choose for him, but why should he be judged by some other kid's parent?

This forum can be great for sharing soccer ideas, but it really falls to ridiculous lows when we start judging others for their decisions about their kids.

Tremendous ! This post should be at the beginning of this lengthy thread or conversely would have been a nice way to close this ridiculous thing out.

It would not be ridiculos if the Scorps, Stars, Bolts or MPS where involved. There would be people coming out of the woodwork to take a shot.

Lets get back to the game and the teams. Looks like an exciting spring any thoughts on how it will turn out. I see WU/STARS/FULLER are going to PDA so where is everyone else going this spring? Needham/Delta etc and whats the value of playing each other in Maple then in a local tournament and then again in the end of season tournament. Some of these teams could be seeing alot of each other.

It would not be ridiculos if the Scorps, Stars, Bolts or MPS where involved. There would be people coming out of the woodwork to take a shot.

Why does it make sense for this mantra to be repeated in so many places?

The Stars, Scorps, Bolts and MPS are the subject of 90% of the team/club specific discussion that happens on this board both positive and negative. The majority of the posters are people who are members of or identify with one of those 4 clubs.

Lets get back to the game and the teams. Looks like an exciting spring any thoughts on how it will turn out. I see WU/STARS/FULLER are going to PDA so where is everyone else going this spring? Needham/Delta etc and whats the value of playing each other in Maple then in a local tournament and then again in the end of season tournament. Some of these teams could be seeing alot of each other.

Stars & Western United are in the top division at PDA but not the same bracket they would both have to win thier brackets to have a chance at playing each other.

Fuller is in the 2nd division With CFC & FSA from CT.

[SoccerPhoenix]

Lets get back to the game and the teams. Looks like an exciting spring any thoughts on how it will turn out. I see WU/STARS/FULLER are going to PDA so where is everyone else going this spring? Needham/Delta etc and whats the value of playing each other in Maple then in a local tournament and then again in the end of season tournament. Some of these teams could be seeing alot of each other.

Stars & Western United are in the top division at PDA but not the same bracket they would both have to win thier brackets to have a chance at playing each other.

Fuller is in the 2nd division With CFC & FSA from CT.

Are the teams put in those brackets by past games vs. other teams in the tournament? By Mathman or other rankings? Sort of out of the loop on how teams are put in tournament "flights"