Maple Coaching Suspensions

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Serious question here.
In the past, when a coach was suspended by Maple for a rules violation, what was the protocol for this process? I assume that Maple has no obligation to post anything along the lines of its red card suspension list, though that certainly would be refreshingly candid. There is no public form for this information, am I right? Did the suspended coach just vanish for a season or two without any admission of guilt or sanction on the part of their club? Or was there a more formal and transparent process that I am not aware of?

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Serious question here.
In the past, when a coach was suspended by Maple for a rules violation, what was the protocol for this process? I assume that Maple has no obligation to post anything along the lines of its red card suspension list, though that certainly would be refreshingly candid. There is no public form for this information, am I right? Did the suspended coach just vanish for a season or two without any admission of guilt or sanction on the part of their club? Or was there a more formal and transparent process that I am not aware of?

That is a good question but on a side note, I think all previous red cards from year's past should be up there as well. It can help parents determine whether or not tehy want their kids going to a club where coaches keep getting tossed.

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That is a good question but on a side note, I think all previous red cards from year's past should be up there as well. It can help parents determine whether or not tehy want their kids going to a club where coaches keep getting tossed.

That's an interesting point. Maple actually has the ability to post a cumulative "report card" for its member clubs that would allow parents to look for trends, red flags, and positive signs. There as been way too little accountability in club soccer in this state for too long. Most parents have no clue what they are paying for or who they are getting involved with. Sure would be nice if an organization like Maple could work on educating the club soccer consumers around here. They could start with that multi year red card list and a lot more transparency about rules violations when they occurred.

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That's an interesting point. Maple actually has the ability to post a cumulative "report card" for its member clubs that would allow parents to look for trends, red flags, and positive signs. There as been way too little accountability in club soccer in this state for too long. Most parents have no clue what they are paying for or who they are getting involved with. Sure would be nice if an organization like Maple could work on educating the club soccer consumers around here. They could start with that multi year red card list and a lot more transparency about rules violations when they occurred.

This might cause a lot of coaches getting let go.

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I don't think so. Been doing this forever, and a coach getting red carded is very, very rare. Seeing that a coach had been carded more than once in a season, or several seasons in a row? That might wake up even the most winning crazed parent, regardless of the team's record.

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I don't think so. Been doing this forever, and a coach getting red carded is very, very rare. Seeing that a coach had been carded more than once in a season, or several seasons in a row? That might wake up even the most winning crazed parent, regardless of the team's record.

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I don't think so. Been doing this forever, and a coach getting red carded is very, very rare. Seeing that a coach had been carded more than once in a season, or several seasons in a row? That might wake up even the most winning crazed parent, regardless of the team's record.

good point. Rarely do you see cards given even though the coach is out of control toward the players and ref. The few mentioned in the abusive coach thread who are out of control rarely get cards.

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I don't think so. Been doing this forever, and a coach getting red carded is very, very rare. Seeing that a coach had been carded more than once in a season, or several seasons in a row? That might wake up even the most winning crazed parent, regardless of the team's record.

Coaches getting red cards is hardly a rare incident.

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Coaches getting red cards is hardly a rare incident.

The point is for every card handed out there are many un-carded incidents. So even a few cards is a very bad sign.

If this kind of information was more easily accessible over a long period of time, it might have an impact on the offending clubs which could actually serve as a deterrent to this kind of behavior. As it stands now, offenses are either dealt with behind closed doors or erased at the end of each season. Hard to get a big picture of disciplinary issues through two month windows of time, and the offending coaches know this.

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The point is for every card handed out there are many un-carded incidents. So even a few cards is a very bad sign.

If this kind of information was more easily accessible over a long period of time, it might have an impact on the offending clubs which could actually serve as a deterrent to this kind of behavior. As it stands now, offenses are either dealt with behind closed doors or erased at the end of each season. Hard to get a big picture of disciplinary issues through two month windows of time, and the offending coaches know this.

Interesting that this topic is also being addressed on the Coaching Abuse thread. Maple appears to have no effective way for dealing with either rule breaking or abuse. Maple always been a closed door boys club, and I don't see how it can ever step up to these issues. Perhaps NEP can handle this differently. Since it is co-run by the participating clubs, you would think there might be more public accountability involved.

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While red cards to a coach should be very, very rare - I don't think thats the case. AND I think that when / how they get handed out is completely ref dependent. No ref should have to take abuse, but some have very thin skin and others take it on the chin or they are so intimidated by an out of control coach that they do nothing.

I've seen a parent sideline warned because one parent makes what would be characterized as "private" comment to another parent and a rabbit-eared ref hears it ad flips out. Have also seen an infamous Maple yeller bring a young side-line ref to tears and nothing was done about it.

Do think it would be good for the red cards to live out there for a while, but a red card to a coach in and of itself may or may not always mean that the coach is a horrid individual. It's just another piece of informationt that parents could use to make informed decisions.

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Individual red cards can be meaningless, but multiples ones are a red flag, and red cards over multiple seasons means you have a problem worth knowing about.

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Individual red cards can be meaningless, but multiples ones are a red flag, and red cards over multiple seasons means you have a problem worth knowing about.

I completely disagree. One red card shows me the Coach has no self control. What does he she do when no ref is watching? 1 out of 1,000 or so Red cards may be "unearned" but still.... Multiple red cards is a sign of a personality disorder making you unfit to coach.

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Forget the "how many red card does it take to be a jerk" debate. Back to the original question.

The only public forum for announcing a Maple coaching suspension that I know of is the Ejection/Suspension link on the Maple homepage.

If a Maple coach was suspended for a season, my guess is that their name would appear at the top of that page at the start of the season with a brief explanation of the violation and the number of games they had been suspended for.

Before the start of the season, there would be no public announcement at all because there is no place for that announcement to be made. Unless, of course, the offending coach's club decided to address it on their homepage. Now that's funny.

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Forget the "how many red card does it take to be a jerk" debate. Back to the original question.

The only public forum for announcing a Maple coaching suspension that I know of is the Ejection/Suspension link on the Maple homepage.

If a Maple coach was suspended for a season, my guess is that their name would appear at the top of that page at the start of the season with a brief explanation of the violation and the number of games they had been suspended for.

Before the start of the season, there would be no public announcement at all because there is no place for that announcement to be made. Unless, of course, the offending coach's club decided to address it on their homepage. Now that's funny.

No matter how many times the rumor is posted, we still see no evidence of it anywhere. it has wasted so much bandwidth I almost hope it is true, but doubt it is since there is nothing OFFICIAL anywhere, just internet chatter and the hopes of those left behind and obviously jealous. Too bad....