NESCAC Women's Soccer

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The following is a list of all intercollegiate institutions (and the year(s) the institution received the honor) who have received the NSCAA/adidas College Men's Soccer Team Academic Award since the award was instituted in 1996. To qualify for the award, a team must have a minimum grade point average of 3.0 (on a 4.0 scale) to be eligible
Boys:
Amherst College (2008)
Bates College (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007)
Colby College (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)
Connecticut College (2001, 2003)
Tufts University (1999, 2000)
Williams College (1998, 1999, 2000)

GIRLS
Amherst College (1998, 2000, 2001)
Connecticut College (2000)
Hamilton College (2003, 2004)
Middlebury College (1998, 1999, 2001, 2001, 2002, 2008)
Tufts University (1999, 2006, 2007, 2008)
Williams College (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2008)

2008-2009 BOYS + coach
Amherst College, Justin Serpone, 3.47
Colby College, Mark Serdjenian, 3.34
Connecticut College, Kenny Murphy, 3.25

2008-2009 GIRLS + coach
Williams College, Michelyne Pinard, 3.37


Interesting to note the omissions from this list. Gives you an idea who can get good soccer players in who are average students. No Middlebury or Bowdoin on the boys side and no Williams since 2000! On the girls side looks like Williams girls are great players and great students!
Kudos to Serpone at Amherst for the last two years and Serdjenian at Colby for a lot of years.....maybe that's why Colby is usually at the bottom of the NESCAC.

How does this compare to the UAA and NEWMAC schools?

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The following is a list of all intercollegiate institutions (and the year(s) the institution received the honor) who have received the NSCAA/adidas College Men's Soccer Team Academic Award since the award was instituted in 1996. To qualify for the award, a team must have a minimum grade point average of 3.0 (on a 4.0 scale) to be eligible
Boys:
Amherst College (2008)
Bates College (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007)
Colby College (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)
Connecticut College (2001, 2003)
Tufts University (1999, 2000)
Williams College (1998, 1999, 2000)

GIRLS
Amherst College (1998, 2000, 2001)
Connecticut College (2000)
Hamilton College (2003, 2004)
Middlebury College (1998, 1999, 2001, 2001, 2002, 2008)
Tufts University (1999, 2006, 2007, 2008)
Williams College (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2008)

2008-2009 BOYS + coach
Amherst College, Justin Serpone, 3.47
Colby College, Mark Serdjenian, 3.34
Connecticut College, Kenny Murphy, 3.25

2008-2009 GIRLS + coach
Williams College, Michelyne Pinard, 3.37


Interesting to note the omissions from this list. Gives you an idea who can get good soccer players in who are average students. No Middlebury or Bowdoin on the boys side and no Williams since 2000! On the girls side looks like Williams girls are great players and great students!
Kudos to Serpone at Amherst for the last two years and Serdjenian at Colby for a lot of years.....maybe that's why Colby is usually at the bottom of the NESCAC.

These stats are almost meaningless for comparison purposes. there are too many variables from school to school and from team to team for them to be relevant. Look at this one:

Scranton, University of (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)

So, girls should go there? come on be serious.

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So, girls should go there? come on be serious.

Colorado School of Mines??? They field soccer teams?????

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Colorado School of Mines??? They field soccer teams?????

they do, I believe they made it to the round of 16 this year in the ncaa tourney

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Boys:
Amherst College (2008)

Kudos to Serpone at Amherst for the last two years.

The 2008 Amherst mens team not only made the final four but also had the highest team GPA in the nation.

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Thank you for making my point. They do turn down some 2200s and they do accept many 2000s. The coaches tip allegedly being worth 200-300 SAT points will put the kid into the accept pool. Most NESCAC coaches will not want to waste a tip on a student who will not get in. Even with the tip, an unqualifed student will not get past most NESCAC admissions committees. They try to have some divesity in the class, so there are a range of SAT scores at athe school. I do not think Williams is admitting kids who are in over their heads at the school.

The NESCAC schools have huge applicant pools and very low admit rates. Many, if not most, of the applicants are qualified to be admitted and could succeed at the school. I am not saying that they are fine for everyone. I think Williams has about 520 per class. So there are slots for about 260 girls. If you are really being offered the coach's tip (after the coach reviewed your academics) that usually means likely admission (assuming you are properly vetted) and that is certainly hard to turn down.

Regarding preformance at the schoool, look at the following from the Williams' web site:
In recent years, eighty to ninety percent of Williams applicants with a GPA of B+ or better and an MCAT score of 30 or better have been admitted to at least one medical school. Students with lower numbers are also routinely admitted, but at a rate closer to fifty percent.

Somehow, I do not think UMass can say the same.

A good post but I don't buy the 300 point tip advantage or the notion that they are accepting the "many 2000s" you mention at the top NESCAC schools.

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A good post but I don't buy the 300 point tip advantage or the notion that they are accepting the "many 2000s" you mention at the top NESCAC schools.

My personal experience is from a few years ago when 1600 was the top score. At the time, a well rounded kid with 1500s had a good shot at Amherst/Williams. With the coach's active support (and they only had a few they could suppport) you could get in with a 1300s. The William's coach liked my daughter, but not enough to give her support. She had 790 in math and a 680 in verbal (3.7 GPA, lots of 5s on AP courses, captain of 3 sports, etc). coach told her to take the test again to get over the 700 verbal and 1500 combined if she wants to get in. One of her teammates had 1300s, but did get coach's support and was admitted. At the time, it was generally accepted that the coaches support was worth 200 SAT points. Since there is now a 2400 scale, it does not surprise me to hear 200-300 is the new number. I do not know if if the third part of the SAT (writing?) carries equal weight.

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You must have gotten into your alma mater via your soccer prowess. Did you actually graduate ? Has the competitiveness increased exponentially since you applied ?

Though I graduated in the top 10% of my high school class, it actually was my prowess on the football field that got me into Duke. It also helped me get into all of the Ivy league schools but Brown and about 200 other schools as well. Yes I did graduate but I would not claim to have been an academic superstar. To be truthful it was back in time when virtually none of the D1 college athletes graduated so I ignorantly believed that merely getting the degree was sufficient. It is one of my big regrets in life and has shaped the thoughts I've expressed here.

Thank you for making my point. They do turn down some 2200s and they do accept many 2000s. The coaches tip allegedly being worth 200-300 SAT points will put the kid into the accept pool. Most NESCAC coaches will not want to waste a tip on a student who will not get in. Even with the tip, an unqualifed student will not get past most NESCAC admissions committees. They try to have some divesity in the class, so there are a range of SAT scores at athe school. I do not think Williams is admitting kids who are in over their heads at the school.

The coach may get a kid in but are they going to do their school work for them. Do you really believe that a school like Williams, whose student profile most certainly contains some of the best students in the world, is a place where essentially a slightly above average student is going to be tremendously successful?

Regarding preformance at the schoool, look at the following from the Williams' web site:
In recent years, eighty to ninety percent of Williams applicants with a GPA of B+ or better and an MCAT score of 30 or better have been admitted to at least one medical school. Students with lower numbers are also routinely admitted, but at a rate closer to fifty percent.

According to www.collegedata.com here are the stats for the class of 2014 of Williams. The average gpa was 3.83 with SAT scores of 732, 717, and 717. The low applicant had a 3.33 gpa with 600, 580, and 550 SAT scores and the high applicant was perfect with a 4.0 gpa and straight 800's on their SAT's. I guess if you think that just being there is enough to compensate for being at the low end of the admissions profile then we can agree to disagree.

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A good post but I don't buy the 300 point tip advantage or the notion that they are accepting the "many 2000s" you mention at the top NESCAC schools.

Below is the info from Princeton Review for the Williams SAT #s:

SAT: Reading Middle 50%:660 - 760 Math Middle 50%:660 - 760

This means that 25% of the kids have below 660 in reading and 25% of the kids have below 660 in Math.

So, 25% of student body are athletes with 1300s and 25% are eggheads with 1500s.

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Though I graduated in the top 10% of my high school class, it actually was my prowess on the football field that got me into Duke. It also helped me get into all of the Ivy league schools but Brown and about 200 other schools as well. Yes I did graduate but I would not claim to have been an academic superstar. To be truthful it was back in time when virtually none of the D1 college athletes graduated so I ignorantly believed that merely getting the degree was sufficient. It is one of my big regrets in life and has shaped the thoughts I've expressed here.



The coach may get a kid in but are they going to do their school work for them. Do you really believe that a school like Williams, whose student profile most certainly contains some of the best students in the world, is a place where essentially a slightly above average student is going to be tremendously successful?



According to www.collegedata.com here are the stats for the class of 2014 of Williams. The average gpa was 3.83 with SAT scores of 732, 717, and 717. The low applicant had a 3.33 gpa with 600, 580, and 550 SAT scores and the high applicant was perfect with a 4.0 gpa and straight 800's on their SAT's. I guess if you think that just being there is enough to compensate for being at the low end of the admissions profile then we can agree to disagree.

I should hire you as my advocate. You continue to make my points for me. Look at the data. Not everyone is 2166. That is the average (probably meaning the median), which would mean half the class is lower. When matched up against all the other applicants, the kid with 2000 needs the coach's tip to get in. And there are lots of kids getting those tips, maybe 3-4 in soccer, lots in football and hockey, and many other sports as well. And there are lots of enrolled kids inthe 2000 range. Basically that is the bottom 25% of the admitted class (see the post above with the Princeton Review information.)

No, I do not think a "slightly above average student" is likely to be successful at Williams, However, I do think that a student with 2000 on the SATs can be successful at Williams.

Thank you for sharing your personal situation. It sounds like your D1 experience may not have been great for you academically. In D1, coaches have even greater lattitude in getting recruits through admissions. As such, recruits do need to be careful about getting in over their heads. This thread is primarily about NESCAC though, and I think even the schools do a great job af making sure their recruits can do the work and eventually graduate. I think the graduation rates for NESCAC recruts are very impressive.

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From the Princeton Review:

Williams Students Say...
The student population at Williams is not the most humble. They describe themselves as "interesting and beautiful" "geniuses of varying interests." They're "quirky, passionate, zany, and fun." They're "athletically awesome." They're "freakishly unique" and at the same time "cookie-cutter amazing." Ethnic diversity is stellar and you'll find all kin...The student population at Williams is not the most humble. They describe themselves as "interesting and beautiful" "geniuses of varying interests." They're "quirky, passionate, zany, and fun." They're "athletically awesome." They're "freakishly unique" and at the same time "cookie-cutter amazing." Ethnic diversity is stellar and you'll find all kinds of different students including "the goth students," "nerdier students," "a ladle of environmentally conscious pseudo-vegetarians," and a few "west coast hippies." However, "a typical student looks like a rich white kid" who grew up "playing field hockey just outside Boston" and spends summers "vacationing on the Cape." Sporty students abound. "There definitely is segregation between the artsy kids and the athlete types but there is also a significant amount of crossover." "Williams is a place where normal social labels tend not to apply," reports a junior. "Everyone here got in for a reason. So that football player in your theater class has amazing insight on Chekhov and that outspoken environmental activist also specializes in improv comedy.

One sentence of particular note:, "a typical student looks like a rich white kid" who grew up "playing field hockey just outside Boston" and spends summers "vacationing on the Cape." Perhaps we might change "field hockey" to "soccer for an ISL school and a Maple club team (with parents who stalk this forum)" ;)

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Williams Students Say...
The student population at Williams is not the most humble. They describe themselves as "interesting and beautiful" "geniuses of varying interests." They're "quirky, passionate, zany, and fun." They're "athletically awesome." They're "freakishly unique" and at the same time "cookie-cutter amazing." Ethnic diversity is stellar and you'll find all kin...The student population at Williams is not the most humble. They describe themselves as "interesting and beautiful" "geniuses of varying interests." They're "quirky, passionate, zany, and fun." They're "athletically awesome." Ethnic diversity is stellar and you'll find all kinds of different students including "the goth students," "nerdier students," "a ladle of environmentally conscious pseudo-vegetarians," and a few "west coast hippies." However, "a typical student looks like a rich white kid" who grew up "playing field hockey just outside Boston" and spends summers "vacationing on the Cape." Sporty students abound. "There definitely is segregation between the artsy kids and the athlete types but there is also a significant amount of crossover." "Williams is a place where normal social labels tend not to apply," reports a junior. "Everyone here got in for a reason. So that football player in your theater class has amazing insight on Chekhov and that outspoken environmental activist also specializes in improv comedy."

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I should hire you as my advocate. You continue to make my points for me. Look at the data. Not everyone is 2166. That is the average (probably meaning the median), which would mean half the class is lower. When matched up against all the other applicants, the kid with 2000 needs the coach's tip to get in. And there are lots of kids getting those tips, maybe 3-4 in soccer, lots in football and hockey, and many other sports as well. And there are lots of enrolled kids inthe 2000 range. Basically that is the bottom 25% of the admitted class (see the post above with the Princeton Review information.)

No, I do not think a "slightly above average student" is likely to be successful at Williams, However, I do think that a student with 2000 on the SATs can be successful at Williams.

I'm not saying that the kid with 2000 on their SAT's couldn't get in to Williams. Clearly some of them can. The point that I keep trying to make is that kid would be in the bottom tier of the admitted class and the least likely to excel there.

Thank you for sharing your personal situation. It sounds like your D1 experience may not have been great for you academically. In D1, coaches have even greater lattitude in getting recruits through admissions. As such, recruits do need to be careful about getting in over their heads. This thread is primarily about NESCAC though, and I think even the schools do a great job af making sure their recruits can do the work and eventually graduate. I think the graduation rates for NESCAC recruts are very impressive.

I actually found Duke to be pretty easy and didn't have to do too much to get respectably average grades. I know that had I put just a little effort into it I could have done pretty well. The way things were back then if you actually graduated you were considered a huge success story. The ultimate point is that simply graduating is really not enough. Your kid needs to excel at a school to achieve all the benefits that school has to offer. Think of it this way, is going to Williams and graduating with a B- average really going to be enough to get a kid into med school or a top business school?

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I'm not saying that the kid with 2000 on their SAT's couldn't get in to Williams. Clearly some of them can. The point that I keep trying to make is that kid would be in the bottom tier of the admitted class and the least likely to excel there.



I actually found Duke to be pretty easy and didn't have to do too much to get respectably average grades. I know that had I put just a little effort into it I could have done pretty well. The way things were back then if you actually graduated you were considered a huge success story. The ultimate point is that simply graduating is really not enough. Your kid needs to excel at a school to achieve all the benefits that school has to offer. Think of it this way, is going to Williams and graduating with a B- average really going to be enough to get a kid into med school or a top business school?

In terms os getting into grad school/med school/business school, which would be better: B average at Duke or A average at Fairlegh-Dick?

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In terms os getting into grad school/med school/business school, which would be better: B average at Duke or A average at Fairlegh-Dick?

Apparently you don't think to much of my kid's choice in schools. I can only hope your kid ends up as happy with her/his choice as mine is with hers.

Actually, I do believe that a kid with an A at a mid tier private school does have a better chance of getting into a grad school. That kid has produced. What does a B at Duke do for you? Do you think that every kid that graduates from an elite school is going to automatically get into med school or some prestigious business school?

This argument is just like the whole "training" discussion. There is a group of parents out there who apparently would rather have their kid ride the bench on a top team like the Stars than be on some other team where they can be relavant. They treat education the same way. They'll send their kid to some name brand school regardless of whether their kid will perform well there. I guess the idea is if you pay enough money something will rub off.

I've spent a life time around self made people and the one thing that I have learned is you can't manufacture greatness. Greatness comes from within. You can provide opportunity, but unless an individual takes advantage of it, it means nothing.