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    U.S. Women’s National Team

    From Robert Ziegler of Top Drawer Soccer:

    Doing it in Style
    September 20th, 2007
    I read with interest comments on fifa.com from U.S. Women’s National Team head coach Greg Ryan, currently guiding his team through the FIFA World Cup in China, about how trying to play an attractive passing style would not be particularly effective in the modern women’s game.

    While I think the article most likely didn’t print everything Ryan had to say on the topic, I have to say I hate to see any notion that as a nation we would abandon the idea of playing attractively.

    “Attractiveâ€￾ in a soccer context generally means teams who combine short passing, fluid movement off the ball, and players who can take on defenders 1v1. When you find teams who are adept at all of these things, it is indeed a thing of beauty. It is also exceedingly hard to defend.

    The alternative to this style, something of a field expedient method at many levels of American soccer, is utilizing size and speed and hitting long balls either up field for forwards to run onto, or directly at a target player who can win it in the area in front of goal. Both of these methods are perfectly legitimate means of attacking, but when employed exclusively, as they so often are in our domestic game, they detract from developing those finer aspects of the game needed to attack with style.

    “Screw the beautiful gameâ€￾ I was once told by a proponent of the long ball approach, who also happens to think that high school soccer is the most important part of youth development. “Why bother with that stuff when the idea is to win,â€￾ he concluded. A national-championship winning coach at a prominent youth club once told me that playing attractively “is overratedâ€￾ explaining that other teams don’t let you do it anyway.

    I’ve no doubt that attempting to play that way is made difficult by cynical tactics from the opposition. After a recent college game where a talented midfielder put on a bit of a clinic in possession and passing soccer, the opposition coach bemoaned the fact that her team didn’t do more to “knock her on her ass.â€￾ Regrettably, the inconsistent standard of refereeing that exists in this country makes such a tactic all too plausible. But I also know teaching the beautiful game is even more difficult when clubs and teams are not set up to teach young players how to control the ball, how to pass it, how to take players on, how to move without the ball and to combine in numbers to attack. If a predominant section of our coaching cadre has at its primarly formative influence a severe form of kick and rush soccer, the likelihood of it passing more of the same on to our youth is pretty great.

    So I continue to look for those shining examples of coaches doing it differently and hope to see their numbers increase. In a soccer subculture where winning at the youth and college level is collectively more important than what our national teams and professional league have going on, it’s an uphill battle to teach this. With greater professional and national-level involvement in player development comes hope for something better, but there will be some serious upstream swimming before this changes.

    Posted by Robert Ziegler |
    Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.

    #2
    Ziegler's comments after today's game:

    We Can Do That Too
    September 27th, 2007
    I’m not going to duplicate what will probably be a flood of instant analysis about our Women’s National Team at the World Cup following the team’s 4-0 loss to Brazil Thursday morning in the semifinal.

    That means nothing here about tactics (scroll down or read Scott French’s Around America blog), personnel decisions, refereeing or any of that. I will include a well done to Brazil, who certainly deserved the victory and showed something extra.

    I will say this however: I watch the Girls’ game at the elite youth level, Women’s College Soccer and our Youth National Teams I think as much as anybody. I have seen more than a few players who come through the ranks showing the technical ability plus the creativity and mental understanding of the game to play in a way we saw the Brazilians today. There are some incredibly bright talents throughout our system and there’s no reason to think we can’t compete at the highest level with the same kind of sophistication and style we saw today from Brazil.

    However, our competitive system does not cater to this in the least. It’s the same problem as with the Boys where, on the youth level, everything is geared to “bigâ€￾ tournaments and “championshipsâ€￾ that call for teams to win through attrition, playing 4 or 5 games in 2-3 days - (or maybe 6 in 7 days, which is considered a luxury). So bunkering down and winning a battle of attrition is often the preferred formula for success (however you happen to define success).

    Now that’s nothing against the teams who have done well in our youth level or those who go on to succeed at the college level. They are just adapting to the circumstances placed before them and it certainly doesn’t mean those teams and players aren’t talented.

    But it does mean that the talented and skillful players like we saw today are given less incentive to continue on in that path. It is up to the coaches in this country to promote the most skillful and attractive elements of soccer. If our top levels in the development system are going to take our most promising players and turn them into robots, we will never regain the summit of women’s international soccer. Save Teresa Noyola, Amber Brooks, Elizabeth Eddy, Kristi Abbate and the othes who show every sign of being able to perform at the highest level. Don’t stifle them with a program in advanced robotics.

    For coaches to do this, the system needs to promote it. USSF, in establishing an Academy setup on the Boys side, announced they would form a committee to look at doing the same on the Girls side. You’re excused for being cynical at the idea of a committee, but I’m hoping there will be some proactive movement by the Federation and others involved in the elite youth game on the Girls side, to stop rewarding teams that are all about defending in numbers and outmuscling opponents without learning how to play the ball on the ground. Winning Ugly only gets you so far, and we’ve never been about being “pretty goodâ€￾ as a society. Let’s get together and do the right things.

    Posted by Robert Ziegler |
    Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.

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      #3
      Ziegler has hit the nail on the head!
      I think it would be quite prudent of the USSF to set up an academy structure for girls in the u-15 and up range. Winning tournaments and national championships needs to get de-emphasized if we want to "develop" competant players on both the boys and the girls side.
      Did anyone else think that yesterday's game was a match between suburban white girls vs tough street smart city kids?

      I thought we were ahead of the curve on the girls side, but it appears that we were just more organized. Now that other Federations are taking the women's game seriously, I think US women players development through the college game, may leave us behind other countries.

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        #4
        More from ESPN's Derek Rae:

        http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/st ... d=tab1pos1

        Women's football is a bigger deal in the United States than in most other countries.

        While the USA national team remain near the top of the women's football tree, and likely will for the foreseeable future, questions must be asked about the type of player is being churned out by that country's college system.

        For years, the United States could dominate teams through raw athleticism and power. They can no longer get away with that approach alone.

        Thursday's chastening 4-0 World Cup semi-final defeat at the hands of a vastly superior Brazilian side, spoke volumes about the gulf in technical quality between the two women's national sides.

        Forget blaming coach Greg Ryan for favouring Brianna Scurry in goal, as opposed to the incumbent, Hope Solo. It's also counter-productive to bang on about a red card for Shannon Boxx that admittedly was to say the least, dubious.

        Instead, it's time to face facts. Brazil and Germany, who'll contest Sunday's final, have caught up and overtaken the American women.

        The bigger question to be addressed is this. Can the USA change course and placing the emphasis on technique, or will it be more of the same robust, but ultimately uninspiring football, come the next Women's World Cup?
        Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.

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          #5
          I can remember more than one U11 coach saying "Give me an athlete and I'll teach em everything they need to know." In light of the problems on both sides of our national teams, how come those coaches weren't able to "teach em"?

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            #6
            because they were U11 coaches........

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              #7
              Yeah, U11 through U18.

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                #8
                As long as we continue to supply substandard leagues, High School soccer and a lack of developmental coaching USA womens soccer will be on the decline on the National level. We will still get the participation but with the same outcome

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                  #9
                  I posted coach's comments regarding the USA vs Brazil game in the other thread. From that same discussion that produced those comments are these two that I thought applicable here:

                  I rarely see someone who came through our youth system and played in college who has a clue as to how to identify kids with soccer brains. The ODP system is filled with these types in our area and as a result you get athletes selected and not players.
                  Agreed. Those coaches kill players. Almost without exception.

                  Foreign ex-pros are best, but U.S.-born coaches who didn't play in college can be OK, too.
                  I just thought it interesting the comment about American coaches that didn't play in college. And BTW I heard recently of a coach, former college team captain, running his team to death for not scoring in their previous game. Might be some substance to these comments.
                  Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.

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                    #10
                    There is absolutely no doubt that the prevailing American coaches' view of the game is that speed and size is everything. There is little regard for a player who is technical over the ball, has a strong tactical sense and who tries to slow the game down.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Anonymous
                      As long as we continue to supply substandard leagues, High School soccer and a lack of developmental coaching USA womens soccer will be on the decline on the National level. We will still get the participation but with the same outcome
                      Not sure if that is the problem, the current licensing system which favors past playing experience over coaching ability needs to be dismantled. They have changed the criteria somewhat but the C and higher licenses still are geared to ex-players. I took the D license in the middle of a 90+ heatwave and it was grueling to say the least. C is less focused on playing ability but B and A are clique licenses reserved for ex-players for the most part. This is utter nonsense and only soccer uses that winnowing process.

                      There is very little relationship between playing and coaching ability and in fact I would say there is an inverse relationship. Most successful coaches in all sports were marginal players.

                      For some reason the soccer community continues to believe that the elements that have resulted in success in every other sport in the US should somehow NOT be applied to soccer. It is maddening and perplexing at the same time.

                      Youth soccer and hockey are the only sports that aggressively seeks to winnow out the players that are perceived to be less talented at the age of 11. Every sport has players of multiple levels still integrated at older ages. Both sports are struggling to identify players that should be the most developed. Basketball, Lacrosse, Baseball and football are much less focused on the elite labels and are much more patient in developing talent.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Anonymous
                        There is absolutely no doubt that the prevailing American coaches' view of the game is that speed and size is everything. There is little regard for a player who is technical over the ball, has a strong tactical sense and who tries to slow the game down.
                        BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same problem in Hockey. How many soccer coaches would have overlooked Dustin Pedroia.... T-Rex arms, not terribly fast, small, yet he is one of the best young players in the game. How many coaches overlooked him. Arizona is known for selecting players based on playing intelligence and intangibles. USC, Miami and Florida never would have looked at him.

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                          #13
                          Regardless of which keeper stood between the U.S. posts, what mistakes Coach Greg R yan made or the red card to Shannon Boxx, the difference between the teams in Brazil's 4-0 rout of the USA was skill. Dribbling, trapping, shooting, passing. Brazil topped each category. And Brazil entertained.

                          Midway through the tournament, R yan defended his team's bang-it-up-to-Abby Wambach playing style. He told FIFA.com, "If you spend all your time trying to look pretty, you're going to end up with big problems the other way."

                          Not that anyone was asking for a full 90 minutes of the Beautiful Game, but the nation with the richest history in the women's game should serve up something more sophisticated than kick-and-run survival soccer.

                          Usually, coaches who opt for Route 1 and a reliance on athleticism over a possession game rationalize their crude tactics by claiming they haven't the talent to outplay rather than outmuscle their foes.

                          Of course you wouldn't expect R yan to say such a thing - to disparage his players' talent -- in the middle of a tournament. But regardless of the game plan, the performance against Brazil revealed the skill gap.

                          The Brazilian players used trickery and guile to evade the Americans. U.S. players, in one-on-one situations, tried mainly to sprint around defenders, and that didn't work.

                          Referee Nicole Petignat demonstrated she goes quickly to the cards. Had American players been able to dribble past Brazilians and draw fouls, they may have gotten a makeup call to even the numbers. But the Americans failed to put the Brazilians in desperate situations because they couldn't beat them on the dribble.

                          The Brazilians were comfortable on the ball. The U.S. players weren't.

                          The Brazilians could keep possession while under pressure. The Americans couldn't.

                          Hopefully the convenient criticism of Coach R yan doesn't overshadow the inconvenient truth that the Americans players were technically inferior.

                          by Mike Woitalla, Friday, Sep 28, 2007 11:36

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                            #14
                            Let's not condemn soccer in america based on one game, or a collection of WWC results. Clearly Coach Ryan preferred the long ball and the direct approach. The article posted quotes him very clearly. Many youth clubs teach that style as well and believe in it as a core principle. But there are many clubs who teach the beautiful game - the passing and possession game - as well.

                            Different coaches and different clubs approach the game differently and will continue to do so regardless of this result. It certainly would be nice if many coaches and clubs do look to stress skills development and an understanding of the game and creativity instead of tactics at a young age and a direct approach, but each club will do it's best as it sees fit.

                            Few of the kids our youth coaches work with will have an impact on the national level and the best will develop their skills and their understanding of the game regardless of where they play or they will move to an environment that better matches their style. After all the game is played at the youth level not to create future champions of the world, but to enjoy playing the game and develop as a player and a person, including an incredible number of positives about ones' self and ones' teammates and working together as a team. A few will even go on to playing college soccer and even onto regional or national teams - but for most I hope they are learning life lessons and a love of the game.

                            I am sure the Federation will look at this result and consider what they deem the appropriate emphasis going forward, but this is not going to dramatically change many youth coaches and it is not going to change many youth clubs' approaches to the game. Nor will it mean dismantaling the entire youth soccer program in the USA. It may change the way the Federation looks at selecting players in the youth ranks for national teams and it may not. Skills are critical and athletisism is critical. Neither is mutually exclusive nor do either exclude creativity and vision. And I am sure the process of selecting the team and the players' abilities included an assessment of their skills and their feel for the game.

                            Our team lost yesterday and that is a shame. What ever the reason and whatever the style of play and whoever the coach is or will be - it is still a game. There are good games and bad games. There is disappointment here and there is boundless joy elsewhere in the world. This is sport. Enjoy it for what it is and enjoy the beautiful game that the Brazilian women played yesterday. And look forward to the years to come in women's soccer and the process and the games to be played.

                            Instead of condemning the game here in the USA and condemning the coach and the players, let's thank them for giving their effort and giving us all a fascinating two weeks of play. And maybe most importantly thank the players of the USWNT for providing our youth players this forum to enhance their learning and development as well as a place to see the best soccer in the world being played and learning so much from the process.

                            When I listen to the girls I know who are playing soccer at a high level it is thrilling to hear them talk about what they have seen at the world cup and what they understand about the differing styles of play and what they see working and not working. Certainly when you listen to these young players you can see that the game is alive and well and an awful lot of good is going on where so many are condemning the process.

                            Sorry, but I choose to praise and support our USNWT and hope that we are able to learn from this game and the games that lead up to it and we get a better result at the Olympics next year. And yes, hopefully we play a more beautiful game that I personally think our girls are absolutely capable of playing.

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                              #15
                              Scurry is out

                              http://www.ussoccer.com/articles/vie...p_5898241.html

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