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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Trump is simply showing how petty and vindictive he is. He also said he may revoke it for multiple other former government employees who have spoken up against him. Many of these people consult or work for defense and security contractors who work on our national defense and security. Revoking their clearances not only limits their ability to work (after years of getting pretty modest government salaries and serving our country) but it also is short sighted. Their experience/expertise helps us.

    But he doesn't care - it's all about exacting revenge. He cannot stand anybody disagreeing with him. A true leader considers the opinions of everyone, even those who disagree with them. They also can take a hit once in awhile. Dough Boy Donnie cannot.
    Brennan didn't just disagree on policy- in fact it's never been about policy with him
    Its personal and he has spent the last year and a half showing his total lack of respect and taking shots at Trump
    Brennan was a political appointee he is not a bat Sec expert
    And why should Trump suffer his insults with no blowback?
    Trump never takes the first shot but you should know by now if you take that shot you will get hit back harder

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      We endured the same scrutiny within every Presidency since Truman, maybe even long before then. I watched the conservative media, part of the MSM, attempt to dismantle the Obama presidency for 8 years. I watched a GOP led Congress work as hard as they could to undermine that Presidency for at least 6 years. Nothing unique is happening to Trump that hasn't happened to the Presidency since the news got on TV. You live in the world of 24/7 news channels, so today, it's 24/7 of the same stuff that was just on the nightly news and in the papers, periodicals before we evolved to this situation. Go look at what they did to Carter and how Reagan was treated. Or Ford. Or Clinton. It's a false argument you make here.

      I've lived well over 60 years. I saw the implementation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I saw the way the government had to force busing into the schools to gain integration. Speculation on the motives and conversations of our government leaders has been ongoing for decades and will continue to do so. When Clinton visited ***** on the airport tarmac, was there any less speculation about that conversation than the one between Trump and Putin? You like to pick and choose your examples, eh?

      Why does Elizabeth Warren have to back up her ethnic claims at all? Either you believe her or you don't. Should we ask the same question as to why the President hasn't revealed his taxes, despite decades of protocol established by his predecessors? I guess we can speculate on those contents as much as we can on Warren's claim of heritage?

      So how many minorities are there employed in the White House or Executive Branch? I mean, how many who aren't serving in domestic jobs. Do you think this administration reflects the makeup of this nation? How much more understanding would there be if it did?

      Again, how many former members of government service have had their security clearances removed after service? I know that I had a TOP SECRET clearance when I served in the military and that clearance was routinely cleared for well over a decade after I left the military and then government contracting. I know this because the FBI told me when they were reviewing my clearance. And I'm a nobody in the scheme of things on this subject. Removing his clearance is not the issue. The reason for Trump choosing to do so is the exact issue. How many others has he removed as well? Why?
      Your biases show through too easily. Too many points to choose from, but the ones that jump out are, YES, absolutely was there more scrutiny over Trump meeting Putin than Clinton’s highly unethical meeting with *****. And while I agree there was resistance against Obama, it was 1/8 of what it is now and almost never personal. Some of it has been brought on by Trump I agree, but some of it has not. As for security clearance and the reason for doing it. Good lord. Isn’t it obvious? Brennan doesn’t even give the appearance of neutrality. He’s no longer in the govt. there is no need for his opinion or consulting. That’s the job of those currently involved. It’s absurd to think otherwise. If you leave Google or Apple, so you think you retain access to their company secrets? And this is far more sensitive.

      The real issue at hand here is that the Democratic Party is the party that cried wolf. They were so nasty to Bush with personal attacks, when he was by most accounts, a very decent person (you can argue policy of course), that people are immune to the attacks even when they are warranted. Where the media is concerned, they are a disgrace. You should never know how they think. And we do.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Well thank you for a well written response.
        While I agree that past Administrations were held to scrutiny, it is just not at the present level that we are seeing today. It is an accepted opinion by many that the MSM leans left, and evidence to support that opinion is available on a daily basis. The Flagship Paper of CT, The Hartford Courant has their Editorial the other day written by Morning Joe from MSNBC. Do they not have any keyboards in their Offices? Their Op Ed pages are full of left leaning opinions. Since day one of this Administration there have ben boycotts by 100 Democrats ( when did that happen in the past ? ), Attempts to change Electors Votes ( again when in the past ? ) , lawsuit after lawsuit ( the past ? ) , collections of shrinks appearing on MSM offering their " diagnosis " on and on, too many differences between then and now to list.

        The Congress when Obama was in Office was just doing what they do, as the Constitution calls for . They are elected Representatives of the people , and it is within their power and duty to block anything they see from the Executive Branch that they don't agree with. That's the system like it or no.

        The Clinton / ***** meeting was during an active : matter" being investigated, it involved a high ranking influential Government Employee and the spouse of the person being looked at. That is a poor analogy to a Meeting by Two heads of state , part of the job of the President, when it is normal and customary to meet in private. There wasn't anything normal and customary for ***** and Bill to meet.

        Elizabeth Warren listed her Heritage on numerous documents and that heritage was used to help indicate a diverse population within certain groups that she was a member of. it is no different than listing an Educational Degree and then being asked for the transcripts and proof.

        What is the " makeup of the nation " ? Does the number of employed by race, gender, heritage, whatever have to meet a certain standard ? And if so, by whom ?

        Regardless of your individual experience, there simply isn't a credible reason for any former Government Official to still have Security Clearance . It may have traditionally been done as a courtesy, but the decision to do so rests with the Administration in power, as THEY will be responsible for any negative events. What is unprecedented is not that their clearance would be taken away, but that some of them are employed by MSM and a publically attacking the current administration. I don't recall that taking place in the past. Is that the legacy to be projected for former Intelligence Agency, Military and Law Enforcement members , that level of conduct ?

        And the system continues today......

        A liberal press? Been that way for decades. Must be a reason for it, since so many of the populace seem to accept it. You don't want them picking at you? Don't give them reason to do so. Besides, it's quite clear that Trump covets the very press he claims to hate. The MSM gives Trump his breathing air. Omarosa is right about one thing above all others. You want to drive Trump to his knees? Stop giving him attention. That's the idiocy that the media doesn't get or doesn't care about. They need each other like heroin needs an addict.

        Slice and dice the rest of it as you like to fit your perspective and your bias. That's how most of America operates anyways. One of the fundamental losses in our country is the ability to objectively debate a topic with the common goal of finding a workable solution for all. It's all my side or your side now.

        Will be the end of us for sure.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          And the system continues today......

          A liberal press? Been that way for decades. Must be a reason for it, since so many of the populace seem to accept it. You don't want them picking at you? Don't give them reason to do so. Besides, it's quite clear that Trump covets the very press he claims to hate. The MSM gives Trump his breathing air. Omarosa is right about one thing above all others. You want to drive Trump to his knees? Stop giving him attention. That's the idiocy that the media doesn't get or doesn't care about. They need each other like heroin needs an addict.

          Slice and dice the rest of it as you like to fit your perspective and your bias. That's how most of America operates anyways. One of the fundamental losses in our country is the ability to objectively debate a topic with the common goal of finding a workable solution for all. It's all my side or your side now.

          Will be the end of us for sure.
          One of the reasons that the populace is accepting it could be the Leftist Academia types that are packed in the Educational System, especially higher education. What may be the end of us is an increased amount of young Americans that are instructed what to think instead of how to think.

          Trump does create plenty of his own problems, but the ball started rolling the moment he won. 100 Democrats boycotted the Inauguration. They tried to have the Electors change their votes. The continued campaign backed by the MSM that his win was anything but legitimate. Lawsuit after lawsuit. None of that was instigated by Trump , it happened because he won. And the Dems and the MSM have not let up on the throttle.

          A workable solution could be achieved by not having a trial by the media for every perceived injustice. And now the media claims that their right to a free press is threatened by him. More nonsense. The First Amendment still stands , no Laws by Congress have been passed restricting any freedoms of the Press. As true Journalism shrinks way from their offerings, they are incredibly threatened by the ability of the President to bypass them and tweet directly to the American people . That's the single most important difference between the past and the present. They are suddenly in a reactionary position, a position that they always put the other side on . The tables have turned, and they are getting more desperate by the day.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Brennan didn't just disagree on policy- in fact it's never been about policy with him
            Its personal and he has spent the last year and a half showing his total lack of respect and taking shots at Trump
            Brennan was a political appointee he is not a bat Sec expert
            And why should Trump suffer his insults with no blowback?
            Trump never takes the first shot but you should know by now if you take that shot you will get hit back harder
            respect is earned. trump hasn't earned it; he bullies faux-respect from all the yes-men he surrounds himslef with and a gop congress who can't afford to lose his base. his shot at other former staffers is a fear tactic/dictator move to try and keep people (almost all from the prior administration) quiet. a real man can handle criticism and learn from it.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              And the system continues today......

              A liberal press? Been that way for decades. Must be a reason for it, since so many of the populace seem to accept it. You don't want them picking at you? Don't give them reason to do so. Besides, it's quite clear that Trump covets the very press he claims to hate. The MSM gives Trump his breathing air. Omarosa is right about one thing above all others. You want to drive Trump to his knees? Stop giving him attention. That's the idiocy that the media doesn't get or doesn't care about. They need each other like heroin needs an addict.

              Slice and dice the rest of it as you like to fit your perspective and your bias. That's how most of America operates anyways. One of the fundamental losses in our country is the ability to objectively debate a topic with the common goal of finding a workable solution for all. It's all my side or your side now.

              Will be the end of us for sure.
              The media is in a tough spot (and I mean mostly left since the right-media fawns all over him). The need to call the president/administration/government out on wrong-doings is a necessity. A free press is essential to a free democracy. They often do get caught up on the petty things, but underneath it often times there's real substance. With this administration fact checking is critical. But what can the left media do when the president calls it fake news and his fans refuse to see black and white facts right in front of them?
              Anyway, does it matter if there's a N-word tape when his actions and words speak to his racism? No, if it exists it will only reinforce what people think. The left will say "Told you so" and the right will say "He really is one of us."

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                respect is earned. trump hasn't earned it; he bullies faux-respect from all the yes-men he surrounds himslef with and a gop congress who can't afford to lose his base. his shot at other former staffers is a fear tactic/dictator move to try and keep people (almost all from the prior administration) quiet. a real man can handle criticism and learn from it.
                Criticism yes. Personal attacks and blatant lies and opinions from people trying to pass them off as facts, no. If I hear one more person scream racism bc he banned people from certain countries without proper vetting, calling it a Muslim ban, even though the country with the highest population of Muslims wasn’t on it—I’ll scream. The vet’s father was a loudmouth and just bc his son was a hero who served his country well, it doesn’t give him free reign to say whatever he wants. People love to attack but don’t like it when it comes back at them. Would I take that tact if I was president? No. But I don’t blame him for it one bit.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  And what exactly is a "black" college?
                  And what exactly is a "white" college?


                  Maybe we should start with that........
                  HBCU - look it up on the internet. This is a very well defined term

                  White College - No such thing anymore, but historically, you could say Harvard for instance since it was founded in 1636, but didn't have a black graduate until roughly 1870....so 230 years or so qualifies as "historically white"

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    One of the reasons that the populace is accepting it could be the Leftist Academia types that are packed in the Educational System, especially higher education. What may be the end of us is an increased amount of young Americans that are instructed what to think instead of how to think.

                    Trump does create plenty of his own problems, but the ball started rolling the moment he won. 100 Democrats boycotted the Inauguration. They tried to have the Electors change their votes. The continued campaign backed by the MSM that his win was anything but legitimate. Lawsuit after lawsuit. None of that was instigated by Trump , it happened because he won. And the Dems and the MSM have not let up on the throttle.

                    A workable solution could be achieved by not having a trial by the media for every perceived injustice. And now the media claims that their right to a free press is threatened by him. More nonsense. The First Amendment still stands , no Laws by Congress have been passed restricting any freedoms of the Press. As true Journalism shrinks way from their offerings, they are incredibly threatened by the ability of the President to bypass them and tweet directly to the American people . That's the single most important difference between the past and the present. They are suddenly in a reactionary position, a position that they always put the other side on . The tables have turned, and they are getting more desperate by the day.

                    Yes, those leftist Liberal Academics.....


                    They've been around since, well since America had colleges, eh?

                    A century and a half ago, the people in charge were making the same complaints about the college professors then. Filling those young minds with such nonsense.....tsk tsk tsk.

                    How could those liberal professors take up the issue of slavery on the college campus? How dare they believe in the equality of women and see the terrible issues that rose from a policy of manifest destiny!

                    It's an old song still being sung. Our young minds being so poisoned by those bad old college liberals.

                    I seem to recall that the colleges of this country were always the place where bold new ideas and thinking were encouraged. The place where a clash of ideas could take place so that our future leaders could start to find their way. Thus, colleges were always the province of progressive thinking, clear back to the Colonial Days. This is why I am becoming dismayed with the intolerance being shown by both conservatives and liberals on our college campuses. Screw safe spaces.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      HBCU - look it up on the internet. This is a very well defined term

                      White College - No such thing anymore, but historically, you could say Harvard for instance since it was founded in 1636, but didn't have a black graduate until roughly 1870....so 230 years or so qualifies as "historically white"
                      My point is perhaps the problem is making the distinction in the first place.

                      Seems to me that none of these schools is exclusively white or black.

                      Divisions, divisions, divisions,.....always needing divisions.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Yes, those leftist Liberal Academics.....


                        They've been around since, well since America had colleges, eh?

                        A century and a half ago, the people in charge were making the same complaints about the college professors then. Filling those young minds with such nonsense.....tsk tsk tsk.

                        How could those liberal professors take up the issue of slavery on the college campus? How dare they believe in the equality of women and see the terrible issues that rose from a policy of manifest destiny!

                        It's an old song still being sung. Our young minds being so poisoned by those bad old college liberals.

                        I seem to recall that the colleges of this country were always the place where bold new ideas and thinking were encouraged. The place where a clash of ideas could take place so that our future leaders could start to find their way. Thus, colleges were always the province of progressive thinking, clear back to the Colonial Days. This is why I am becoming dismayed with the intolerance being shown by both conservatives and liberals on our college campuses. Screw safe spaces.
                        Op here, and I agree to some extent.
                        However the huge increase of the number of Administrators who also get involved in political activism is a definitive difference in this day and age.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Criticism yes. Personal attacks and blatant lies and opinions from people trying to pass them off as facts, no. If I hear one more person scream racism bc he banned people from certain countries without proper vetting, calling it a Muslim ban, even though the country with the highest population of Muslims wasn’t on it—I’ll scream. The vet’s father was a loudmouth and just bc his son was a hero who served his country well, it doesn’t give him free reign to say whatever he wants. People love to attack but don’t like it when it comes back at them. Would I take that tact if I was president? No. But I don’t blame him for it one bit.
                          lol watch Fox with an objective eye. They're anything but fact-filled. When they get called out on it they almost never correct it. At least other outlets do.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Yes, those leftist Liberal Academics.....


                            They've been around since, well since America had colleges, eh?

                            A century and a half ago, the people in charge were making the same complaints about the college professors then. Filling those young minds with such nonsense.....tsk tsk tsk.

                            How could those liberal professors take up the issue of slavery on the college campus? How dare they believe in the equality of women and see the terrible issues that rose from a policy of manifest destiny!

                            It's an old song still being sung. Our young minds being so poisoned by those bad old college liberals.

                            I seem to recall that the colleges of this country were always the place where bold new ideas and thinking were encouraged. The place where a clash of ideas could take place so that our future leaders could start to find their way. Thus, colleges were always the province of progressive thinking, clear back to the Colonial Days. This is why I am becoming dismayed with the intolerance being shown by both conservatives and liberals on our college campuses. Screw safe spaces.
                            How dare college campuses be filled with well educated students, faculty and staff who challenge ideas and beliefs! How dare they want a diverse student and faculty from all walks of US and international life!

                            If people want a conservative education there are a number of schools out there to fit the bill like Liberty, BYU etc. There's something for everybody

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              respect is earned. trump hasn't earned it; he bullies faux-respect from all the yes-men he surrounds himslef with and a gop congress who can't afford to lose his base. his shot at other former staffers is a fear tactic/dictator move to try and keep people (almost all from the prior administration) quiet. a real man can handle criticism and learn from it.
                              He never said a word about Amarosa after she was fired- she has a reputation being difficult so it's no surprise Kelly hated her
                              Until she called him mentally ill, racist, covets ivanja etc...FHer you wouldn't give somebody a free pass for saying that about you, neither would I. She taped so called friends and not only Trump she is an attention whore and she will make some cash off it this but she will be forgotten in 2 weeks

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                He never said a word about Amarosa after she was fired- she has a reputation being difficult so it's no surprise Kelly hated her
                                Until she called him mentally ill, racist, covets ivanja etc...FHer you wouldn't give somebody a free pass for saying that about you, neither would I. She taped so called friends and not only Trump she is an attention whore and she will make some cash off it this but she will be forgotten in 2 weeks
                                Already forgotten.

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