3 Refs, 3 Whistles, Equal Power

Only using 2 refs in Palm Beach County

PB county refs will be varying between 2 or 3 man crews. There are many who refuse to do the 3-man, so they will only do the 2-man. however, those same refs must work 3 games with the 3-man system to be able to owork district playoffs. Also, each school is supposed to pick 3 home games to use 3-man system.

This was told to me by an AD and a ref.

Guess we'll see how it plays out.

What steps would be needed in order to get FHSAA to go back to the way it should be. 2 Linesman 1 Ref.

You'd have to go change the statistics gathered from other states showing less red card offenses. It looks like it's here to stay, FHSAA is their own entity and doesn't seem to change for anyone.
I understand the earlier posts and can agree with some that there are some crews that may not be very good at the 3 whistle system and, maybe, shouldn't even be on the field at all. Some Associations didn't want to do this in the first place, so they may not have tweeked their refs yet. Get a good crew and it works like a charm, a bad one will give you more reasons to trash it.
I don't give to much credence to the people who constantly say the refs miss offsides. They could miss offsides as much as if they had flags. Offsides is a judgement call and should be left out of the hands of fans that only see their side, in most cases.
Do I like the system? YES, with the right side referees.
Keep in mind, referees can't do right no matter if they have whistles or flags.
What part of the state are the posts from anyway? mae your area when complaining so everyone knows where the refs are from. That all makes a difference in refs too. JUST MY OPINION.

This is total BS and if you are a HS ref, you know it. The reason they went to this system is because they couldn't get anyone to show up to do the AR job for AR pay. Everyone wanted to do centers so that they got center pay. The solution that was worked out between the refs and FHSAA was to give everyone center pay and sell it to the public as a way to cut down on violent play. It hasn't reduced the number of cards at all. It was a way to get refs to show up due to them getting more money, period. To say that offsides is as easily missed by someone whose primary responsibility is to watch for it as it is for some ref who is totally out of position as he tries to evaluate contact between midfielders is ludicrous. If this was a better way to do it they would be doing it all over the world. Stop telling lies about "why" this is happening and try and do your job. If it doesn't pay enough to bother with then don't do it. You won't be missed.

3 whistle bus is being driven by FHSAA. Referee Associations working group recommended against implementing system----as we all know now--FHSAA disregarded. Main reason given is that there was a concern on # of red cards last couple of seasons and belief that 3 officials closer to play will keep misconduct in check. From what I have seen so far, if you have 3 refs who work are on the same page--it works well. I have also seen the opposite--when they are not, and the game has no continuity and flow to it. Not sure how long this process will be with us in Florida......

What steps would be needed in order to get FHSAA to go back to the way it should be. 2 Linesman 1 Ref.

You'd have to go change the statistics gathered from other states showing less red card offenses. It looks like it's here to stay, FHSAA is their own entity and doesn't seem to change for anyone.
I understand the earlier posts and can agree with some that there are some crews that may not be very good at the 3 whistle system and, maybe, shouldn't even be on the field at all. Some Associations didn't want to do this in the first place, so they may not have tweeked their refs yet. Get a good crew and it works like a charm, a bad one will give you more reasons to trash it.
I don't give to much credence to the people who constantly say the refs miss offsides. They could miss offsides as much as if they had flags. Offsides is a judgement call and should be left out of the hands of fans that only see their side, in most cases.
Do I like the system? YES, with the right side referees.
Keep in mind, referees can't do right no matter if they have whistles or flags.
What part of the state are the posts from anyway? mae your area when complaining so everyone knows where the refs are from. That all makes a difference in refs too. JUST MY OPINION.

This is total BS and if you are a HS ref, you know it. The reason they went to this system is because they couldn't get anyone to show up to do the AR job for AR pay. Everyone wanted to do centers so that they got center pay. The solution that was worked out between the refs and FHSAA was to give everyone center pay and sell it to the public as a way to cut down on violent play. It hasn't reduced the number of cards at all. It was a way to get refs to show up due to them getting more money, period. To say that offsides is as easily missed by someone whose primary responsibility is to watch for it as it is for some ref who is totally out of position as he tries to evaluate contact between midfielders is ludicrous. If this was a better way to do it they would be doing it all over the world. Stop telling lies about "why" this is happening and try and do your job. If it doesn't pay enough to bother with then don't do it. You won't be missed.

What steps would be needed in order to get FHSAA to go back to the way it should be. 2 Linesman 1 Ref.

You'd have to go change the statistics gathered from other states showing less red card offenses. It looks like it's here to stay, FHSAA is their own entity and doesn't seem to change for anyone.
I understand the earlier posts and can agree with some that there are some crews that may not be very good at the 3 whistle system and, maybe, shouldn't even be on the field at all. Some Associations didn't want to do this in the first place, so they may not have tweeked their refs yet. Get a good crew and it works like a charm, a bad one will give you more reasons to trash it.
I don't give to much credence to the people who constantly say the refs miss offsides. They could miss offsides as much as if they had flags. Offsides is a judgement call and should be left out of the hands of fans that only see their side, in most cases.
Do I like the system? YES, with the right side referees.
Keep in mind, referees can't do right no matter if they have whistles or flags.
What part of the state are the posts from anyway? mae your area when complaining so everyone knows where the refs are from. That all makes a difference in refs too. JUST MY OPINION.

This is total BS and if you are a HS ref, you know it. The reason they went to this system is because they couldn't get anyone to show up to do the AR job for AR pay. Everyone wanted to do centers so that they got center pay. The solution that was worked out between the refs and FHSAA was to give everyone center pay and sell it to the public as a way to cut down on violent play. It hasn't reduced the number of cards at all. It was a way to get refs to show up due to them getting more money, period. To say that offsides is as easily missed by someone whose primary responsibility is to watch for it as it is for some ref who is totally out of position as he tries to evaluate contact between midfielders is ludicrous. If this was a better way to do it they would be doing it all over the world. Stop telling lies about "why" this is happening and try and do your job. If it doesn't pay enough to bother with then don't do it. You won't be missed.

So...when are you going to honor us with your presence on the field as a new referee? I think you will need to stay in the stands and yell at the refs on the job they are doing or not doing, because I don't think you would last long as a ref.
You are definitely showing your ignorance when you try to tell everyone how the refs and FHSAA are working together to get all the refs paid the same.
To bad these topics can't be discussed, instead of people like you coming up trashing everything some one writes. I guess that's why you wouldn't make it as a ref.

I have played the game it was a long time ago but we had respect for the game. To day the players in high school have no respect for the game or how it should be played. The cheap shots that the player do are just that cheap plays from cheap players. Contact is part of the game, But not this junk we see today. The schools, coaches and parents accept this trashy play.It's just plain disrespectfull to all the hard players that have pasted.

It's about pay. There is no other reason for this rediculous solution to a non existent problem. Like a center referee can't see two teenagers fighting on a small (football) field. I know most of these guys have vision issues, but they can still see well enough to see that. They are selling it as something else, but in the end it was money.

I seriously doubt that it's about money. It's about FHSAA trying to solve the poblem of too many ejections. They think this will give more control of the game. What they don't understand is that ejections in soccer are different from ejections in other sports. Hard fouls in football and basketball are not handled the same as in soccer. What would be a personal foul in football and a tech in basketball would be an ejection in soccer. This is what they need to look at instead of making up some random officiating method.

what about total bench clearing brawls only resulting in couple game suspensions- what would that be in soccer? Is it because the players arent wearing helmets and pads to protect them from fighting?

The rule for bench clearing brawls is consistent, but that is a different circumstance. If any player leaves the bench during a fight they are suspended by the FHSAA. A lot of the time video will be used to determine who left the bench and how they were involved and the suspension and fine will be assest from the information.

The rule for bench clearing brawls is consistent, but that is a different circumstance. If any player leaves the bench during a fight they are suspended by the FHSAA. A lot of the time video will be used to determine who left the bench and how they were involved and the suspension and fine will be assest from the information.

That is exactly the point. In football, a bench clearing brawl will result in a one or two game suspension. In high school soccer, uttering a profanity can result in the same suspension. This is not equitable.

Also, high school refs are notorious for not calling blatant fouls against teams that are in danger of getting mercy ruled. Already this year in one of my daughter's games, while leading 7-0, a player on her team was taken down from behind in the penalty area by a nasty, cleats-up slide tackle. Due to its location on the field, the tackle was directly witnessed by two of the the three officials. However, there was no call. If the reason for the three on-field officials is to reduce these types of tackles, then the rules must always be followed, even when committed by overmatched teams.

I seriously doubt that it's about money. It's about FHSAA trying to solve the poblem of too many ejections. They think this will give more control of the game. What they don't understand is that ejections in soccer are different from ejections in other sports. Hard fouls in football and basketball are not handled the same as in soccer. What would be a personal foul in football and a tech in basketball would be an ejection in soccer. This is what they need to look at instead of making up some random officiating method.

I see more red & yellow cards now then ever before. There is one ref in Seminole County that makes a name for himself to the point that the game can not even be played, he calls every call plus more any type of physcial contact is called I hate to tell him he needs to find something else to support his ego, he yells and screams to the point of total disrespect to coaches. He not only goes after the players, coaches the parents and has his other ref's remain mute throughout the game so he can call it. I'm thinking this is the only place he feels like a man. Complaints are going unheard and everyone has complained. How else do you handle this type of ref. Let the kids play this is a contact sport most of these players play at a higher level and know more then the ref himself. Everyone knows him, and watches in total aw.... He is what makes a bad name for every ref on the field. They are being paid to ref a game not feed their ego and that's exactly what he is doing. There is no control over the ref's and how they ref a game.

I agree with the last 2 posts. We have been in situations this year where we have had a large lead and players were tackling my playres from behind with no cards. Last I checked this was supposed to be a red card in FHSAA.
Like anything else you are going to have to good the bad and the ugly. There is a shortage of officials and unfortunately we are going to get some bad ones.
To be honest how many of us have actually officiated a game. It sure is not easy. Most of these guys are working hard and may miss a few calls. There are some out there who should not be out there, but for the most part the officiating is acceptable. Or should I say tolerable.

I agree with the last 2 posts. We have been in situations this year where we have had a large lead and players were tackling my playres from behind with no cards. Last I checked this was supposed to be a red card in FHSAA.
Like anything else you are going to have to good the bad and the ugly. There is a shortage of officials and unfortunately we are going to get some bad ones.
To be honest how many of us have actually officiated a game. It sure is not easy. Most of these guys are working hard and may miss a few calls. There are some out there who should not be out there, but for the most part the officiating is acceptable. Or should I say tolerable.

I completely disagree. The officiating is not tolerable at all. It is atrocious. Most of these refs have absolutely no business reffing. Many of them are fat, out of shape and know nothing about the game. The worst ones are all of the above and on a power trip. They make a complete mockery out of the game. Unfortunately, unless others step up to the plate, they are all we have right now.

Why dont you step up and become a ref? If you think the officiating is atrocious, then you should do something about it.