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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    This is one area where I actually believe it has little to do with the youth structure. We still have an enormous advantage in player pool, we just do not actually take any advantage of it.

    The USWNT selection is not the best players. It is the specific players they've salaried for the year and who are pushed by sponsors like Nike & Gatorade due to their own contracts. For years we have sent the same group of players with very little turn over, much less than most other teams both women and men. It is a selection process driven by "star power" and commercial interests, not fielding the best 11 on field.
    Good points on where we sit, today, 7/21/21, with that group of players licking their wounds and counting their cash. All fair.

    But we shouldn't be slow(continue to be slow) to recognize this has been trending for some time and that absolutely should fall on the youth structure.

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      #17
      The core is aging and it’s time for new blood.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        The core is aging and it’s time for new blood.
        You're right. But who? How? The roster is old but the players that were left off it still aren't better than the veterans and it may get worst.

        The rest of the world plays because they enjoy it and or want to be a professional. Here, we want status and college soccer!! Woo!!

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          You're right. But who? How? The roster is old but the players that were left off it still aren't better than the veterans and it may get worst.

          The rest of the world plays because they enjoy it and or want to be a professional. Here, we want status and college soccer!! Woo!!
          With the high cost of college it's no wonder parents are looking for anything to help pay for it. Most youth sports see the same college drive. Other countries don't have college sports and college won't cause bankruptcy elsewhere like it can here. For them the ultimate path is a professional one

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            With the high cost of college it's no wonder parents are looking for anything to help pay for it. Most youth sports see the same college drive. Other countries don't have college sports and college won't cause bankruptcy elsewhere like it can here. For them the ultimate path is a professional one

            Under 10% of female soccer players get any sort of $$ of college.

            A vast majority would be far better off just putting the money into a fund.

            Figure if your kid played for ten years and the costs start out at, say, $1000/year and grow to $5k (all-in) at the end, that guesstimated $30k + that parents dropped to pursue something to help pay for it would've been better spending their money elsewhere. At least that's more likely a sure thing.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Under 10% of female soccer players get any sort of $$ of college.

              A vast majority would be far better off just putting the money into a fund.

              Figure if your kid played for ten years and the costs start out at, say, $1000/year and grow to $5k (all-in) at the end, that guesstimated $30k + that parents dropped to pursue something to help pay for it would've been better spending their money elsewhere. At least that's more likely a sure thing.
              Problem is families get sucked into the system long before they know that. And plenty of female players get decent money as long as they've targeted well. On the mens' side there's very little $. Like the poster said other sport parents are similar

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Problem is families get sucked into the system long before they know that. And plenty of female players get decent money as long as they've targeted well. On the mens' side there's very little $. Like the poster said other sport parents are similar
                Still, it's a risky proposition for such little upside. With an average scholarship of $18k, that $72k in total, while doubles the likely cash savings one would have, poses much more risk.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Under 10% of female soccer players get any sort of $$ of college.

                  A vast majority would be far better off just putting the money into a fund.

                  Figure if your kid played for ten years and the costs start out at, say, $1000/year and grow to $5k (all-in) at the end, that guesstimated $30k + that parents dropped to pursue something to help pay for it would've been better spending their money elsewhere. At least that's more likely a sure thing.
                  This is exactly right from a financial perspective. The good part of girls soccer: keeps kids healthy & fit, out of trouble (they have less free time), looks good on CV for college. Most colleges actually have more money for academic scholarships so if you really need the money, your kid should focus on studying.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    We have all seen this coming. Clearly they have done a great job of being the top dogs for quite a while but the truth is the field has not been level for this time. The majority of country had women cooking and plowing the fields instead of playing sports. Now that girls are actually allowed to play the field is much more equal and you see what you get. Much more competition.
                    Something else of note we in the country play for results at most ages. So instead of learning to the art of the game and the details of the game we just learn to boot and shoot and hope for the best. While other countries place a high emphasis on learning the game at the early ages.
                    Its essentially the perfect storm and one that wont be reversed just because of the system we have in place which values Money first and then only winning and not teaching.
                    Oh Well

                    For the record they can still win this tournament if its a thing for you.
                    Well said

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Under 10% of female soccer players get any sort of $$ of college.

                      A vast majority would be far better off just putting the money into a fund.

                      Figure if your kid played for ten years and the costs start out at, say, $1000/year and grow to $5k (all-in) at the end, that guesstimated $30k + that parents dropped to pursue something to help pay for it would've been better spending their money elsewhere. At least that's more likely a sure thing.
                      Do kids really play soccer because of a potential scholarship? I imagine some, but is it really a significant percentage as this seem to imply?

                      Now, that club soccer has ended, and the HS soccer season is about to start, my kid asks to be taken to the soccer fields with friends almost every day. I'm sure none has a scholarship as an end goal. However, they all know what college the just graduated seniors are playing on.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Do kids really play soccer because of a potential scholarship? I imagine some, but is it really a significant percentage as this seem to imply?

                        Now, that club soccer has ended, and the HS soccer season is about to start, my kid asks to be taken to the soccer fields with friends almost every day. I'm sure none has a scholarship as an end goal. However, they all know what college the just graduated seniors are playing on.
                        There are a lot of ignorant parents that truly believe their kid will get a scholarship. However they do not know that the money is slim and so few get full rides. Academic scholarship or financial aid are much more likely. It’s not men’s football or basketball- that bring money to the school. Until these parents define their end goals they keep living in a dream and paying through the nose for camps, trainings, clubs when all that money could be spent on Robinhood stock 🤣

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Well said
                          For the record, you do know that the majority of the Canadian players either play college soccer in the US, play NWSL or live in the United States. The style of play is no different. The only difference was the Canadians were younger, more hungry and played to win.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            For the record, you do know that the majority of the Canadian players either play college soccer in the US, play NWSL or live in the United States. The style of play is no different. The only difference was the Canadians were younger, more hungry and played to win.
                            Yes. Canada plays the same physical defensive style ..packing the box etc...thats why they needed a PK to score.

                            Our younger players (except those playing in Europe) all play same way...kick it long direct soccer. They can't score against any semi quality teams..plus this current team has too many different agendas to play as a team with some not willing to share ball and/or spotlight with each other....

                            Sweden really exposed them on several fronts...team speed, pace of play, and style..plus line ups I felt were disjointed

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                              #29
                              Time for Macario, Pugh, Rodman and Pinto up top

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Time for Macario, Pugh, Rodman and Pinto up top
                                The cycle is now over with this group. It ends on Thursday. Yes, those names as well as many others deserve the opportunity to compete on the international stage. I understand the dynamics of the effect Covid had with training and playing more worthy opponents in exhibitions. Not having that competition showed on the lead up to the Olympics. Coming off the World Cup this group earned the right to go for the Gold in Tokyo. It was a no brainer for US Soccer and the marketing of this program. If Julie Ertz didn’t play the only match they would have won would have been against NZL. With an average age of 30.9 it is clear that this group peaked at the last WC. That being said I hope this group goes out with a win on Thursday.

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