ECNL = $8,000 to $10,000 per year???

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Every year for the last six years there is a non-ECNL team that out recruits the ECNL teams. Effort and coaching are key.

The showcases are bad soccer.

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ECNL showcases match up teams that similar in standings from each conference. So if your team is near the bottom in the northwest division you will be matched up against teams in or near the bottom from the southwest, Midwest, Texas etc

They match up apples to apples so I don’t know how you think they are bad. Sounds again like a disgruntled parent of a cut player or non-ECNL hater.

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Said no one with access to google..

https://www.ecnlgirls.com/2019/11/25...ences-in-2019/


“Consistent with previous years, ECNL Alums have again overwhelmingly dominated the 2019 individual conference honors in the “Power 5” conferences – the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), Big Ten Conference, Big 12 Conference, Southeastern Conference (SEC), and the Pac-12 Conference. In total, there are over 1,100 ECNL Alums playing in these five conferences, accounting for more than 62% of all rostered players in the Power 5.”

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Nationally ECNL is the strongest on the girl's side by a wide margin. There are exceptions of course.

I think the real question is why isn't ECNL stronger in OR.

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To be fair, Oregon usually doesn’t compete well nation wide in other sports either. How many little league teams have made it to the LL World Series? Basketball? Football? Volleyball? It’s a small state. An awesome state. But definitely a David surrounded by some Goliaths (California, Texas, Florida, Illinois, New York, Georgia etc

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Every year for the last six years there is a non-ECNL team that out recruits the ECNL teams. Effort and coaching are key.

This is true but if you weren’t in Oregon ECNL would probably be good.

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What does out recruit mean?

Does it mean that the non-ecnl team is getting better player?

Does or mean that the non-ecnl team is send more players to colleges?

Are we talking boys or girls.

I am just trying to follow the conversation.

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Nationally ECNL is the strongest on the girl's side by a wide margin. There are exceptions of course.

I think the real question is why isn't ECNL stronger in OR.

Other the years teams have done well at the national events. It seems the same clubs are always playing for national championships. For the most part the scores league wide are pretty tight. The population of some areas and the ease of their travel schedule is an advantage. Teams in SoCal and in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic don't have to travel far for games. ECNL is a bit more of a challenge. The Denver area teams face similar challenges as clubs in the Northwest, they seems to get it done on a national level, maybe better coaching, athletes or culture?

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To be fair, Oregon usually doesn’t compete well nation wide in other sports either. How many little league teams have made it to the LL World Series? Basketball? Football? Volleyball? It’s a small state. An awesome state. But definitely a David surrounded by some Goliaths (California, Texas, Florida, Illinois, New York, Georgia etc

Oregon Baseball and Softball do very well nationally.

And so does golf, girls basketball.

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ECNL is stronger than ever. You guys obviously play for some low level local team.

ECNL is the premier league for girls….but the Oregon ECNL teams are trash.

That’s just a fact. And it’s due to the way Oregon has setup their club system. Too much dilution to create a great elite club. Everyone competes for the pocketbook vs acquiring the best talent.

Easy solution….make it low cost- no cost for the players and you will see a real competitive team. Otherwise it’s the same pay to play model and the best players stay where they are vs paying 5-7 times the cost.

This is why Corssfire Premier dominates the NW. no cost to their older u14 and above teams

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ECNL is the premier league for girls….but the Oregon ECNL teams are trash.

That’s just a fact. And it’s due to the way Oregon has setup their club system. Too much dilution to create a great elite club. Everyone competes for the pocketbook vs acquiring the best talent.

Easy solution….make it low cost- no cost for the players and you will see a real competitive team. Otherwise it’s the same pay to play model and the best players stay where they are vs paying 5-7 times the cost.

This is why Corssfire Premier dominates the NW. no cost to their older u14 and above teams

Again, how? Insurance, fields, equipment, coaches, refs, uniforms, getting to practice. This all takes money. How do you pay for it?

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Again, how? Insurance, fields, equipment, coaches, refs, uniforms, getting to practice. This all takes money. How do you pay for it?

Through sponsorship and donations.

That’s how XF Premier and many national clubs do it

It takes a lot of fundraising, but that is why these clubs are designated non-profits.

You have to get creative. You have to build a very strong (young) youth development system with dozens of teams that pay to develop and have the chance to rise to the premier teams. You manage the money wisely and subsidize the premier teams (1 per age group starting at u14). It can be done, but take a long term approach.

FC, Westside, and Thusc lack this vision and only care about their boys programs that are substantially more profitable due to the larger numbers.

Thorns should have stayed independent instead of panicking and going with Westside. Now they are trapped. FC has no younger pools and the shine is off the penny. Crossfire and Thorns will dilute each other and never win anything outside of the region.

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My kid plays there, and I can tell you Crossfire Premier doesn't accomplish it's paid program through donations.

They have a sham non-profit. They force all players in their club to participate in an illegal raffle at $100 a player, all funds go to the crossfire foundation (funds ECNL). So $1800 per team donated to the ECNL program mandatory.

Then they require all club teams to play in all 3 club tournaments at $800+ a tournament and charge $20 a car on top of that (for another $400+ per team), all that money goes to crossfire foundation. The proliance and magic toyota tournaments are straight money grabs and there are almost no teams from outside the club. This years Proliance Tournament our bracket was 2 XF premier teams and one local team we play 3 times a season. Last time we played magic toyota (formerly redapt cup) our bracket was Crossfire premier A/Crossfire Premier B/Crossfire Select A. So fun to pay over $1000 to play teams we can scrimmage for free any day of the week, but our ECNL program is fully funded . . .

It's a total racket and the wheels are falling off the bus as Crossfire Premier is down to 2 teams per age group (non-ecnl) on the girls side, and struggling to fill even those teams. Girls 06 will probably only have 1 team below ECNL when the season starts. If they don't have enough low teams supporting the pyramid scheme it all collapses.

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Through sponsorship and donations.

That’s how XF Premier and many national clubs do it

It takes a lot of fundraising, but that is why these clubs are designated non-profits.

You have to get creative. You have to build a very strong (young) youth development system with dozens of teams that pay to develop and have the chance to rise to the premier teams. You manage the money wisely and subsidize the premier teams (1 per age group starting at u14). It can be done, but take a long term approach.

FC, Westside, and Thusc lack this vision and only care about their boys programs that are substantially more profitable due to the larger numbers.

Thorns should have stayed independent instead of panicking and going with Westside. Now they are trapped. FC has no younger pools and the shine is off the penny. Crossfire and Thorns will dilute each other and never win anything outside of the region.

That isn’t how you do it. And most clubs don’t pay for their older first teams by fundraising. It’s the rest of the kids at the clubs that pay for the first team players. Someone is paying.

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That isn’t how you do it. And most clubs don’t pay for their older first teams by fundraising. It’s the rest of the kids at the clubs that pay for the first team players. Someone is paying.

However you want to define fundraising is up to you. Seems they are fundraising through the rec and development teams.

Either way, can’t deny their dominance over the PAC NW ECNL.

And they have a ton of younger teams still.

All clubs lose numbers as the players age. Only the true player remain past 15 years old. This pattern is even worse at lesser developed clubs... aging out of club soccer and other sports is a fact of life. What matters is how strong your younger development and membership numbers are