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    Ref asking player to leave without giving Red

    I have a question for our referee community.

    In connection with FIFA rules. Can the referee “ask a player to leave” for the game without issuing a red card? (and the player is then legally substituted.) I have seen this more and more recently where a player is removed from the game without issuing a card by asking the coach to remove them. I assume to bypass the paperwork of issuing a red card or perhaps to eject the player without subjecting them to further suspension or fines. What coach is going to say no when the alternative is the player receiving a Red.

    Is this type of action by the referee supported in the FIFA rules ?

    #2
    How old are the kids? No, I do not believe the refs have that authority at all but at the younger ages, especially in leagues or games with unlimited substitutions, I've seen this happen regularly and I actually don't have a problem with it. The alternative is, as you say, to give a kid a red and I like that refs try to avoid that with the younger guys.

    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I have a question for our referee community.

    In connection with FIFA rules. Can the referee “ask a player to leave” for the game without issuing a red card? (and the player is then legally substituted.) I have seen this more and more recently where a player is removed from the game without issuing a card by asking the coach to remove them. I assume to bypass the paperwork of issuing a red card or perhaps to eject the player without subjecting them to further suspension or fines. What coach is going to say no when the alternative is the player receiving a Red.

    Is this type of action by the referee supported in the FIFA rules ?

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      #3
      I have seen it applied in younger age groups twice. Ref stopped game. Walked over to coaches. Coach walked over to kid and walked off field with them. Not same as a red card but indicative something else occurred. Great teaching approach. Red card could have so munch stigma attached to it.

      I don’t think younger age groups u12 and younger actually have cards but discipline and rules need to be learned.

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        #4
        I saw this at least twice at U18 this year. I don't necessary have an issue with it but It kind of opens up a can of worms when you think about it.

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          #5
          Ref is doing kid, player, and coach a solid. The red means they are gone for multiple games. Ref should be applauded for not making it about him or her. This should be applauded.

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            #6
            Yes. Is supported by the rules. Read the FIFA laws of the game.

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              #7
              Suggesting a player to sit out is almost always done before a Red Card offense takes place, not after.

              This is done quite often in high school. A straight red card comes with a minimum of two game suspension, a $250 fine, and a lot of paperwork. For USSF and HS, an attentive referee will sense a change of player behavior that may result in a ejection offense. A good coach should notice it too. Much better for a player to "sit out" to cool down and to get a motivational talking too than to issue a Red Card and play one man short.

              FIFA allows "Sin Bins" for temporary benching of cautioned players. Law 5, as adopted by various USA soccer associations allows discretion for game management by the referee. It's possible to abuse this power, but I have never seen temporary benching done without the consent of the coach. In a few cases, the coach has sent the player home.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Ref is doing kid, player, and coach a solid. The red means they are gone for multiple games. Ref should be applauded for not making it about him or her. This should be applauded.
                Well I agree, but here is where it gets messy. U18 Cup play. Player from team A is given a red (double yellow) and must sit out the next game.

                The next game comes, a player on the other team is on a yellow and commits a very nasty foul late in the game. Ref asks coach to replace him and does not give him a red.

                So our player has to sit out the game but the player on the other team is given a free ride to play in the next game.

                So by allowing Ref's free will to make this kind of "non-call" they are affecting more then just the well being of the player, They are perhaps changing the results of future matches.

                Just a thought.

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                  #9
                  When I played in TN, you had to be subbed out when you received a yellow. Didn't see many double yellow card ejections

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    When I played in TN, you had to be subbed out when you received a yellow. Didn't see many double yellow card ejections
                    Florida has that for high school but its not a FIFA thing.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Suggesting a player to sit out is almost always done before a Red Card offense takes place, not after.

                      This is done quite often in high school. A straight red card comes with a minimum of two game suspension, a $250 fine, and a lot of paperwork. For USSF and HS, an attentive referee will sense a change of player behavior that may result in a ejection offense. A good coach should notice it too. Much better for a player to "sit out" to cool down and to get a motivational talking too than to issue a Red Card and play one man short.

                      FIFA allows "Sin Bins" for temporary benching of cautioned players. Law 5, as adopted by various USA soccer associations allows discretion for game management by the referee. It's possible to abuse this power, but I have never seen temporary benching done without the consent of the coach. In a few cases, the coach has sent the player home.
                      Thanks for the information on Rule 5. I actually never heard about that one before. After reading the information in Rule 5 "sins bin", I don't think it applies to someone that commits a serous foul or who is already on a yellow. (but I could have read that wrong)
                      I also have never seen any documentation from FYSA or US Club leagues about using this but again that doesn't mean they have not put it in somewhere.

                      Thanks

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                        #12
                        We lost because the ref did this and the player who was supposed to be out scored. Not fair to the team they play next either.

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                          #13
                          To clarify what I said before, when Serious Foul Play or Violent Conduct occurs, I will show the Red Card. I never offer the "sit out" option after an offense. It is not the job of the referee to coach, but to manage the game within discretional limits. As center referee, I confer with the AR's when possible to watch the behaviors of certain players, and allow the AR's the ability to discuss "sitting out" with coaches. This is the kind of stuff the referee team talks about during breaks. When AR, I will mention player behavior with the coaches if needed.

                          Double yellows in high school are a blue card. Player gets ejected, but only for that game. Red cards are reserved for serious offenses.

                          Us old referees have watched many players grow up and have many years of contact with various coaching staffs. Plus many of us are fathers and mothers who have grown children. People skills are what are lacking with younger referees. Irony of life is that when you finally become good at something, you're too old to do anything about it.

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