How did thornz acad end up such a mess?

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So delighted to listen to a coach that tells it like it is.

Required viewing for FC PDX & CU parents.

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Not really a reflection on the Thorns per se, but this Burlingame + PSV thing in their division is a laughing stock along the west cost . . . flying to play 1 game and getting blown out.

Literally twice as a bad a situation as it was for the worse Oregon ECNL teams last year (at least they got 2 games when they traveled).

Does the GDA kick those clubs out?

Actually around 20 to 30x worse for any club in the ECNL that has to travel to Oregon to blowout our local clubs.

Why doesn't the ECNL league care about it's member clubs? Strange.

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Actually around 20 to 30x worse for any club in the ECNL that has to travel to Oregon to blowout our local clubs.

Why doesn't the ECNL league care about it's member clubs? Strange.

Skippy, logic isn't your strong suit; stick to peddling Timbers scarfs.

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Skippy, logic isn't your strong suit; stick to peddling Timbers scarfs.

No this has nothing to do with Skippies logic, it's a lack of reality and perspective on your behalf.

You fail to realize that 20 to 30 teams are forced to travel to Oregon or a faraway showcase to blow out our local clubs (FC & CU) Which does in fact make it 20x to 30 worse for each one of those club teams, players & parents. Due to the sheer numbers of out of state families impacted by this. It's probably close to 100x worse since so many pocketbooks are hit by the leagues decision to allow Oregon in the menu.

It's not just about you and your point of view. Please see the video offered up on this page.

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Actually around 20 to 30x worse for any club in the ECNL that has to travel to Oregon to blowout our local clubs.

Why doesn't the ECNL league care about it's member clubs? Strange.

Why do you think so many clubs opted out of the ECNL last year and now have their top players/teams in the USDA (GDA) platform? Every level has teams that don't belong. So what it's not like the local clubs think they belong in a high powered league, the results to date only reinforce they have no business in the league and thankfully the top clubs across the country had better options this year.

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No this has nothing to do with Skippies logic, it's a lack of reality and perspective on your behalf.

You fail to realize that 20 to 30 teams are forced to travel to Oregon or a faraway showcase to blow out our local clubs (FC & CU) Which does in fact make it 20x to 30 worse for each one of those club teams, players & parents. Due to the sheer numbers of out of state families impacted by this. It's probably close to 100x worse since so many pocketbooks are hit by the leagues decision to allow Oregon in the menu.

It's not just about you and your point of view. Please see the video offered up on this page.

For the record, don't really care for the entire diluted national set-up: GDA, ECNL. Despite a bunch of effort to consolidate talent, Soccer talent is less consolidated on the girls' side than it ever has been. GDA made a goofy situation worse.

We are at FC and went 25-31-14 in ECNL last year . . . not blown out, highly competitive, placing girls in college.

Burlingame and PSV are on the other hand getting blown own; 0-17-1 at one point. 6 goals for, 100 against. What is even better is that when teams get to fly to play them they only get 1 game.

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For the record, don't really care for the entire diluted national set-up: GDA, ECNL. Despite a bunch of effort to consolidate talent, Soccer talent is less consolidated on the girls' side than it ever has been. GDA made a goofy situation worse.

We are at FC and went 25-31-14 in ECNL last year . . . not blown out, highly competitive, placing girls in college.

Burlingame and PSV are on the other hand getting blown own; 0-17-1 at one point. 6 goals for, 100 against. What is even better is that when teams get to fly to play them they only get 1 game.

Once your league found out how poor your teams were, they matched you up with other horrible teams in showcases, which is a waste of money for all involved. Crappy teams need to get a tie or w sometimes, Obama would love this league. Too bad parents have to fork out the cash for useless travel.

Any issues with the USDA should be taken up with US Soccer the governing body for the top youth league platform in the country. At least you can call out the insanity at your club sponsored league since it's not an Academy platform, just a group of local clubs who agree to play each other for nothing. So be it. All the best.

BTW, girls from crappy clubs go to college and play soccer since the advent of Title IV funding. It's not relevant to this discussion of paying for nothing more than travel.

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Once your league found out how poor your teams were, they matched you up with other horrible teams in showcases, which is a waste of money for all involved. Crappy teams need to get a tie or w sometimes, Obama would love this league. Too bad parents have to fork out the cash for useless travel.

Any issues with the USDA should be taken up with US Soccer the governing body for the top youth league platform in the country. At least you can call out the insanity at your club sponsored league since it's not an Academy platform, just a group of local clubs who agree to play each other for nothing. So be it. All the best.

BTW, girls from crappy clubs go to college and play soccer since the advent of Title IV funding. It's not relevant to this discussion of paying for nothing more than travel.

What do you mean by "local clubs who agree to pay each other for nothing"?

How is this different than the USDA?

No really sure what you mean by "It's not relevant to this discussion of paying for nothing more than travel"

I agree with the other poster. ECNL and DA are diluted. There are bad teams in BOTH leagues. You just need to take a look at the standings to see the separation.

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For the record, don't really care for the entire diluted national set-up: GDA, ECNL. Despite a bunch of effort to consolidate talent, Soccer talent is less consolidated on the girls' side than it ever has been. GDA made a goofy situation worse.

We are at FC and went 25-31-14 in ECNL last year . . . not blown out, highly competitive, placing girls in college.

Burlingame and PSV are on the other hand getting blown own; 0-17-1 at one point. 6 goals for, 100 against. What is even better is that when teams get to fly to play them they only get 1 game.

Maybe your FC team was not blown out every game, but there were plenty of games that your lost by 3 or more goals.

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What do you mean by "local clubs who agree to pay each other for nothing"?

How is this different than the USDA?

No really sure what you mean by "It's not relevant to this discussion of paying for nothing more than travel"

I agree with the other poster. ECNL and DA are diluted. There are bad teams in BOTH leagues. You just need to take a look at the standings to see the separation.

We have no local clubs in the USDA, they just weren't good enough to get in. Just the NWSL darling Portland Thorns have a US Soccer Academy Club distinction.

CU and FC are just neighborhood clubs in Oregon they aren't an NWSL US Soccer Youth Academy program. That's how it's different it is in Oregon.

Girls go and play college soccer regardless of league or club choice, for many of the Oregonians they are simply wasting thousands and thousands of dollars to play meaningless games in the CU & FC PDX league of choice. There is no correlation between club travel and going to college. That's why it's irrelevant.

Why waste monies on travel when parents have to foot the bill at the local clubs? Wheras the NWSL US Soccer DA club pays for the travel.

It's really that simple.

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We have no local clubs in the USDA, they just weren't good enough to get in. Just the NWSL darling Portland Thorns have a US Soccer Academy Club distinction.

CU and FC are just neighborhood clubs in Oregon they aren't an NWSL US Soccer Youth Academy program. That's how it's different it is in Oregon.

Girls go and play college soccer regardless of league or club choice, for many of the Oregonians they are simply wasting thousands and thousands of dollars to play meaningless games in the CU & FC PDX league of choice. There is no correlation between club travel and going to college. That's why it's irrelevant.

Why waste monies on travel when parents have to foot the bill at the local clubs? Wheras the NWSL US Soccer DA club pays for the travel.

It's really that simple.

FC has never been a neighborhood club - always shot to be best in area. We often fall short but continue to attract talent from throughout the region.

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I doubt US soccer will kick the thorns out so soon.

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So delighted to listen to a coach that tells it like it is.

Required viewing for FC PDX & CU parents.

If this was mind blowing information for you then your kids need help.

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We have no local clubs in the USDA, they just weren't good enough to get in. Just the NWSL darling Portland Thorns have a US Soccer Academy Club distinction.

CU and FC are just neighborhood clubs in Oregon they aren't an NWSL US Soccer Youth Academy program. That's how it's different it is in Oregon.

Girls go and play college soccer regardless of league or club choice, for many of the Oregonians they are simply wasting thousands and thousands of dollars to play meaningless games in the CU & FC PDX league of choice. There is no correlation between club travel and going to college. That's why it's irrelevant.

Why waste monies on travel when parents have to foot the bill at the local clubs? Wheras the NWSL US Soccer DA club pays for the travel.

It's really that simple.

It really is not that simple.

Girls do not necessarily go and play college soccer regardless of league or club choices. ECNL national event give the Oregon girls an opportunity to be seen by college coaches that otherwise would not make the trip out to watch them play. There is a correlation between club travel and playing in college. That is very relevant. There are a ton of college scouts at the ENCL showcases and they do make it out to watch the Oregon team play at these events.

There is also the argument that playing better competition makes you better, but that is debatable. I don't think you can debate my first point.

The Portland Thorns do cover the travel cost of the team, but that is not a NWSL thing. That is a Portland Thorns thing. The Seattle Reign charges around $9K for their program. Also, I think the Portland Thorns is covering cost for only the two oldest teams and I am not sure about the younger teams. US Soccer does not cover travel. They really only cover the referee cost. Travel cost is on a club by club basis.

There are only a handful of NWSL Academy teams, the rest and some of the best playing in the GDA are what you would classify as "neighborhood" clubs. There are 69 clubs in GDA and there are a total of 10 NWSL pro teams.

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I doubt US soccer will kick the thorns out so soon.

Thorns doesn't pay for travel.

$2000 fees x 25 kids = $50,000. Fees charged.
$125 tryouts x 45 kids $5600 tryouts charged.

Travel cost 6 trips x 16 kids x $500 cost = $48,000 cost.

Looks like families are paying for travel.