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Weird how at least one Crossfire parent several times in the last two days have called for "cleats up" "bloodletting" etc. Truly vile! And by vile, I meant the special troll level of vile where they "wish" for their and other kids to hurt our kids. Other Crossfire parents might want to muzzle this scum.

Crossfire *Seattle* has invited ADF up for friendlies because our kids can play with skill.

You might want to go back and read all the posts not just the ones you want. The ADF parents have condoned the type of play you talk of and were in fact the ones who put the "cleats up" comment out there. Know the whole story before you post. I think the adf parents also have the wanbulance picture they could post for you...

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Which players got yellows?

In a tournament as short as State Cup, I'd say that two yellows (in different matches) ought to earn a player a one-match timeout. Either that, or yellows earned in league play ought to carry over.

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I suspect the latter--and just as youth games are for training kids to play soccer, they appear to be for training referees. Howard Webb is not going to show up and ref your kid's U12 game, no matter how far into the State Cup it is.

What modification would you propose?

Having line judges and using non premier level games for "training" and having seasoned qualified officials work premier. OYSA should be monitoring and evaluating these people on an ongoing basis and assign them according to their ability if they were truly doing their jobs. Being an official at any level in any sport is a thankless endevour, but having incompetent individuals at premier level games is obsurd. They move too fast and the kids are now old and physical enough that two more sets of eyes need to be on them. most of the dirty play and officiating issues being discussed would be stopped or severely reduced if this were the case

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I suspect the latter--and just as youth games are for training kids to play soccer, they appear to be for training referees. Howard Webb is not going to show up and ref your kid's U12 game, no matter how far into the State Cup it is.

What modification would you propose?

First thought is to just abolish the rule. If can't call it properly than don't make it part of the rules. Upside is that it would open up the game (back line can't play high). Downside is that it could encourage bootball.

Alternative is some materiality threshold - anything close is always onside.

Really no easy fix.

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In a tournament as short as State Cup, I'd say that two yellows (in different matches) ought to earn a player a one-match timeout. Either that, or yellows earned in league play ought to carry over.

Dumbest thing I've read all day. Looks like Crossfire is yellow card winner?
http://oysa-2017oregonstatecup.sport...2-27F40431D8F8

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Dumbest thing I've read all day. Looks like Crossfire is yellow card winner?
http://oysa-2017oregonstatecup.sport...2-27F40431D8F8

Doesn't appear to include this weekend's matches

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Having line judges and using non premier level games for "training" and having seasoned qualified officials work premier. OYSA should be monitoring and evaluating these people on an ongoing basis and assign them according to their ability if they were truly doing their jobs. Being an official at any level in any sport is a thankless endevour, but having incompetent individuals at premier level games is obsurd. They move too fast and the kids are now old and physical enough that two more sets of eyes need to be on them. most of the dirty play and officiating issues being discussed would be stopped or severely reduced if this were the case

That's an interesting question--the premier games have the better players. Do they have the better qualified (and since it's a job for which you receive compensation, better paid) refs?

One other thought--is the referee coach allowed to advise the ref on the game at all (while the match is in progress), or must referee decisions be made entirely without his input? I suspect the latter--and for ordinary rule enforcement, that's probably the best way to go, but for disciplinary items having the ref coach being able to witness conduct the ref could not see would be an improvement, so the referee can keep his/her eyes where they should be; on the ball.

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Dumbest thing I've read all day. Looks like Crossfire is yellow card winner?
http://oysa-2017oregonstatecup.sport...2-27F40431D8F8

of course Crossfire is the dirtiest team. "Those who cry the loudest..."

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OK. This is going to be a true non-bias assessment of the match. I was at the match because my boy had a game immediately following and I was curious to watch these two teams play since we could possibly be playing the winner . There seem to be bad blood between these teams from the get go, very physical play both ways with FC dominating time of possession (which they did for the entire game). #71 was very aggressive and did seem to use his arms and elbows quite a bit to try and get past the defenders . He also seemed to complain about every call that did not go his way . Copa struck first with a goal that appeared to be offsides, but it was not marked and so play on . Later in the first half FC appear to score on a goal but it was not counted ( I have two admit, I did not have the best angle to see whether it crossed the plane or not). Halftime score Copa 1 and FC 0!!!
In the second half a lot more of the same physical play but now a player from Copa and begin to get very chippy with the referee ( this player is #11). I was highly offended by the attitude of this player! On two occasions he was so frustrated with the referee that he used A gesture that is commonly used in Latin America as a F-U or the equivalent of a double middle finger! In Spanish it means "Puta Madre"! I could not believe that I was seeing a kid of his age do this to the referee who by the way obviously did not know what it meant . I hated seeing this sportsmanship from a young boy and it made me question what kind of role models he has in his life to be doing such things like that .
FC finally got a goal off of a corner kick and tied one one before #71 receive his second yellow card in the game was 1-1 FT.
Although a man down FC came out poised in overtime and really put the pressure on Copas defenders. #91 was all over the field causing havoc and #88 was there to clean up and score 2 goals in OT. Westside just seemed too tired to handle the constant pressure . This was a very intense game and I must say the officiating was terrible, but what do you expect with only one referee. It appeared that FC either had more gas in the tank, or possibly Copa let down their guard a little bit thinking that FC might fold having lost their striker and playing a man down for the last 30 minutes .

Ok. You can be the judge.... Copa's first goal! Offsides or not? It is in minute 4:11

https://www.facebook.com/djpanter.dj...5349025537299/

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Dumbest thing I've read all day. Looks like Crossfire is yellow card winner?
http://oysa-2017oregonstatecup.sport...2-27F40431D8F8

Hi, Crossfire parent here. 3 of those 4 came against CFC. It was the craziest thing I have ever seen. The game was physical to be sure, and the ref was only able to.catch the retaliatory grabs.

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Ok. You can be the judge.... Copa's first goal! Offsides or not? It is in minute 4:11

https://www.facebook.com/djpanter.dj...5349025537299/

is it just me, or does Westside's 05 team seem to have a stalker? Lots of personal information (players' names, links to family's Facebook feeds) has gotten posted here lately. It appears to be someone from FC, and someone who is familiar with Copa's sideline...

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Hi, Crossfire parent here. 3 of those 4 came against CFC. It was the craziest thing I have ever seen. The game was physical to be sure, and the ref was only able to.catch the retaliatory grabs.

Cfc is an extremely physical team. Lots of fouls yesterday playing ADF. I think ADF was awarded about five or six free kicks. The yellow cards for ADF may have been deserved as tensions were high near the end and Cfc was playing bruise ball. I felt bad for the CFC kids. They have the most loud, yelling, demeaning coach I think I've ever seen.

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Ok. You can be the judge.... Copa's first goal! Offsides or not? It is in minute 4:11

https://www.facebook.com/djpanter.dj...5349025537299/

No clue,however I do know the ref could not possibly know either based on his positioning behind the play

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is it just me, or does Westside's 05 team seem to have a stalker? Lots of personal information (players' names, links to family's Facebook feeds) has gotten posted here lately. It appears to be someone from FC, and someone who is familiar with Copa's sideline...

You may be on to something!
Could the player referenced here maybe be involved?

All right, the yardwork is done and the better half isn't watching :), so here's the recap. Of sorts.

Bottom line is--Copa didn't get it done, even with a man advantage. One issue that has plagued the team is lack of depth on defense. FC swiped Copa's starting centerback after fall season, so a forward got moved to the back line (and did very well)--but depth was an issue. The players on Copa's back line are all quite good, but it appears that they ran out of gas--especially after chasing around BSC in a late-evening game Saturday. Given that, I can't blame the players on the field at all--especially the kid who got clobbered, who is one of the nicest players on the roster. They gave it all for their team, and do so every game.

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Dumbest thing I've read all day. Looks like Crossfire is yellow card winner?
http://oysa-2017oregonstatecup.sport...2-27F40431D8F8

Hi, Crossfire parent here. 3 of those 4 came against CFC. It was the craziest thing I have ever seen. The game was physical to be sure, and the ref was only able to catch the retaliatory grabs.