Boys 05

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Whatevs.

If anything should be compared to the likes of Spicer and the rest of the Trump crew (let's leave Hitler out of this), it's the ridiculous conspiracy theories that seem to be peddled in these parts.


What is true is:

1) The Timbers, with the apparent assistance of a wealthy ex-ADF parent and an ex-ADF coach, have formed an 05 DA team, which is going to participate in the GA Cup.

2) Said team includes several players from quite a few local club teams, including the "big four" in 05 boys. No local club seems to have more than two players involved.

3) Many of the clubs were caught off guard, by varying extent, to this--and are surprised that some of their players are flying to Texas in the middle of State Cup.

4) Some people view it suspicious that this weekend has no games involving affected teams (despite the weekend being Easter, and few games being played at all), and smell a rat.

5) Some parents, particularly at non-TA clubs, seem to object to the Timbers DA/GDA, for various reasons, including a) concern about it siphoning off top talent, b) concern that it doesn't siphon off enough talent from their club (favoring TA clubs), c) concerns their fees are subsidizing DA/GDA, d) questioning the Timbers' competence in running the DA, e) concern that the GDA, in particular, is an attempt to kneecap ECNL, f) general dislike of the Timbers.

The part that some people seem to have trouble with, is the belief that Westside is significantly involved in all of this. AFAIK, they aren't. Copa is focused on State Cup, on tryouts, and on its next year's tournament schedule. But it doesn't matter what I say--any club that has "Timbers" on their jersey are apparently all in cahoots with the MLS team, and jointly and severably liable for anything the big Timbers do--and the burden of proof is on WT to prove their innocence. Again, whatevs.

They send a u12 team to GA cup every year. Since Timbers DA historically does not have a u12 team, one is formed in the spring.

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This pic is a little more clear!

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...d8&oe=594EE97E

I see 2 from West side, 2 or 3 from FCPDX, 1 from Washington Timbers, 1 ADF, not sure I have seen the others.

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Good looking bunch. I am pretty sure one of those kids is a Rogue Valley player who was strong at ODP state pool tryouts. People need to relax. They seemed to have pick the top player or two from a variety of clubs in state and the relevant out of state region. That is about the distribution one would expect.

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Good looking bunch. I am pretty sure one of those kids is a Rogue Valley player who was strong at ODP state pool tryouts. People need to relax. They seemed to have pick the top player or two from a variety of clubs in state and the relevant out of state region. That is about the distribution one would expect.

Except one kid in there who was in the bottom 5% of his old team and never played a minute in RTC. But the coach answers to his dad so there you go. For anyone considering 05 Academy get used to those politics.

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Except one kid in there who was in the bottom 5% of his old team and never played a minute in RTC. But the coach answers to his dad so there you go. For anyone considering 05 Academy get used to those politics.

I am a new '05 parent to Oregon who posted for the first time here yesterday and am still trying to figure out what is going on here. If I am understanding correctly, it is the opinion of several that one of these boys should not be on the Timbers DA (His dad part of the Timbers organization)? I was thinking of taking my son to the Timbers academy tryouts on May 8th & 9th, but am not getting a good feeling about what I have been reading on here.
So the best talent is not selected?
Or talent is selected regardless of position?
Excuse my ignorance, but their seems to be a lot more going on here than where I come from. I am used to the best few kids from each position being selected.

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They send a u12 team to GA cup every year. Since Timbers DA historically does not have a u12 team, one is formed in the spring.

Then why are people acting like this is a yuge outrage?

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Then why are people acting like this is a yuge outrage?

Good question!
People want to bitch with out knowing the history....

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Except one kid in there who was in the bottom 5% of his old team and never played a minute in RTC. But the coach answers to his dad so there you go. For anyone considering 05 Academy get used to those politics.

Even if true, I personally feel the outcry expressed on this board greatly exceeds the scope of the harm. And, while no one has identified him by name, there is now a photo and enough descriptors of him that I worry that the young man is being excessively maligned. And perhaps that is worse than letting him play in the tournament or the DA. He's eleven and any favoritism he might (or might not) receive does not genuinely limit the long term soccer future of anyone else. Unfair? Perhaps. Genuinely limiting to anyone else in the long run? Doubtful.

It's probably time everyone let the kid be (as a data point for your argument).

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I am a new '05 parent to Oregon who posted for the first time here yesterday and am still trying to figure out what is going on here. If I am understanding correctly, it is the opinion of several that one of these boys should not be on the Timbers DA (His dad part of the Timbers organization)? I was thinking of taking my son to the Timbers academy tryouts on May 8th & 9th, but am not getting a good feeling about what I have been reading on here.
So the best talent is not selected?
Or talent is selected regardless of position?
Excuse my ignorance, but their seems to be a lot more going on here than where I come from. I am used to the best few kids from each position being selected.

There's a local millionaire who has been trying to buy his kid a spot on various premier teams. Kid is a decent player but not great. Dad is not (otherwise) part of the Timbers organization.

Whether this kid will be part of the Timbers U12 DA team when it forms next May, or simply is on an ad-hoc team that was formed for the Generation Adidas cup, I have no idea. (None of my kids are involved in any of this).

Also, it remains an open question as to how many players will be selected on the basis of an open tryout, and how many already have a spot more or less guaranteed. The coaching staff has been actively studying and recruiting the local talent pool, so I'm sure opinions on many players have already been made (and before anyone whines about this--this is how competitive high-end sports often works. Teams scout and recruit--having to staff a team with an open tryout is often considered a failure of the coaching staff to do its job). OTOH, there will be a tryout session, and if you are interested, you might contact the coaching staff to let them know you are coming (and that you are relocating from out-of-state, and here's your son's playing resume, so they know that you're not a local club player they've already considered and passed over).

A more interesting thing about the photo is it has only nine kids. Are the Timbers travelling down to Texas without a bench? They've got four games in two days, that could get interesting, especially if someone were to get hurt.

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I am a new '05 parent to Oregon who posted for the first time here yesterday and am still trying to figure out what is going on here. If I am understanding correctly, it is the opinion of several that one of these boys should not be on the Timbers DA (His dad part of the Timbers organization)? I was thinking of taking my son to the Timbers academy tryouts on May 8th & 9th, but am not getting a good feeling about what I have been reading on here.
So the best talent is not selected?
Or talent is selected regardless of position?
Excuse my ignorance, but their seems to be a lot more going on here than where I come from. I am used to the best few kids from each position being selected.

Go to tryouts, have your son give it his best effort. If he is good enough to make the team, he most likely will.

No system is perfect, this forum, being anonymous, allows people to voice their opinions good and bad without repercussion. Which isn't always a bad thing.

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I am a new '05 parent to Oregon who posted for the first time here yesterday and am still trying to figure out what is going on here. If I am understanding correctly, it is the opinion of several that one of these boys should not be on the Timbers DA (His dad part of the Timbers organization)? I was thinking of taking my son to the Timbers academy tryouts on May 8th & 9th, but am not getting a good feeling about what I have been reading on here.
So the best talent is not selected?
Or talent is selected regardless of position?
Excuse my ignorance, but their seems to be a lot more going on here than where I come from. I am used to the best few kids from each position being selected.

Unfortunately, you have stumbled onto a very cranky board that likes to argue, criticize, and attack each other. Frankly, you should send your son to the tryout. And you should do as a previous poster suggested. Got to an OYSA State Cup semi-final or both and watch a few of the successful clubs. See which you like. Then contact the club and ask questions.

This is not likely to be the place where you will get an objective analysis of which club has the best combination of development, coaching, good families, and enjoyable experiences. There is too much bias and animus among too many posters. There are many good posters here, but it is hard to hear them between the shouting.

In the end, the problem is not with soccer in Oregon. The problem is with some of the bad apples on this board.

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Good looking bunch. I am pretty sure one of those kids is a Rogue Valley player who was strong at ODP state pool tryouts. People need to relax. They seemed to have pick the top player or two from a variety of clubs in state and the relevant out of state region. That is about the distribution one would expect.

And it's great to see that more than half the team don't play for a TA club and a few didn't even do RTC. Truly is coaches choice!

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Unfortunately, you have stumbled onto a very cranky board that likes to argue, criticize, and attack each other. Frankly, you should send your son to the tryout. And you should do as a previous poster suggested. Got to an OYSA State Cup semi-final or both and watch a few of the successful clubs. See which you like. Then contact the club and ask questions.

This is not likely to be the place where you will get an objective analysis of which club has the best combination of development, coaching, good families, and enjoyable experiences. There is too much bias and animus among too many posters. There are many good posters here, but it is hard to hear them between the shouting.

In the end, the problem is not with soccer in Oregon. The problem is with some of the bad apples on this board.

Hi, I am apparently one of the shouters and I would like to weigh in. Honestly, given your location and your history with commuting for your son to play soccer...you have a of options. There are a lot of good clubs in the area, with a lot of great coaches. Yes, sometimes we get cranky on here but I truly appreciate the diversity of the different clubs, and I would never say a negative about any of them. It sounds like you have been given some different club names, as well as some suggestions to go watch the age group play in State Cup. All great advice. Welcome to Oregon, and I hope your family and Son fi d a great fit.

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Even if true, I personally feel the outcry expressed on this board greatly exceeds the scope of the harm. And, while no one has identified him by name, there is now a photo and enough descriptors of him that I worry that the young man is being excessively maligned. And perhaps that is worse than letting him play in the tournament or the DA. He's eleven and any favoritism he might (or might not) receive does not genuinely limit the long term soccer future of anyone else. Unfair? Perhaps. Genuinely limiting to anyone else in the long run? Doubtful.

It's probably time everyone let the kid be (as a data point for your argument).

Not sure who posted the photo.. was it on a public website? No one is knocking a kid. The point is there is disappointment in a youth soccer system where wealth and influence can dictate roster spots. Ideally our children would be competing on a somewhat level playing field but as we all know that is not the case. Folks have been whining about Timbers corruption in the selection process for years.

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this is good advice

Unfortunately, you have stumbled onto a very cranky board that likes to argue, criticize, and attack each other. Frankly, you should send your son to the tryout. And you should do as a previous poster suggested. Got to an OYSA State Cup semi-final or both and watch a few of the successful clubs. See which you like. Then contact the club and ask questions.

This is not likely to be the place where you will get an objective analysis of which club has the best combination of development, coaching, good families, and enjoyable experiences. There is too much bias and animus among too many posters. There are many good posters here, but it is hard to hear them between the shouting.

In the end, the problem is not with soccer in Oregon. The problem is with some of the bad apples on this board.

i used to coach at one of the "DA B Teams" (but moved to a small town with nothing). i would take your player to the actual timbers tryouts, then if they don't make it there, i wouldn't settle for one of the non-DA teams. but that's just me. i actually know the coach at ADF, he's a good player, and they have some great teams but i choose not to coach the same way he does. it would be my only other option after DA teams.