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Doubtful because he was using the British number system, not the south american system which Copa play.

The 4–3–3 formation to stress that in South American, number ten is midfield & the #3 or #4 would be considered the British #6.

1 Goleiro (Goalkeeper)
2 Lateral Direito (right wingback)
3 Beque Central (centre back)
4 Quarto Zagueiro (the "fourth defender", almost the same as a centre back)
6 Lateral Esquerdo (left wingback)
5 Volante ("Rudder", the defensive midfielder)
8 Meia Direita (right midfielder)
10 Meia Esquerda (left midfielder, generally more offensive than the right one)
7 Ponta Direita (right winger)
9 Centro-Avante (centre forward)
11 Ponta Esquerda (left winger)

No I don't coach either.

You forgot about the 1984 sweeper that they play with when state cup rolls around. Since they don't teach their kids to keep the ball when state cup rolls around they need to play with a sweeper in order to protect from getting caught on a counter attack

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You forgot about the 1984 sweeper that they play with when state cup rolls around. Since they don't teach their kids to keep the ball when state cup rolls around they need to play with a sweeper in order to protect from getting caught on a counter attack

Sweeper? Were I an opposing striker, and thus had only one defender to beat on a through-ball rather than three or four, I would love that. But I haven't seen a true sweeper (i.e. a free defender stationed behind the fullbacks) employed anywhere outside of U9 rec. (The rec team that DID play that formation--a 1-2-1-2--would have slaughtered 90% of OYSA U9 teams BTW...)

Now, there are football alignments which use fast defensive midfielders, stationed above the fullbacks, in a sweeper-ish role (including running down through balls while the fullbacks hold position). But such players aren't true sweepers, as they do not prevent the deployment of high lines and offside traps. (Indeed, if you are going to play a high line consistently, being able to deal with balls played into the vast space between the line and the goal is important).

And of course--it should be noted that MANY clubs change up their formations for state cups--you'll see much more bootball played once elimination becomes a risk. Happens every year.

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Doubtful because he was using the British number system, not the south american system which Copa play.

The 4–3–3 formation to stress that in South American, number ten is midfield & the #3 or #4 would be considered the British #6.

1 Goleiro (Goalkeeper)
2 Lateral Direito (right wingback)
3 Beque Central (centre back)
4 Quarto Zagueiro (the "fourth defender", almost the same as a centre back)
6 Lateral Esquerdo (left wingback)
5 Volante ("Rudder", the defensive midfielder)
8 Meia Direita (right midfielder)
10 Meia Esquerda (left midfielder, generally more offensive than the right one)
7 Ponta Direita (right winger)
9 Centro-Avante (centre forward)
11 Ponta Esquerda (left winger)

No I don't coach either.

Thank goodness!! Your nonsense would baffle the players!

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Thank goodness!! Your nonsense would baffle the players!

Quick education on the evolution and different systems that have been and still are in use:

The first time numbers were used in association football in Europe was 25 August 1928 when Sheffield Wednesday played Arsenal[4] and Chelsea hosted Swansea Town at Stamford Bridge. Numbers were assigned by field location:

Goalkeeper
Right full back (right side centre back)
Left full back (left side centre back)
Right half back (right side defensive midfield)
Centre half back (centre defensive midfield)
Left half back (left side defensive midfield)
Outside right (right winger)
Inside right (attacking midfield)
Centre forward
Inside left (attacking midfield)
Outside left (left winger)

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In the modern game however, older number associations still carry through. The European continent can generally be seen as adopting:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Right full back
4 Centre half back
5 Centre half back
3 Left full back
6 Defensive Midfielder
8 Central Midfielder
10 Attacking Midfielder
7 Right Winger
9 Striker
11 Left Winger

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In a traditional 4–4–2 system in the UK, the squad numbers 1–11 would usually have been occupied in this manner:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Right back
3 Left back
4 Central midfielder (more defensive)
5 Centre back
6 Centre back
7 Right winger
8 Central midfielder (more attacking)
9 Centre forward (usually a target player)
10 Striker (usually a fast poacher)
11 Left winger
However, in a more modern 4–2–3–1 system, they will be arranged like this:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Right back
3 Left back
4 Centre back
5 Centre back
6 Central midfielder (more defensive)
7 Right winger
8 Central midfielder
9 Striker
10 Central midfielder (more attacking)
11 Left winger

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Argentina
Argentina developed its numeration system independently from the rest of the world. This was due to the fact that until the 1960s, Argentine football developed more or less isolated from the evolution brought by English, Italian and Hungarian coaches, owing to technological limitations at the time in communications and travelling with Europe, lack of information as to keeping up with news, lack of awareness and/or interest in the latest innovations, and strong nationalism promoted by the Asociación del Fútbol Argentino (for example, back then Argentines playing in Europe were banned from playing in the Argentine national team).

The first formation used in Argentine football was the 2–3–5 and, until the '60s, it was the sole formation employed by Argentine clubs and the Argentina national football team, with only very few exceptions like River Plate's La Máquina from the '40s that used 3–2–2–3. It wasn't until the mid '60s in the national team, with Argentina winning the Taça das Nações (1964) using 3–2–5, and the late '60s, for clubs, with Estudiantes winning the treble of the Copa Libertadores (1968, 1969, 1970) using 4–4–2, that Argentine football finally adopted modern formations on major scale, and caught up with its counterparts on the other side of the Atlantic.

While the original 2–3–5 formation used the same numbering system dictated by the English clubs in 1928, subsequent changes were developed independently.

The basic formation to understand the Argentine numeration system is the 4–3–3 formation, like the one used by the coach César Menotti that made Argentina win the 1978 World Cup, the squad numbers employed are:

1 Goalkeeper
4 Right Back
2 First Centre Back / Sweeper
6 Second Centre Back / Stopper
3 Left Back[24]
8 Right Midfielder
5 Central Defensive Midfielder
10 Left Midfielder
7 Right Winger
9 Centreforward
11 Left Winger

In a 4–3–1–2 like those used by the multichampion teams of Independiente in the 1980s and Boca Juniors in the 2000s, the use of an enganche (playmaker) and the re-accommodation of other roles changes the numbers:

1 Goalkeeper
4 Right Back
2 First Centre Back
6 Second Centre Back
3 Left Back
8 Right Midfielder
5 Central Defensive Midfielder
11 Left Midfielder
10 Playmaker
7 Second Striker
9 Centreforward

When using a 4–4–2 like that of the multichampion Estudiantes de La Plata of the 1960s or the Argentine national team that became runners-up in the 2014 World Cup, the numbers are the same as in 4–3–3, except that the box-to-box midfielder may have any number. In Argentina, the role is called doble 5 so there isn't any fixed convention as to which number it has. Also, due to the use of just two strikers, the number 11 may not be used at all. So, the numbers are:

1 Goalkeeper
4 Right Back
2 First Centre Back / Sweeper
6 Second Centre Back / Stopper
3 Left Back
8 Right Midfielder
5 Central Defensive Midfielder
# Box-to-box Midfielder (may have any number)
10 Left Midfielder
7 Second Striker
9 Centreforward

Then there is the 4–2–3–1 formation, ubiquitous at world-level in the 2010s, and employed in Argentina by the national team nicknamed Los 4 Fantásticos that finished first in CONMEBOL 2014 World Cup qualifying, attacking with the forwards Sergio Agüero, Lionel Messi, Ángel Di María and Gonzalo Higuaín. The numbers used are:

1 Goalkeeper
4 Right Back
2 First Centre Back
6 Second Centre Back
3 Left Back
8 Midfielder
5 Central Defensive Midfielder
7 Right Winger
10 Playmaker
11 Left Winger
9 Centreforward

Meanwhile, the 3–5–2 formation, famously used by the coach Carlos Bilardo to make Argentina win the 1986 World Cup and become runners-up in the 1990 World Cup, and one of the last major changes in the history of football formations, changes drastically the use of numbers, due to major movements in roles and positions:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Sweeper
4 Right Stopper
6 Left Stopper
8 Right Wing-Back
7 Right Central Midfielder
5 Central Defensive Midfielder
11 Left Central Midfielder
3 Left Wing-Back
10 Playmaker / Second Striker
9 Centreforward

The 3–3–3–1, used by the coach Marcelo Bielsa to help Argentina finish first in the CONMEBOL's 2002 FIFA World Cup qualifiers, become runners-up in the 2004 Copa América and win the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics. It was also employed by the Argentine under-20 team that won the 2015 South American Youth Football Championship. 3–3–3–1 uses mixtures from many of the aforementioned formations:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Sweeper
4 Right Stopper
6 Left Stopper
8 Right Wing-Back
5 Central Defensive Midfielder
3 Left Wing-Back
7 Right Winger
10 Playmaker
11 Left Winger
9 Centreforward

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and finally this system was shared on the forum, that caused confusion for some neophytes.

In Brazil, the 4–2–4 formation was developed independently from Europe, thus leading to a different numbering – here shown in the 4–3–3 formation to stress that in Brazil, number ten is midfield:

1 Goleiro (Goalkeeper)
2 Lateral Direito (right wingback)
3 Beque Central (centre back)
4 Quarto Zagueiro (the "fourth defender", almost the same as a centre back)
6 Lateral Esquerdo (left wingback)
5 Volante ("Rudder", the defensive midfielder)
8 Meia Direita (right midfielder)
10 Meia Esquerda (left midfielder, generally more offensive than the right one)
7 Ponta Direita (right winger)
9 Centro-Avante (centre forward)
11 Ponta Esquerda (left winger)

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In a traditional 4–4–2 system in the UK, the squad numbers 1–11 would usually have been occupied in this manner:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Right back
3 Left back
4 Central midfielder (more defensive)
5 Centre back
6 Centre back
7 Right winger
8 Central midfielder (more attacking)
9 Centre forward (usually a target player)
10 Striker (usually a fast poacher)
11 Left winger
However, in a more modern 4–2–3–1 system, they will be arranged like this:

1 Goalkeeper
2 Right back
3 Left back
4 Centre back
5 Centre back
6 Central midfielder (more defensive)
7 Right winger
8 Central midfielder
9 Striker
10 Central midfielder (more attacking)
11 Left winger

Bro....we get it. You are a student of the game. You do realize that the 05's play 9 V 9, right? Thanks for over sharing.

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Boy, this got weird quick.

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Bro....we get it. You are a student of the game. You do realize that the 05's play 9 V 9, right? Thanks for over sharing.

Don't know that number system can you educate us?

That being the case how would anyone know what a #6 is in american invention of 9v9? In a country where we don't even use or have a number system for our beloved 'soccer'.

Trying to get on the same page.

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Don't know that number system can you educate us?

That being the case how would anyone know what a #6 is in american invention of 9v9? In a country where we don't even use or have a number system for our beloved 'soccer'.

Trying to get on the same page.

9v9, and small-sided soccer in general, is hardly an American invention. If anything, it's another example of the US finally adopting good practices that have been employed abroad for years.

But jeez. I use casually use "#6" as slang for "defensive midfielder", and it inspires a veritable dissertation into the different formations employed around the world.

Awesome.

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Boy, this got weird quick.

Can you imagine the post game chats in the car? So much soccer knowledge.. gives me the shivers.

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9v9, and small-sided soccer in general, is hardly an American invention. If anything, it's another example of the US finally adopting good practices that have been employed abroad for years.

But jeez. I use casually use "#6" as slang for "defensive midfielder", and it inspires a veritable dissertation into the different formations employed around the world.

Awesome.

Despite being no anglophile, I knew exactly what you meant when you said a #6 - guess that makes me old.

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9v9, and small-sided soccer in general, is hardly an American invention. If anything, it's another example of the US finally adopting good practices that have been employed abroad for years.

But jeez. I use casually use "#6" as slang for "defensive midfielder", and it inspires a veritable dissertation into the different formations employed around the world.

Awesome.

Huh..question was detail, outline, assign the numbers to a 9 v 9 system used in American Youth Soccer today.

Real simple..All the best!