ODP vs ECNL - results say either or both!!

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Looks like playing ECNL is a good thing for recruiting.

By that logic playing in the OYSA or any recreational league while growing up is a good thing for recruiting.

Yawn....

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Looks like playing ECNL is a good thing for recruiting.

When I look through the various colleges, I see equal numbers of signed college recruits between ODP and ECNL. Some colleges have more ECNL recruits, others have more ODP.

Here is Michigan State signing day list as an example..
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/w-...020713aaa.html
In this case, they only have one ECNL recruit but they have multiple ODP's

Then there is Clemson:
http://www.clemsontigers.com/ViewArt...CLID=210703403
There is no mention of ODP and a good number of ECNL.

Overall I would say that the recruiting numbers are about evenly split across the country.

If your DD is targeting a specific school then you better know which program they tend to recruit from and go there. Otherwise, either one will do the job.

That being said, just keep in mind that $10K pays for a year of tuition at either of the Oregon D1 schools, so spending $40K+ on pre-college soccer travel may not be the best investment. One unfortunate twist of a knee on the soccer field could end your DD's soccer career and flush that investment down the toilet. It's sad, but true.
Be smart about where you put your money. If you have enough to cover college if something ends your DD's soccer career, then spend the money. Why not. If not, save your money for tuition and let your daughter be a walk-on college player.

Also, many of the recruits also have the words "Honor Student" or "Graduate with Honors" and "Honor Society" in their bio. So grades are nearly as important as soccer skills. Many of these players are getting more academic scholarship money than athletic.

Lastly, remember to let them be kids through all of this. Regardless of everything - Soccer is still a game. It's supposed to be FUN. Additionally, they only get one trip through childhood and teenage years. Make sure it's a happy time filled with good family time memories. Not something you regret later because you drove them like rented mules towards their "SOCCER SUCCESS".

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By that logic playing in the OYSA or any recreational league while growing up is a good thing for recruiting.
Yawn....

As predicted.... The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out, the spineless TS forum worms login to whine and pout......

Seriously though - Any idiot can bash. Be the bigger person and add real useful information to the conversation... Maybe some solid stats, signing numbers from multiple colleges, recruitment rates from various programs. Or maybe recruitment rates of kids who played solely in rec or standard club soccer? You pick. Skip the bashing and add helpful information for the people who are just starting this process with their kids.

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When I look through the various colleges, I see equal numbers of signed college recruits between ODP and ECNL. Some colleges have more ECNL recruits, others have more ODP.

Here is Michigan State signing day list as an example..
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/w-...020713aaa.html
In this case, they only have one ECNL recruit but they have multiple ODP's

Then there is Clemson:
http://www.clemsontigers.com/ViewArt...CLID=210703403
There is no mention of ODP and a good number of ECNL.

Overall I would say that the recruiting numbers are about evenly split across the country.

If your DD is targeting a specific school then you better know which program they tend to recruit from and go there. Otherwise, either one will do the job.

That being said, just keep in mind that $10K pays for a year of tuition at either of the Oregon D1 schools, so spending $40K+ on pre-college soccer travel may not be the best investment. One unfortunate twist of a knee on the soccer field could end your DD's soccer career and flush that investment down the toilet. It's sad, but true.
Be smart about where you put your money. If you have enough to cover college if something ends your DD's soccer career, then spend the money. Why not. If not, save your money for tuition and let your daughter be a walk-on college player.

Also, many of the recruits also have the words "Honor Student" or "Graduate with Honors" and "Honor Society" in their bio. So grades are nearly as important as soccer skills. Many of these players are getting more academic scholarship money than athletic.

Lastly, remember to let them be kids through all of this. Regardless of everything - Soccer is still a game. It's supposed to be FUN. Additionally, they only get one trip through childhood and teenage years. Make sure it's a happy time filled with good family time memories. Not something you regret later because you drove them like rented mules towards their "SOCCER SUCCESS".

The balance is shifting. 10 years ago all the D1 recruits were from ODP. Now the majority come from ECNL. ODP is quickly dying off in most states and only stays alive in Oregon because it's a cash cow for the Timbers.

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The balance is shifting. 10 years ago all the D1 recruits were from ODP. Now the majority come from ECNL. ODP is quickly dying off in most states and only stays alive in Oregon because it's a cash cow for the Timbers.

Does it help your ego to post without adding of any value to the discussion? Baffling... Where are your FACTS? Real stats. Anything to show that you know what you are talking about? Any fool can post drivel. Instead, show us your intelligence and debate with real facts... I'm happy to consider your position if you would just post the data to back it up..

The ECNL was founded in 2009 and has definitely taken about 50% of recruit market share away from ODP but that stabilized a few years ago. Beyond that, your claims are unsustainable.
Where are your stats?

The current, real world numbers show about an equal split.. If you have some real information I would love to see it. Show some real numbers or you are just wasting your own time...

The bottom line is that both programs are heavily and equally recruited by D1 schools of all levels..

I can post signing day stats like the other ones in this thread all day long - the end result is a relative tie.

Continuing in that effort... Here is LSU's 2016 signing day report. 9 new faces..
http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle...CLID=210685417
3 players did both ODP and ECNL (including Zoe Higgins from Boring, OR)
1 player did ODP only
1 player did ECNL only
1 was international
3 players did neither ECNL or ODP..

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When I look through the various colleges, I see equal numbers of signed college recruits between ODP and ECNL. Some colleges have more ECNL recruits, others have more ODP.

Here is Michigan State signing day list as an example..
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/w-...020713aaa.html
In this case, they only have one ECNL recruit but they have multiple ODP's

Then there is Clemson:
http://www.clemsontigers.com/ViewArt...CLID=210703403
There is no mention of ODP and a good number of ECNL.

Overall I would say that the recruiting numbers are about evenly split across the country.

If your DD is targeting a specific school then you better know which program they tend to recruit from and go there. Otherwise, either one will do the job.

That being said, just keep in mind that $10K pays for a year of tuition at either of the Oregon D1 schools, so spending $40K+ on pre-college soccer travel may not be the best investment. One unfortunate twist of a knee on the soccer field could end your DD's soccer career and flush that investment down the toilet. It's sad, but true.
Be smart about where you put your money. If you have enough to cover college if something ends your DD's soccer career, then spend the money. Why not. If not, save your money for tuition and let your daughter be a walk-on college player.

Also, many of the recruits also have the words "Honor Student" or "Graduate with Honors" and "Honor Society" in their bio. So grades are nearly as important as soccer skills. Many of these players are getting more academic scholarship money than athletic.

Lastly, remember to let them be kids through all of this. Regardless of everything - Soccer is still a game. It's supposed to be FUN. Additionally, they only get one trip through childhood and teenage years. Make sure it's a happy time filled with good family time memories. Not something you regret later because you drove them like rented mules towards their "SOCCER SUCCESS".

I know far too many driving them like mules. We're trying hard not to. I see many burn outs and many unhappy people who feel they missed their childhood. But some successes too. Problem is they won't know which way it will go until it is too late. We try not to forget that soccer is a game and that our DDs are children first, family & community members 2nd, students 3rd and players 4th.

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And here is the Ole Miss 2016 signing day report (ranked 3rd in the NCAA at the end of last season)
http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/...020816aac.html
7 players signed
3 players from ODP
3 players from ECNL
1 player did both ODP and ECNL

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And here is the Ole Miss 2016 signing day report (ranked 3rd in the NCAA at the end of last season)
http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/...020816aac.html
7 players signed
3 players from ODP
3 players from ECNL
1 player did both ODP and ECNL

I forgot to add - 4 of the above recruits were honor student....

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Does it help your ego to post without adding of any value to the discussion? Baffling... Where are your FACTS? Real stats. Anything to show that you know what you are talking about? Any fool can post drivel. Instead, show us your intelligence and debate with real facts... I'm happy to consider your position if you would just post the data to back it up..

The ECNL was founded in 2009 and has definitely taken about 50% of recruit market share away from ODP but that stabilized a few years ago. Beyond that, your claims are unsustainable.
Where are your stats?

The current, real world numbers show about an equal split.. If you have some real information I would love to see it. Show some real numbers or you are just wasting your own time...

The bottom line is that both programs are heavily and equally recruited by D1 schools of all levels..

I can post signing day stats like the other ones in this thread all day long - the end result is a relative tie.

Continuing in that effort... Here is LSU's 2016 signing day report. 9 new faces..
http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle...CLID=210685417
3 players did both ODP and ECNL (including Zoe Higgins from Boring, OR)
1 player did ODP only
1 player did ECNL only
1 was international
3 players did neither ECNL or ODP..

Just one example. There are many more if you just do a little research.

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/?p=2144

67% of players in Pac 12 came from the ECNL
10 of the 11 players on the Pac 12 1st team came from the ECNL
etc. etc.

And it's the same in all the other big conferences.

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Just one example. There are many more if you just do a little research.

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/?p=2144

67% of players in Pac 12 came from the ECNL
10 of the 11 players on the Pac 12 1st team came from the ECNL
etc. etc.

And it's the same in all the other big conferences.

Decent information. A little dated since it 9nly looks at pre 2016 recruitment and biased but decent. I like the links to the actual schools recruit signing pages better. No bias and direct from the schools. Also shows the whole story. Not just the ECNL side.

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You should question the motives of any coach who steers top kids away from ECNL. Especially a coach who then delivers an expensive yearly travel itinerary.

If you are ok with travel and want to play the best you should be in the ECNL.