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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhen the other "local" D1 universities; UW, PSU, Oregon State, Oregon can deliver a national championship (or 2),you can talk about UP not being the "gold standard". You people need to keep a proper perspective. The sky is not falling, regardless of what the fair-weather "fans" want to believe.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOK the National Championships were awhile ago with another players from the previous staff. The decline was gradual to rapid. The sky is not falling it is actually past that.
Could you do us all a favor and explain what is actually going well for the program as of now and giving you some reason for optimism? (Besides the cavalcade of FC kids headed there.)
Bandwagon/ fair weather fans are the worst. Women's soccer has been THE only bright spot for UP. It certainly hasn't been baseball or basketball.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHere's the rub, I'm not even a big fan of UP soccer. My issue is all the whining about how terrible this program is. Well show me another "local" D1 program that has reached the pinnacle that UP has. What "local" program has become or is the current "gold standard"? I can tell you...none.
Bandwagon/ fair weather fans are the worst. Women's soccer has been THE only bright spot for UP. It certainly hasn't been baseball or basketball.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI think we agree that UofP soccer has been great. I think most of us have watched the steady decline and wish it to reverse and become relevant again. Doesn't make us fair weather fans in fact we are still fans. We just want to win again.
That is the competitive recruiting landscape that UP has to compete in. They still manage to get very good players. But, they now rely on those players much earlier in their careers. They don't have the luxury of developing and maturing for a season or two.
My point is, it's all about having a proper perspective. There are reasons and factors behind decline beyond the easy assertion that the coaching sucks. Hell any idiot can do that. Unfortunately, to many do.
The pendulum has swung away from what it once was, but you know what pendulums do.
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The coaching is stale and should change. It doesn't mean they're bad people or bad coaches. They've just been there a long time trying to carry on what Clive started but none of them are Clive. While we remember Clive, today's recruits never knew who he was and it's time to move on.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is less an indictment of UofP or FC, but more of a statement of Oregon soccer in general. Yes, UofP sucks, as does PSU, UofO and OSU. The big 'D1' destinations for girls here in Oregon. The roster at these institutions are inundated with playsers from Westside, Thusc, Eugene and FC.
This is why Oregon needed ECNL. Being on top of the pile of crap that is Oregon soccer isn't enough for the next level of play.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is spot on. If our Oregon D1 teams recruit from Oregon's much lesser pool of talent, no way they can compete. Only the very rare Oregon player can compete with the Washington, CalNorth, CalSouth, etc players at the high school age. What makes these colleges think so many Oregon girls can compete against them in college?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostUnfortunately, more schools want to win now also. The landscape for women's soccer has changed with its increased popularity. Recruiting against the bigger, brand name soccer programs with bigger budgets have increased the challenge. Now add larger schools that didn't have a First tier soccer program commiting more money and resources.
That is the competitive recruiting landscape that UP has to compete in. They still manage to get very good players. But, they now rely on those players much earlier in their careers. They don't have the luxury of developing and maturing for a season or two.
My point is, it's all about having a proper perspective. There are reasons and factors behind decline beyond the easy assertion that the coaching sucks. Hell any idiot can do that. Unfortunately, to many do.
The pendulum has swung away from what it once was, but you know what pendulums do.
To many excuses. Wining is a learned behavior. We seem to be learning how to make excuses.
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