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A solid argument for not play any competitive soccer.

However, she didn't get any academic money? You chould consider yourself lucky most don't get pure 50% their Freshman year. That's why if you look at most of the rosters of college girls out there, they all have very high GPA's.

We're not doing it in the hopes of getting a scholarship, if it happens, that's just gravy on the biscuit. But it may open doors to schools that might not be D1 athletically, but superior academically (which is more important). She does it for the challenge, the love of playing the game, the camaraderie and at this point, habit. We encourage it, for those reasons and because it makes her be accountable, teaches leadership, it builds self confidence. (she is very comfortable with who she is and that can be huge for teenage girls), she has become savvy about time management (she's busy as hell), and on and on. ECNL or even club soccer is not for everyone. That's O.K.

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Agreed. Academics are the key. Don't chase scholarships in athletics.

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My daughter was recruited by several high level division 1 schools. There are very few girls that get full scholarships. Some of these teams have girls in the national teams. There are only 14 scholarships to divide up between 22-30 girls. The only full rides in women's sports is volleyball and basketball. My daughter is committed to a d-i school for next year and she is receiving 50%and we have to pay the rest. We have done club soccer since she was in 4th grade and we would have been better off putting the money in the bank and it would have paid for 2 full years at Oregon. At the end of the day its women's soccer. Only parents with girls that play really care about it, the rest of the world could care less. Being a d1 athlete is not all its cracked up to be. Instead of living your athletic fantasy through you daughter get some perspective and stay off these blogs bragging about something you could never do. Support your daughter and enjoy the short amount of time she has left playing soccer.

Your last sentence was your best but please don't hint that supporting your daughter means not helping her pursue her dreams. If you had went to your daughter at age 12 and said, "sorry honey, you aren't going to play club soccer because we want to save money to become a duck" would that have been the right move?

Your comment of "at the end of the day its women's soccer" makes me doubt you have a daughter that plays. Go to a women's world cup game and tell me that is still the case. Your comment is offensive and sexist; you should be ashamed of yourself. It is women's soccer and it is tactical, technical and beautiful. There isn't a better feeling in the world than watching your daughter enjoy herself with her teammates and I am sorry if you haven't felt that joy.

About playing college soccer...you either didn't play college sports or didn't have a good experience. I, for one, did and it was simply an incredible experience. To play at UNC against their crowd is an experience that is rarely rivaled (other than being a dad). That doesn't say anything about the experiences of traveling with my best friends, learning about hard work, developing time-management skills and how to deal with disappointment.

Finally, the point another poster made about developing our daughters into good people and using athletics to help was spot-on. My daughter is comfortable with herself, her body and in social situations which can be attributed to soccer. She is great at time-management, dealing with what the game has thrown at her and other social aspects which is hard to teach as a parent.

Is soccer the only answer? Of course not but it is an answer and because my DD loves the game we are giving her the opportunity for the game to teach her about life. You are simply misguided and for some reason felt it would be a good thing to trash on an entire sex and if a player reads this, little girls. My guess: you wouldn't verbalize what you wrote in public unless it is with your therapist.

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Spot on

Your last sentence was your best but please don't hint that supporting your daughter means not helping her pursue her dreams. If you had went to your daughter at age 12 and said, "sorry honey, you aren't going to play club soccer because we want to save money to become a duck" would that have been the right move?

Your comment of "at the end of the day its women's soccer" makes me doubt you have a daughter that plays. Go to a women's world cup game and tell me that is still the case. Your comment is offensive and sexist; you should be ashamed of yourself. It is women's soccer and it is tactical, technical and beautiful. There isn't a better feeling in the world than watching your daughter enjoy herself with her teammates and I am sorry if you haven't felt that joy.

About playing college soccer...you either didn't play college sports or didn't have a good experience. I, for one, did and it was simply an incredible experience. To play at UNC against their crowd is an experience that is rarely rivaled (other than being a dad). That doesn't say anything about the experiences of traveling with my best friends, learning about hard work, developing time-management skills and how to deal with disappointment.

Finally, the point another poster made about developing our daughters into good people and using athletics to help was spot-on. My daughter is comfortable with herself, her body and in social situations which can be attributed to soccer. She is great at time-management, dealing with what the game has thrown at her and other social aspects which is hard to teach as a parent.

Is soccer the only answer? Of course not but it is an answer and because my DD loves the game we are giving her the opportunity for the game to teach her about life. You are simply misguided and for some reason felt it would be a good thing to trash on an entire sex and if a player reads this, little girls. My guess: you wouldn't verbalize what you wrote in public unless it is with your therapist.

All three of my kids are much better for playing competitive soccer. Will any get college scholarships? Probably not. Not the reason we are doing this. Their school is already paid for by their grandparents. Reason we are doing it is exactly what the previous poster intimated: The practices, the trainings, the wins, the losses, the travel to out of state tournaments have taught all of them so much more about life. How to prepare. How to deal with adversity. How to love putting in the time to see the spoils of victory. How to get along with others. How to deal with politics. How to deal with good coaches. How to deal with bad coaches (yes, we have had a few, over the years).

End of the day---they have all come out better people. They are all good students. They all manage their time effectively and accordingly. They all have great friends on their teams. They get along in almost all social settings fine. They are confident young women who have gotten so much more out of their soccer experiences than I would have ever imagined. All the way along, we have stressed grades and schoolwork and school ALWAYS comes first. I can only think of a handful of times that any of my girls had to miss a game/practice/team event due to school work. They force themselves to manage their time in a good way so that they do not miss soccer related stuff and all still get above a 3.5 average.

They are learning imporant life lessons that will help them deal with the real issues and problems that the world will present to them over the next 40-50-60 years. I am proud and I am pleased that they stuck with it and have made soccer a way of life for the past 8-10 years. I find that the weeks that they have "off" from training or practice, the girls go crazy. It's almost like they need that routine or those practice hours. It's become a huge part of their day to day and week to week life. Without that structure, we tend to have more arguments between the girls, more bickering and just more issues. Soccer is good at keeping them on a schedule and held to a task.

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But what if the grandparents aren't paying for college? What if the parents income means that instead of making a college savings plan, any savings go for expensive club soccer on a good traveling team? I know the girls love soccer... But I feel bad for the parents who won't be able to help or help much with college because they spent all the money on club sports to keep their daughter happy and to keep up with all the Joneses who have plenty to spare. Girls soccer is pay to play and many more play than can truly afford it.

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Too funny.

Anyone that reads T/S very often knew this. There was a 180 degree shift from we need consolidation, ECNL would be a great option. After the ECNL announcements, the talk changed. All you see is that it's too expensive to travel, you can get exposure anywhere, You're going to lose every match, etc.

It's been comical to come on here and read the back and forth.

I think the main point was we needed consideration, and instead of getting that we got more dilution.

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But what if the grandparents aren't paying for college? What if the parents income means that instead of making a college savings plan, any savings go for expensive club soccer on a good traveling team? I know the girls love soccer... But I feel bad for the parents who won't be able to help or help much with college because they spent all the money on club sports to keep their daughter happy and to keep up with all the Joneses who have plenty to spare. Girls soccer is pay to play and many more play than can truly afford it.

College loans and grants are available.

If the $50K that I spend on soccer makes my daughter a stronger person and keeps her out of trouble then it is money well spent.

This site likes to make fun of community colleges. The reality is the classrooms are smaller and the education is good. There is always the option to transfer to a 4 year school if you do well at a community college. I know plenty of people who started at a 2 year college and finished up at UofO, OSU, or PSU.

Girls learning how to work as a team and compete is priceless in the workforce.

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College loans and grants are available.

If the $50K that I spend on soccer makes my daughter a stronger person and keeps her out of trouble then it is money well spent.

This site likes to make fun of community colleges. The reality is the classrooms are smaller and the education is good. There is always the option to transfer to a 4 year school if you do well at a community college. I know plenty of people who started at a 2 year college and finished up at UofO, OSU, or PSU.

Girls learning how to work as a team and compete is priceless in the workforce.

Have you seen the soccer at community college? You think HS soccer is dreadful.

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Have you seen the soccer at community college? You think HS soccer is dreadful.

Have you seen OYSA HS girls soccer?

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Have you seen the soccer at community college? You think HS soccer is dreadful.

You missed the point entirely.

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You missed the point entirely.

No, you missed the point. I completely understand that one can get a decent education at CC. I know first hand as I took a few classes after undergrad to get some accounting before I went to B school. The point that you missed is that by doing the CC route, if you want to play soccer, which is what is discussed here, you are giving up a lot, unless you just suck at soccer. Got it now Einstein?

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Still way better than anything the TA has to offer. Look at U14. FCP #1 in NW. Best TA team #13 and dropping. The talent has decided where it wants to be. Why don't you TA lemmings just accept it for what it is and simply enjoy watching your DDs playing lower level Bootball?

But isn't Crossfire Oregon #14?

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Too funny.

Anyone that reads T/S very often knew this. There was a 180 degree shift from we need consolidation, ECNL would be a great option. After the ECNL announcements, the talk changed. All you see is that it's too expensive to travel, you can get exposure anywhere, You're going to lose every match, etc.

It's been comical to come on here and read the back and forth.

Kind of the same as how While the Timbers were affiliated to OPL Everything was Timbers this, Timbers that…You had the NPL presented by the Timbers and the Timbers state cup…and then they split and suddenly the Timbers are Satan Spawn…

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Kind of the same as how the founding members were once all listed in the OPL bylaws and now it has been changed to…Wait I need to go check see what it is today…If you want to see back and forth all you need to do is follow OPL's revisions to their history

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Yeah, you should be proud of yourself for reading fluff journalism. But for you, it's about the same as everyone else reading Moby Dick. And why you feel the need to post it is beyond me. Yeah, wow, lots of ECNL girls go to top colleges. We know that. It's been beaten to death. Too bad ECNL won't take crummy players like your dd and turn her into a top player. I know you think that, but it won't happen. You are wasting $10,000 this year just to see her get humiliated. You need to ask yourself why you are doing this to her.

How do you know it will cost $10,000 and why do you even care??

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No, you missed the point. I completely understand that one can get a decent education at CC. I know first hand as I took a few classes after undergrad to get some accounting before I went to B school. The point that you missed is that by doing the CC route, if you want to play soccer, which is what is discussed here, you are giving up a lot, unless you just suck at soccer. Got it now Einstein?

Depends on what CC you are talking about.

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Better Question

How do you know it will cost $10,000 and why do you even care??

The better question is how does he know your DD's or anyone's DD's soccer ability? The answer is he hasn't a clue.

All he can do is make stuff up like how all the ECNL parents think or said this or that about what the ECNL is or will do for their DD's soccer career. Doesn't matter that the posters whose kids ARE doing ECNL have repeatedly said all it is is an opportunity and openly acknowledge it's expensive.

All he ever has are insults either for the adult or the player. He never address any of the counter points to his wild and unsubstantiated claims and rolls right into the next falsehood or out right lie.

I bet he has posted over 1,000 times since the subject of the ECNL first hit TS Oregon and what does he have to show for all that time and effort? Two clubs with 5 teams and 200 girls risking more than he probably ever has in his life which is why he is so desperate to make sure they fail because it they succeed he would then have to face the failure of his opinion and flawed character.