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Can you imagine if people put this much attention to their kids school rather than this. Paying 8k a year to play in a soccer league that the few rediculous crazies are promoting on here. Not saying its bad but it's clearly not good considering the people on here campaigning for it.

Most kids including the carpool dads kid isn't going to get more that. 2-3k a year to play college soccer yet they will spend 40k.

As long as there are better kids making it into college soccer who don't waste time and money on ecnl, the program is debatable and only propped up by the few here. Ecnl may be a popular avenue for above and average players right now but it's not the only option and not the most logical or cheapest. Good luck.

AHHHH????? WHAT? You may want to consider your own education.

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Totally agree. I think there was likely a thing or two that anyone would disagree with, but I applaud Cony's transparency.

I think it is ridiculous how many parents will come on here and view their DOC as some flawless individual, and any DOC who does something they disagree with is behaving selfishly. Folks wake up. Do you do what you need to to keep your job? If you believe that there is a clear right and wrong in a situation, don't you choose what is right?

So some may disagree with Cony's priorities, but the transparency and candor is great. Compare this to Tom over at THUSC who has just driven that club through another year of ECNL "rumors" and guess what no ECNL...we could all use a little more honesty.

Unfortunately, this is not transparency and candor. This was instilling fear in club members so their is no mass exodus. This is someone with an agenda, and sadly that agenda is not ever what's in the best interest of the players. Sometimes maybe the boys, but not the girls.

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Unfortunately, this is not transparency and candor. This was instilling fear in club members so their is no mass exodus. This is someone with an agenda, and sadly that agenda is not ever what's in the best interest of the players. Sometimes maybe the boys, but not the girls.

I believe that most parents, regardless of what anyone says, are able to examine their own bank account and makes decisions based largely on what they can afford, child's ability and desire. I doubt if Cony has that much influence. To me he was simply providing a different point of view. You can agree or disagree but ultimately it is your decision to make.

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I've see. The model that has been drawn up for the girls academy.
It will cost the same as the boys academy which is $500 for the year.
They will play a year up in league and go to 5 different showcases each year.
This is the model in place if they do not get ECNL. I was told that if they get ECNL they will have to raise fees to $2500. This will cover everything.
Unfortunately money runs this world of soccer, whoever has the deepest pockets wins.
I can't see a second club charging $6k per year competing with a $2500 fee

We have seen a lot of nonsense on this board. What is the source of this information? There is nothing about it on the Timbers webpage. U14 tryouts would need to happen within a month. The clock is ticking.

A U14 team cannot play a year up in league because the U15s are playing HS vs HS in the fall.

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Unfortunately, this is not transparency and candor. This was instilling fear in club members so their is no mass exodus. This is someone with an agenda, and sadly that agenda is not ever what's in the best interest of the players. Sometimes maybe the boys, but not the girls.

It was candor about his perspective on ECNL. He explained that while they have good teams, he can't see it being worth the cost. He also said if the cost was lower he would encourage players to try it out.

I personally find it refreshing to have a DOC acknowledge that as parents we aren't just walking ATMs.

$6-8000 a year is ridiculous. Save that money and it would make a more significant dent in your college tuition then any athletic scholarship you are likely to get.

His view on the FC academy was the same…To refresh memories the price to play there was nearly $10,000.

He was upfront in expressing his bias, so how about the other Doc's? Some Candor from Morrison or Arrington would be interesting.

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Unfortunately, this is not transparency and candor. This was instilling fear in club members so their is no mass exodus. This is someone with an agenda, and sadly that agenda is not ever what's in the best interest of the players. Sometimes maybe the boys, but not the girls.

Mass exodus to what? No Oregon club is associated with ECNL yet. If/when that happens, a parent can lay out the options. I don't know Cony from Adam, and disagree with many of his comments, but he was open about his rationale. Personally, I believe that whatever club gets ECNL will have the top girls teams. Period. My daughter has played ECNL for a number of years, and I believe it has substantial merit, but that doesn't mean the end for the other girls programs in PDX. I'm really surprised with all the doom and gloom portayals. Some top players will elect to go the ECNL route and pay the bucks, but not all will go. Those who don't still will have plenty of opportunities. Let a club or two do ECNL and the rest of clubs can combine under one umbrella (likely OYSA) and it will work out just fine.

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Can you imagine if people put this much attention to their kids school rather than this. Paying 8k a year to play in a soccer league that the few rediculous crazies are promoting on here. Not saying its bad but it's clearly not good considering the people on here campaigning for it.

Most kids including the carpool dads kid isn't going to get more that. 2-3k a year to play college soccer yet they will spend 40k.

As long as there are better kids making it into college soccer who don't waste time and money on ecnl, the program is debatable and only propped up by the few here. Ecnl may be a popular avenue for above and average players right now but it's not the only option and not the most logical or cheapest. Good luck.

I came across this thread by accident. My kid plays at a club in Region 2 and plays ECNL. She in a junior in HS. I have an older daughter that is just finishing up her college years. She played at the same club. When my older daughter was finishing up her club ball, they were not yet in the ECNL. I have looked at it from both perspectives: Playing in a regional league (MRL) and in National showcase tournaments. I can tell you that the costs for both are expensive but they are not as disparate as everybody says that they are. When they played MRL, my wife or I carted my daughter to games. We had the same hotel expenses, food, gas, etc. Now that they play in the ECNL, the club has chosen to have the team take bus trips. All players are required to go on the bus and stay in the hotel together. I can truthfully say that this is a less expensive option than if I was doing all of the transportation myself, had to pay for my own room, gas, etc. Her one fee now covers all transportation, food, and lodging. As a bonus, I get to stay home on the weekend and do work around the house. The National Showcase events that my older daughter participated in (Las Vegas, Disney, CASL, etc) were just as expensive as the National ECNL events that my younger daughter now participates in (to be fair, the expenses for the older daughter at those events was less due to increased costs of travel, etc. Adjusted for inflation, etc, they would probably be very similar.) The other added expense that we had with my older daughter was that of ODP. My daughter that currently participates has never done ODP and she has already committed to a DI program. When all is said and done, I think we are playing less now.

Having said all of this, I think it is all too expensive. The main reason that I am writing this is because many here are asserting that the ECNL is a lot more expensive than playing a season in a USYSA regional league with some participation in National showcase events. That just is not the case. I can't speak to soe of the travel issues that you have in the west because unless you're in SoCal, there may be a mush greater distance between cities for league games and that would necessitate plane travel. We've never had to do that. I am not here to promote the ECNL over USYSA regional leagues or the National League. Both are fine and will provide a competitive environment for your kid. Just find the situation your kid is comfortable with and go with it.

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I came across this thread by accident. My kid plays at a club in Region 2 and plays ECNL. She in a junior in HS. I have an older daughter that is just finishing up her college years. She played at the same club. When my older daughter was finishing up her club ball, they were not yet in the ECNL. I have looked at it from both perspectives: Playing in a regional league (MRL) and in National showcase tournaments. I can tell you that the costs for both are expensive but they are not as disparate as everybody says that they are. When they played MRL, my wife or I carted my daughter to games. We had the same hotel expenses, food, gas, etc. Now that they play in the ECNL, the club has chosen to have the team take bus trips. All players are required to go on the bus and stay in the hotel together. I can truthfully say that this is a less expensive option than if I was doing all of the transportation myself, had to pay for my own room, gas, etc. Her one fee now covers all transportation, food, and lodging. As a bonus, I get to stay home on the weekend and do work around the house. The National Showcase events that my older daughter participated in (Las Vegas, Disney, CASL, etc) were just as expensive as the National ECNL events that my younger daughter now participates in (to be fair, the expenses for the older daughter at those events was less due to increased costs of travel, etc. Adjusted for inflation, etc, they would probably be very similar.) The other added expense that we had with my older daughter was that of ODP. My daughter that currently participates has never done ODP and she has already committed to a DI program. When all is said and done, I think we are playing less now.

Having said all of this, I think it is all too expensive. The main reason that I am writing this is because many here are asserting that the ECNL is a lot more expensive than playing a season in a USYSA regional league with some participation in National showcase events. That just is not the case. I can't speak to soe of the travel issues that you have in the west because unless you're in SoCal, there may be a mush greater distance between cities for league games and that would necessitate plane travel. We've never had to do that. I am not here to promote the ECNL over USYSA regional leagues or the National League. Both are fine and will provide a competitive environment for your kid. Just find the situation your kid is comfortable with and go with it.

Great insight into ECNL. We don't have this program in Oregon but appreciate your experience in case we relocate to a state that has this program.

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It was candor about his perspective on ECNL. He explained that while they have good teams, he can't see it being worth the cost. He also said if the cost was lower he would encourage players to try it out.

I personally find it refreshing to have a DOC acknowledge that as parents we aren't just walking ATMs.

$6-8000 a year is ridiculous. Save that money and it would make a more significant dent in your college tuition then any athletic scholarship you are likely to get.

His view on the FC academy was the same…To refresh memories the price to play there was nearly $10,000.

He was upfront in expressing his bias, so how about the other Doc's? Some Candor from Morrison or Arrington would be interesting.

I disagree. I don't think it was that "upfront". He slanted it to his personal agenda and if you think that's transparent, then more power to you. However, there are plenty of us who disagree. He overstated the ECNL cost (by the way, I have no interest in my daughter doing ECNL). If he felt so much for our pocketbooks, my last year playing for Westside wouldn't have cost is about 4-5k with tournaments and travel etc. It is quite obvious the players that the DOC at Westside cares about and that's a very small pool, but they are just as happy to take my money as the ECNL would be. Hypocritical.

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Oregon ecnl would require much more airplane travel for league games and thus the expense would go way up. However, if you have the thousands to burn, then I think it would be a great opportunity. I could probably manage the high expense for my kid but it would be a stretch and I think, if ecnl comes to OR, we may personally forego the opportunity in order to be able to save more for college. My daughter will be sad though because some of her wealthier friends would do ecnl for sure.

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I've see. The model that has been drawn up for the girls academy.
It will cost the same as the boys academy which is $500 for the year.
They will play a year up in league and go to 5 different showcases each year.
This is the model in place if they do not get ECNL. I was told that if they get ECNL they will have to raise fees to $2500. This will cover everything.
Unfortunately money runs this world of soccer, whoever has the deepest pockets wins.
I can't see a second club charging $6k per year competing with a $2500 fee

I'm surprised not more discussion on this post. This sounds more than promising.

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I disagree. I don't think it was that "upfront". He slanted it to his personal agenda and if you think that's transparent, then more power to you. However, there are plenty of us who disagree. He overstated the ECNL cost (by the way, I have no interest in my daughter doing ECNL). If he felt so much for our pocketbooks, my last year playing for Westside wouldn't have cost is about 4-5k with tournaments and travel etc. It is quite obvious the players that the DOC at Westside cares about and that's a very small pool, but they are just as happy to take my money as the ECNL would be. Hypocritical.

Without significant sponsorship, the cost could be around 8-10 k.

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Great insight into ECNL. We don't have this program in Oregon but appreciate your experience in case we relocate to a state that has this program.

As I said in my post, I wrote it from my perspective. Unfortunately, I think that those of you in the Pacific NW face some challenges in regard to travel. If you look at a map of where the clubs are, it isn't too hard to see that those clubs that are in areas with a lot of population or in areas with a lot of high quality clubs with a lot of talent, will face less challenges than those in sparsely populated areas. Here is a map of where the clubs are located:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...Club%20Map.pdf

The SoCal, NoCal, Texas, and the East Coast clubs can all play the league games without a lot of travel. The clubs in Colorado have to do quite a bit of travel for the away league games. Also, when you look at the map, it isn't difficult to see where the under representation is. It's in the Pacific NW and Florida. You will get a club or two in the next few years.

One phenomena I have witnessed is kids that will travel up to 2 hours away or more just to play at a club in the ECNL. if that is what a kid wants to do, fine. I personally think it is really overboard. Evaluate what is important before making such a big commitment of time and money. If we were in a similar situation, there is no way I would allow my kid to do it. It just isn't worth it, IMHO.

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I came across this thread by accident. My kid plays at a club in Region 2 and plays ECNL. She in a junior in HS. I have an older daughter that is just finishing up her college years. She played at the same club. When my older daughter was finishing up her club ball, they were not yet in the ECNL. I have looked at it from both perspectives: Playing in a regional league (MRL) and in National showcase tournaments. I can tell you that the costs for both are expensive but they are not as disparate as everybody says that they are. When they played MRL, my wife or I carted my daughter to games. We had the same hotel expenses, food, gas, etc. Now that they play in the ECNL, the club has chosen to have the team take bus trips. All players are required to go on the bus and stay in the hotel together. I can truthfully say that this is a less expensive option than if I was doing all of the transportation myself, had to pay for my own room, gas, etc. Her one fee now covers all transportation, food, and lodging. As a bonus, I get to stay home on the weekend and do work around the house. The National Showcase events that my older daughter participated in (Las Vegas, Disney, CASL, etc) were just as expensive as the National ECNL events that my younger daughter now participates in (to be fair, the expenses for the older daughter at those events was less due to increased costs of travel, etc. Adjusted for inflation, etc, they would probably be very similar.) The other added expense that we had with my older daughter was that of ODP. My daughter that currently participates has never done ODP and she has already committed to a DI program. When all is said and done, I think we are playing less now.

Having said all of this, I think it is all too expensive. The main reason that I am writing this is because many here are asserting that the ECNL is a lot more expensive than playing a season in a USYSA regional league with some participation in National showcase events. That just is not the case. I can't speak to soe of the travel issues that you have in the west because unless you're in SoCal, there may be a mush greater distance between cities for league games and that would necessitate plane travel. We've never had to do that. I am not here to promote the ECNL over USYSA regional leagues or the National League. Both are fine and will provide a competitive environment for your kid. Just find the situation your kid is comfortable with and go with it.

Ran into this thread by accident???? Right... Lying right away discredits the lies that followed.

Adjusting for inflation makes the costs the same? How about your weekly medication supply? Did ecnl cover that cost too?

Get...a...life. No one wants to carpool with you and its hilarious you wrote out a novel of bs because for some reason you feel the need to make sure your kids new ecnl team here had more than the 3 other wackos who agree with you.

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As I said in my post, I wrote it from my perspective. Unfortunately, I think that those of you in the Pacific NW face some challenges in regard to travel. If you look at a map of where the clubs are, it isn't too hard to see that those clubs that are in areas with a lot of population or in areas with a lot of high quality clubs with a lot of talent, will face less challenges than those in sparsely populated areas. Here is a map of where the clubs are located:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...Club%20Map.pdf

The SoCal, NoCal, Texas, and the East Coast clubs can all play the league games without a lot of travel. The clubs in Colorado have to do quite a bit of travel for the away league games. Also, when you look at the map, it isn't difficult to see where the under representation is. It's in the Pacific NW and Florida. You will get a club or two in the next few years.

One phenomena I have witnessed is kids that will travel up to 2 hours away or more just to play at a club in the ECNL. if that is what a kid wants to do, fine. I personally think it is really overboard. Evaluate what is important before making such a big commitment of time and money. If we were in a similar situation, there is no way I would allow my kid to do it. It just isn't worth it, IMHO.

We travel 3-6 hours for regular league games in Bend, Medford and Grants Pass. I would welcome a 2 hour travel limit. Sounds like ECNL in Oregon (which does not exist) would regularly take us to Seattle and California. This topic is a bit absurd as we do not have ECNL in Oregon and no club has told us that they have been accepted into ECNL for the future.