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Yo are probably correct, but I believe THUSC is more vulnerable than many clubs because they have built their club on the backs of Sodium, and Onyx, and all the other elemental teams. Their message has always been come play where the best teams play, and someday you may be among them. That is why whenever anyone mentions Onyx the THUSC army descends so quickly, because the veil cannot be pierced.

If another club or clubs gets ECNL, all of a sudden THUSC cannot claim to "be the best" They will just be another feeder program.

You are probably right that they wouldn't completely cease to exist, but it would be a significantly different club.

your just a hater with dreams of THUSC folding, they are quality because of how they develop players. The void from "the few" players from THUSC that would move to ECNL would be replaced on quick notice. You see, THUSC does not play boot ball. They don't care about wins or losses at younger ages. They develop the younger ages to play soccer the proper way, that is why they are a strong club "at least on the girls side". That philosophy is not going to change because they lose some of their top players to an ECNL team. They will simply replace those players with properly trained others.

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your just a hater with dreams of THUSC folding, they are quality because of how they develop players. The void from "the few" players from THUSC that would move to ECNL would be replaced on quick notice. You see, THUSC does not play boot ball. They don't care about wins or losses at younger ages. They develop the younger ages to play soccer the proper way, that is why they are a strong club "at least on the girls side". That philosophy is not going to change because they lose some of their top players to an ECNL team. They will simply replace those players with properly trained others.

OYSA is the place for boot ball. That's why they talk about their teams at U12 so much. They win at those ages by booting the ball and lose at the older ages because they are not developed properly. Not all, but most.

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Yo are probably correct, but I believe THUSC is more vulnerable than many clubs because they have built their club on the backs of Sodium, and Onyx, and all the other elemental teams. Their message has always been come play where the best teams play, and someday you may be among them. That is why whenever anyone mentions Onyx the THUSC army descends so quickly, because the veil cannot be pierced.

If another club or clubs gets ECNL, all of a sudden THUSC cannot claim to "be the best" They will just be another feeder program.

You are probably right that they wouldn't completely cease to exist, but it would be a significantly different club.

Whether you want to admit it or not, your club is more than likely already a feeder club for THUSC.

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your just a hater with dreams of THUSC folding, they are quality because of how they develop players. The void from "the few" players from THUSC that would move to ECNL would be replaced on quick notice. You see, THUSC does not play boot ball. They don't care about wins or losses at younger ages. They develop the younger ages to play soccer the proper way, that is why they are a strong club "at least on the girls side". That philosophy is not going to change because they lose some of their top players to an ECNL team. They will simply replace those players with properly trained others.

THUSC does have a 25 year history of growth and adapting to numerous changes.
They aren't perfect, but love it or hate it, I don't think their demise is in question.
The club's record of placing college athletes should speak for itself.

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OYSA is the place for boot ball. That's why they talk about their teams at U12 so much. They win at those ages by booting the ball and lose at the older ages because they are not developed properly. Not all, but most.

That's such a broad and incomplete statement. There is so much more at play at the earlier ages of development.
Generally it's the team with "Athletes" that is successful, as measured by wins and losses, at the early ages - as all players are working on their skills. Eventually the more successful teams are the one's that merge athleticism & skills. It's very rare to have that as a complete team at U12.

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THUSC does have a 25 year history of growth and adapting to numerous changes.
They aren't perfect, but love it or hate it, I don't think their demise is in question.
The club's record of placing college athletes should speak for itself.

Just look at Sodium, the entire team is college bound. Sure some may be just making it up, but I think most are not. Most of them are going to D1 also.

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Yo are probably correct, but I believe THUSC is more vulnerable than many clubs because they have built their club on the backs of Sodium, and Onyx, and all the other elemental teams. Their message has always been come play where the best teams play, and someday you may be among them. That is why whenever anyone mentions Onyx the THUSC army descends so quickly, because the veil cannot be pierced.

If another club or clubs gets ECNL, all of a sudden THUSC cannot claim to "be the best" They will just be another feeder program.

You are probably right that they wouldn't completely cease to exist, but it would be a significantly different club.

WST still claims to be the best on the boys side, yet the DA has the best players. Any club not in the ECNL would be the same. It's no different.

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From our experience, the top teams in the earlier ages attract the top players from around the area. Usually they are winning, playing well overall, have a positive coach, team and parents. When tryouts come around those top teams will pick up a few new players, there will be some movement around other teams as well. We have also seen top teams fall apart once high school hits (even thusc girls) so I would say it is part development, part coaching and part luck.

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From our experience, the top teams in the earlier ages attract the top players from around the area. Usually they are winning, playing well overall, have a positive coach, team and parents. When tryouts come around those top teams will pick up a few new players, there will be some movement around other teams as well. We have also seen top teams fall apart once high school hits (even thusc girls) so I would say it is part development, part coaching and part luck.

Size and growth disparity at early ages plays a huge role. It depends on when kids hit puberty and develop physically. Everything starts to even out around u14 and it starts to boil down to how kids were trained and developed.

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That's such a broad and incomplete statement. There is so much more at play at the earlier ages of development.
Generally it's the team with "Athletes" that is successful, as measured by wins and losses, at the early ages - as all players are working on their skills. Eventually the more successful teams are the one's that merge athleticism & skills. It's very rare to have that as a complete team at U12.

I don't know about that. Even if your an athlete and can "outrun" the other teams players, THUSC frowns on that. They are strict about moving the ball up through the mid field. Yes sure they have "athletes" at the younger ages but booting the ball up field to them and letting them "out run" the other team just to notch a win is not the way they are coached. They simply do not care about wins or losses at those ages and you as a parent are well aware of that point. Sure wins are good when you get them, but staying with the correct development at younger ages is the way to go.

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I don't know about that. Even if your an athlete and can "outrun" the other teams players, THUSC frowns on that. They are strict about moving the ball up through the mid field. Yes sure they have "athletes" at the younger ages but booting the ball up field to them and letting them "out run" the other team just to notch a win is not the way they are coached. They simply do not care about wins or losses at those ages and you as a parent are well aware of that point. Sure wins are good when you get them, but staying with the correct development at younger ages is the way to go.

Let me first apologize as this current direction of conversation is a bit off topic from the ECNL thread.
Plain and simple truth the development focus for young players in most other soccer savvy countries is completely on the player and individual skills development NOT on teaching "game and team" tactics, style, strategy or formation. It seems we are so focused on "team" here in the States that individual development takes a back seat. In some countries they don't even play organized games until the players are teens.
If you subscribe to the above theory, as millions outside of the USA do, then neither "style" that you've described is appropriate @ U12.

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your just a hater with dreams of THUSC folding, they are quality because of how they develop players. The void from "the few" players from THUSC that would move to ECNL would be replaced on quick notice. You see, THUSC does not play boot ball. They don't care about wins or losses at younger ages. They develop the younger ages to play soccer the proper way, that is why they are a strong club "at least on the girls side". That philosophy is not going to change because they lose some of their top players to an ECNL team. They will simply replace those players with properly trained others.

Really you ought to put your defensiveness away enough that you can read…Be angry at others, but my comment was not a "hater" comment. If you attract players baed on their ambition to become part of your top teams (this is not exclusively a THUSC thing btw) then it is potentially a risk to no longer have "the top team". Players interested in playing at a high level will be attracted to the club where these top players play.

To make it real simple, THUSC folk have been going on and on about how once they have ECNL it will draw all the quality to them. If we accept that, then if some other club gets ECNL this same draw should happen.

Listen carefully to my tone…this is not hate, it is reason…something you don't seem to recognize.

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Let me first apologize as this current direction of conversation is a bit off topic from the ECNL thread.
Plain and simple truth the development focus for young players in most other soccer savvy countries is completely on the player and individual skills development NOT on teaching "game and team" tactics, style, strategy or formation. It seems we are so focused on "team" here in the States that individual development takes a back seat. In some countries they don't even play organized games until the players are teens.
If you subscribe to the above theory, as millions outside of the USA do, then neither "style" that you've described is appropriate @ U12.

You missed the point. THUSC encourages kids to dribble and take players on. They want kids to be confident on the ball. They want kids to pass to each other. Not kick it down the field to their big fast forward (does it still happen.... of course!). THUSC does not want their defenders kicking the ball out. They turn and try to play out of the defense. All these things end up with more turnovers and goals against. BUT, kids are learning to play. They are confident on the ball. They pass. They ultimately bunch up longer than other teams because their coaches less focused on the tactical part of the game (spreading players out, switching the ball, angles, and so on).

It is often funny to watch THUSC teams when they are little. They are usually a lot smaller than the teams they are playing. This is because those kids who grew early are playing for the likes of ET, WT, and clubs who focus on physical athletic play. Little kids grow too and when they do, they are usually more skilled and confident players.

This is a founding principle of THUSC's success. You can love or hate Tom, but he has been instrumental in this.

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Really you ought to put your defensiveness away enough that you can read…Be angry at others, but my comment was not a "hater" comment. If you attract players baed on their ambition to become part of your top teams (this is not exclusively a THUSC thing btw) then it is potentially a risk to no longer have "the top team". Players interested in playing at a high level will be attracted to the club where these top players play.

To make it real simple, THUSC folk have been going on and on about how once they have ECNL it will draw all the quality to them. If we accept that, then if some other club gets ECNL this same draw should happen.

Listen carefully to my tone…this is not hate, it is reason…something you don't seem to recognize.

Quality will always be drawn to THUSC regardless of ECNL. Quality from every club will be drawn to ECNL regardless of who gets it. The club or clubs that land the ECNL bid will see their club status rise also.

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You missed the point. THUSC encourages kids to dribble and take players on. They want kids to be confident on the ball. They want kids to pass to each other. Not kick it down the field to their big fast forward (does it still happen.... of course!). THUSC does not want their defenders kicking the ball out. They turn and try to play out of the defense. All these things end up with more turnovers and goals against. BUT, kids are learning to play. They are confident on the ball. They pass. They ultimately bunch up longer than other teams because their coaches less focused on the tactical part of the game (spreading players out, switching the ball, angles, and so on).

It is often funny to watch THUSC teams when they are little. They are usually a lot smaller than the teams they are playing. This is because those kids who grew early are playing for the likes of ET, WT, and clubs who focus on physical athletic play. Little kids grow too and when they do, they are usually more skilled and confident players.

This is a founding principle of THUSC's success. You can love or hate Tom, but he has been instrumental in this.

We have a very fast forward on our THUSC team and regardless she and the team is not allowed to "boot the ball" to her. Yeah it happens sometimes but the kids know that they are to get her the ball from bringing the ball up properly. We could have won many more games in the past by just kicking it up and letting her beat the other team but that is not allowed.