Originally posted by Unregistered
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Those were great players and they did come from WSMetros. But, it's purely coincidence. WSM simply had some sweet talent at that time, and ok, maybe they had good coaches to help develop. But It's not like becoming part of the alliance suddenly made the club worse. It's a good thing to have a central place (TA) where the top talent from all over the Timbers territory can play together. It makes sense. You talk about 'body of work'. The TA just started! It has no body of work. But it will in a few years. I can almost guarantee that when you have top players channeling in from all over the state and SW Wa, its body of work will become the standard to compare to. -
[QUOTE=Unregistered;1044801]Stretching it a bit there.....
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Dyachenko ... played club soccer with West Villa Thunder, FC Portland and Westside Metros. WSM didn't develop him.
Chad Barrett spent most of his time growing up and playing in California. WSM didn't develop him.
Danny Mwanga moved to the US in 2006 and played for WST for less than 2 years. WSM didn't develop him.
Erik Hurtado played for WSM for 2 years. WSM didn't develop him.
As you can see, WSM, now WST, doesn't develop these players. They are great recruiters
Not very accurate. Some partially true statements, and some wildly inaccurate entries. For example, Hurtado play for WSM from U-11 all the way through...but don't let the truth get in the way!Comment
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True for Mwanga. But Hurtado played at WSM the entire time, one of the few who do these days. Rubio was developed by WSM, but moved on to bigger and better things after U15.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Check that, i think Mwanga started U16 and played through U18 on the Internationals.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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the deal
If you want someone to take care of your kid, help you get them to college, club soccer is the answer and requires a fee
If you want someone to take care of the organization they work for and treat your kid as a product Timbers DA is the answer. The Timbers are paying the bill. Their only return on investment is if your kid turns pro and it is very little return since that players salary does not count against the cap.
My thoughts. The Smiths are terrible coaches and will not develope an oregon player in to the pro's ever.
Club soccer is the way. Trust me, been there, seen it, and moving on.Comment
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Is this when the "just because your kid can't make it" post shows up again?
I agree with you. The poster that said the TA doesn't care if you go to college got it right. The TA is doing exactly what it is supposed to do - attempting to develop players for the organization. If you think that your kid is definitely going to be a pro then by all means, play for the Academy. If you want your kid to go to college play club, travel, take advantage of the college prep classes, and / or be prepared to market yourself. I can't recall the source, but I've read that first contact for 95% of soccer recruits comes from the player. This includes Academy players. If you're not a pro, be prepared to put in the work.Comment
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Academy programs throughout the U.S. is the #1 place to find talent. Academies are where the college coaches are looking, and academies are where the pros are looking. This is just fact. Granted, we all understand that making it to the pros is very, very unlikely. It's unlikely for a club player and it's unlikely for an Academy player.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
There is no doubt that club soccer is an important part of a kid's development and it lays the groundwork for future opportunities. You can certainly get 'noticed' if you only play club ball if you play for a reputable club with a reputable team. But for me, those things are taking shape from U11-U15. If a kid makes a name for himself in club ball, also plays ODP and starts to make a name for himself, and then makes the DA as key player, this is the best shot these kids have at getting scholarships (or more). Now if my kid made the DA and wasn't a starter, I would think twice about sticking with DA. I would want my kid to at least average decent minutes. But if they were not getting minutes, at that point, I think Club and high school opportunites might make more sense.
I may change my mind going forward. It's too early to say the DA is a success or a failure. But really, Academies are where you are going to get the most exposure. My bet is the Timbers DA will be no different. But club is an important component of the entire picture.Comment
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Dyachenko played at WSM.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Actually Barrett played in Arizona and North Carolina as a youth and landed in Oregon a a HS Freshman.
Rubin & Hurtado played with Westside Warriors ages 5 to 10 and WSM ages 11 through HS.
Mwanga played from 2006 to 2009 with WSM. His only club in america.
I don't know what your point was.Comment
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The above message is spot on. If your kid is good enough to consistently play with the Timbers Academy they should take advantage of it. If they are regularly sitting the bench, than it takes a different mentality to develop as a player and to enjoy the experience. Both pathways work, but you have to recognize what you are getting into.
My original response was to the parent who was bashing the academy because they weren't developing their son for a college scholarship. Of course, over the years, the academy will certainly develop a large number of players who move on to play collegiate soccer. But, don't kid yourself. Their #1 priority is to identify and develop potential professional quality players.
The academy and local clubs are both good options, it just depends on the individual player and what they are really looking for.Comment
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Zfa3bb
It's true, but again more exposure doesn't mean anything if you are not a top few. We all learned from last year that playing HS soccer and making the 1st state team was better than just being a starter (but not top few) in DA when it comes to college recruiting. Oh, and don't forget even if you are a top few and traveling many weekends you will never meet the deadline for HW or be ready for Monday exams, so good luck.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Don't D.A. programs start at U16?
Using the axe to grind or grasping at straws logic logic offered by other posters.
It follows:Since the D.A. programs don't start working with a player at u16 sometimes u18 --they really don't develop any players either..
Bottom line only one club in the local area has produced/promoted the lion share of players to be pros when compared to the rest.
WSM had done it's job and proved it could do it...now it's up to the D.A. to try and match em.Comment
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Disagree
Sitting on the bench happened pre-D.A. and will continue at all levels. The reality is it's up to the player to change that situation. Not the D.A. or and club team.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
There is now doubt that the D.A. will produce more college players than all oregon club teams combined. WSM produced more college players than all other oregon club teams combined pre-D.A., they (WSM) had the coaching connections and talent to achieve this distinction.
Good options? Play against the best in the country in the D.A. or play vs the what's leftover in the state and regionally (club soccer).
What people seem to forget prior to D.A. WSM & FC were playing the best the country had to offer. Now these clubs can't play at this level, it's gone. That is not a good option. Itls sadly the only option.
Reality HS Soccer for boys in Oregon is not that bad an option vs. Club soccer.Comment
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The key point in your post is play. There were a lot of DA players who didn't play much at all. Some not at all. So they were not playing against the best in the country. They are not playing. For half the games they're not even watching because they don't get to go. About half the players on the U16s started fewer than 10 games and a third of the U18s started fewer than ten games. That's over a 10 month season.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
We'll see what happens with college players and the DA over time. What would be far better is a system where more players cycle through the academy. If they're good enough to play, they stick. If they aren't, they go back to the club. What happens is that there is a significant minority that make the team, but that might end up being the worst thing that happens to them because they end up not playing.
There's no question that WSM has had the most top players over the past 10 years. However, it didn't produce more college players than all the other Oregon clubs combined. Not even close. Eastside, FC, OSAA and previously Southside all produced lots of college players and that doesn't include the PCU, Bend, EMFCs etc all of which produce college players too.Comment
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Misunderstanding
WSM has produced more Division I Collegiate soccer players over the last 5 to 10 years than all the other clubs combined. That's what I meant.
You are correct WSM did not produce more college level players community college, NAIA, Division III and Division II players than all other clubs in oregon. Sorry.Comment
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Not sure that's right either. They didn't this year, last year, or the year before that I can think of. Gunners and Internationals had a ton. But Premier surprisingly few for how dominant they were. Not too many on Remix either. Were there any from this years U18s?Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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