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I am simply saying ECNL club players do tryout and are not represented on ODP rosters. The "best" assumption/argument was only used to make the case for who would even tryout. So used that to make a mathematical point as opposed to using it to make a quality and perfomance point. It could very well be argued that the best of the best of ECNL dont even do it because they already get what they need from their ECNL clubs. But that would change the dialogue now wouldn't it?

The discussion was PRE ecnl and talking about top players where ever, so more like the top 30 kids in Oregon at 02 and 03 80-90% of them do participate in RTC

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The discussion was PRE ecnl and talking about top players where ever, so more like the top 30 kids in Oregon at 02 and 03 80-90% of them do participate in RTC

Would completely agree with this. Once ECNL starts the time and money comittment is generally to much to do both.

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Seem to be more from WST and TT who don't have a coach on the list. Heck, TT was supposedly black-balled into silver for swapping so I don't see them getting benefits.

The TT player I recognize has a father who coaches for Westside Timbers. That's gotta come in handy!

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The discussion was PRE ecnl and talking about top players where ever, so more like the top 30 kids in Oregon at 02 and 03 80-90% of them do participate in RTC

My assumption and logic is exactly the same for pre ECNL.

It could be even worse at pre-ECNL ages. Looking at the ODP total counts of players on RTC rosters there is no way they are even pulling a small percentage of players no matter how good they are. I hear they don't cut for RTC. So take the 04/05s Westside which is the U11 and maybe some U12 04s. There are like 30 players on the RTC for westside pool. So Westside RTC would theoretically pull from BSC, SSC, THUSC, FC, WT and many more. Thats a huge pool of players. So you are saying 80-90 of the best players on thise clubs tried out and made the RTC? That would mean they would have had to take either 3-5 players from every team across 04/05 from every team or they took whole teams to make that roster. So lets look a little deeper.

U11 top 2 team in OYSA Premier - Pacific FC (Vancouver). Yikes. What are they drinking at Pacific FC. So no one from there would be on the westside pool.

U11 3rd place - NEU . So thats not westside. Humm.

U11 4th and 5th are THUSC and Lake O. Both are westside clubs. Humm. So that would have to mean that Westside is full of 4th and 5th place talent from CU teams. No way Jose. That basically would mean you have their whole team in ODP.

Oh but maybe some of the 04s came from top U12 teams. Lets dig deeper.

Top 4 teams from U12. THUSC, WT TS, SSC, BSC. Hum. They are all Westside. Lets say August to Dec 04s make up 50 percent of those top 4 teams. Note this is extremely optimistic given all the birth year chatter. So on 9v9 lets take a roster of 14. So thats 7,. 04s playing U12. So that means on a 30 player ODP pool with 80-90 % of best players from top teams taking spots. Hum. That means RTC has every single club's top 04s playing plus a few stragglers. No way Jose.

Basic statistics just cant be beat. ODP is not getting top talent and it certainly is not getting it from CU clubs no matter what age.

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My assumption and logic is exactly the same for pre ECNL.

It could be even worse at pre-ECNL ages. Looking at the ODP total counts of players on RTC rosters there is no way they are even pulling a small percentage of players no matter how good they are. I hear they don't cut for RTC. So take the 04/05s Westside which is the U11 and maybe some U12 04s. There are like 30 players on the RTC for westside pool. So Westside RTC would theoretically pull from BSC, SSC, THUSC, FC, WT and many more. Thats a huge pool of players. So you are saying 80-90 of the best players on thise clubs tried out and made the RTC? That would mean they would have had to take either 3-5 players from every team across 04/05 from every team or they took whole teams to make that roster. So lets look a little deeper.

U11 top 2 team in OYSA Premier - Pacific FC (Vancouver). Yikes. What are they drinking at Pacific FC. So no one from there would be on the westside pool.

U11 3rd place - NEU . So thats not westside. Humm.

U11 4th and 5th are THUSC and Lake O. Both are westside clubs. Humm. So that would have to mean that Westside is full of 4th and 5th place talent from CU teams. No way Jose. That basically would mean you have their whole team in ODP.

Oh but maybe some of the 04s came from top U12 teams. Lets dig deeper.

Top 4 teams from U12. THUSC, WT TS, SSC, BSC. Hum. They are all Westside. Lets say August to Dec 04s make up 50 percent of those top 4 teams. Note this is extremely optimistic given all the birth year chatter. So on 9v9 lets take a roster of 14. So thats 7,. 04s playing U12. So that means on a 30 player ODP pool with 80-90 % of best players from top teams taking spots. Hum. That means RTC has every single club's top 04s playing plus a few stragglers. No way Jose.

Basic statistics just cant be beat. ODP is not getting top talent and it certainly is not getting it from CU clubs no matter what age.

Thanks for the giant serving of "who gives a ....."

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The discussion was PRE ecnl and talking about top players where ever, so more like the top 30 kids in Oregon at 02 and 03 80-90% of them do participate in RTC

More like 10-20%. Tops. Take the blinders off.

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My assumption and logic is exactly the same for pre ECNL.

It could be even worse at pre-ECNL ages. Looking at the ODP total counts of players on RTC rosters there is no way they are even pulling a small percentage of players no matter how good they are. I hear they don't cut for RTC. So take the 04/05s Westside which is the U11 and maybe some U12 04s. There are like 30 players on the RTC for westside pool. So Westside RTC would theoretically pull from BSC, SSC, THUSC, FC, WT and many more. Thats a huge pool of players. So you are saying 80-90 of the best players on thise clubs tried out and made the RTC? That would mean they would have had to take either 3-5 players from every team across 04/05 from every team or they took whole teams to make that roster. So lets look a little deeper.

U11 top 2 team in OYSA Premier - Pacific FC (Vancouver). Yikes. What are they drinking at Pacific FC. So no one from there would be on the westside pool.

U11 3rd place - NEU . So thats not westside. Humm.

U11 4th and 5th are THUSC and Lake O. Both are westside clubs. Humm. So that would have to mean that Westside is full of 4th and 5th place talent from CU teams. No way Jose. That basically would mean you have their whole team in ODP.

Oh but maybe some of the 04s came from top U12 teams. Lets dig deeper.

Top 4 teams from U12. THUSC, WT TS, SSC, BSC. Hum. They are all Westside. Lets say August to Dec 04s make up 50 percent of those top 4 teams. Note this is extremely optimistic given all the birth year chatter. So on 9v9 lets take a roster of 14. So thats 7,. 04s playing U12. So that means on a 30 player ODP pool with 80-90 % of best players from top teams taking spots. Hum. That means RTC has every single club's top 04s playing plus a few stragglers. No way Jose.

Basic statistics just cant be beat. ODP is not getting top talent and it certainly is not getting it from CU clubs no matter what age.

I think maybe because your kid isn't there you protest to much.

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More like 10-20%. Tops. Take the blinders off.

I only know of two players that would be considered tops that are not participating. I think the discussion changes when you say top kids. That would be top 15 in the State. I only know of two at the Pre-ECNL ages not doing ODP. I wasn't imagining your kid sorry.

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I only know of two players that would be considered tops that are not participating. I think the discussion changes when you say top kids. That would be top 15 in the State. I only know of two at the Pre-ECNL ages not doing ODP. I wasn't imagining your kid sorry.

You clearly don't know who the top kids are. Probably because your DD's team has never played at that high a level. It's OK though. ODP isn't all that bad for "B" teamers and Timbers bootballers.

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You clearly don't know who the top kids are. Probably because your DD's team has never played at that high a level. It's OK though. ODP isn't all that bad for "B" teamers and Timbers bootballers.

And you are clearly a psychic. You know who my DD has played with/against. Quick I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10...times up. But you already knew I was going to ask that.

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I only know of two players that would be considered tops that are not participating. I think the discussion changes when you say top kids. That would be top 15 in the State. I only know of two at the Pre-ECNL ages not doing ODP. I wasn't imagining your kid sorry.

What teams are these "two" on? Why did they decide not to participate?

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I only know of two players that would be considered tops that are not participating. I think the discussion changes when you say top kids. That would be top 15 in the State. I only know of two at the Pre-ECNL ages not doing ODP. I wasn't imagining your kid sorry.

Are you sure. Go look at FC and Crossfire ECNL rosters at U14. Now look at ODP. Go ahead go do it. Now tell me all those 02s are in ODP. They are the top right? Now go look at all 02 teams in Gold an tell me the top 3 teams all have their players in ODP. Those arw the top players right? Albeit second tier. Someone here is not telling the truth. I am not the liar. That just leaves you.

And by the way if its not happening at that age where it means something its not happening when it means nothing.

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Are you sure. Go look at FC and Crossfire ECNL rosters at U14. Now look at ODP. Go ahead go do it. Now tell me all those 02s are in ODP. They are the top right? Now go look at all 02 teams in Gold an tell me the top 3 teams all have their players in ODP. Those arw the top players right? Albeit second tier. Someone here is not telling the truth. I am not the liar. That just leaves you.

And by the way if its not happening at that age where it means something its not happening when it means nothing.

The FC Portland U14's were fourth place in a watered down oysa. Not a bad team top 4-5.

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Are you sure. Go look at FC and Crossfire ECNL rosters at U14. Now look at ODP. Go ahead go do it. Now tell me all those 02s are in ODP. They are the top right? Now go look at all 02 teams in Gold an tell me the top 3 teams all have their players in ODP. Those arw the top players right? Albeit second tier. Someone here is not telling the truth. I am not the liar. That just leaves you.

And by the way if its not happening at that age where it means something its not happening when it means nothing.

Easy Francis. I had said before ECNL

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Folks are just jealous that the ECNL players don't need to do the watered down & political ODP since they will be seen plenty playing ECNL. But can't everyone just do whatever path they want and be happy? We don't need to compare apples and oranges. Different strokes for different folks. It doesn't change who the good players are either way. There are likely many more top players on the ECNL teams but there are also many top players spread out across Oregon that don't/can't do ECNL.