Girls 02 Rankings

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Agree.
If OR wants to compete at a top level then need to start consolidating the talent and get rid of the weak spots each of the OR teams has. The older the girls get the more exposed the weakness will be.

That consolidation exists. It's called ECNL. Move your kids now to FCP/THUSC/Crossfire. Many already have.

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That consolidation exists. It's called ECNL. Move your kids now to FCP/THUSC/Crossfire. Many already have.

I agree we need to consolidate but unfortunately you are incorrect...many HAVE NOT moved yet....a prime example is FCPDX Pre-ECNL '01's who got whooped up this past weekend by a TA team

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That consolidation exists. It's called ECNL. Move your kids now to FCP/THUSC/Crossfire. Many already have.

I agree consolidation exists at the ECNL level, but that is U14 and above.

Please shed some light on this for me...it's not making sense to me. Right now just looking at the results the OYSA teams are far better ranked ( CFC Timbers #6, BSC #9, Westside Timbers #10 ) than the OPL teams you mention (FCP #12 and THUSC #17).

Then you have WA Timbers at #16 between FCP and THUSC and then Eastside Timbers bringing up the rear at #22.

You did have some consolidation last year in this age group, I believe some to FCP and some to THUSC, but I do not see it helping the results. Their are 3 teams in OYSA ranked higher than those clubs.

If you look at the data I am not seeing the advantage of moving to the clubs you listed. If you are looking to play at the top level and be challenged.

Confused why the consolidation to those clubs when ECNL doesn't start until U14 what am I missing?

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I agree consolidation exists at the ECNL level, but that is U14 and above.

Please shed some light on this for me...it's not making sense to me. Right now just looking at the results the OYSA teams are far better ranked ( CFC Timbers #6, BSC #9, Westside Timbers #10 ) than the OPL teams you mention (FCP #12 and THUSC #17).

Then you have WA Timbers at #16 between FCP and THUSC and then Eastside Timbers bringing up the rear at #22.

You did have some consolidation last year in this age group, I believe some to FCP and some to THUSC, but I do not see it helping the results. Their are 3 teams in OYSA ranked higher than those clubs.

If you look at the data I am not seeing the advantage of moving to the clubs you listed. If you are looking to play at the top level and be challenged.

Confused why the consolidation to those clubs when ECNL doesn't start until U14 what am I missing?

Correct, ECNL doesn't even start until U14. But rankings at U13 and below are nothing to waste your time on. They all change pretty radically after U13. But have your fun while you can. lol.

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The top 5 Wa teams are pretty strong and level of play is near equal. NWN and Wa Rush have struggled all year long with Rush being relegated to RCL 2 and NWN nearly being relegated themselves. In 2 years I predict the rankings will look different because of ECNL. At u14, a mass consolidation will happen where top players will move to ECNL.

I believe the same thing will happen for OR 02 group. ECNL will strengthen and a shift of talent will happen. It will be ESP interesting if the girls switch to birth year.

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I agree we need to consolidate but unfortunately you are incorrect...many HAVE NOT moved yet....a prime example is FCPDX Pre-ECNL '01's who got whooped up this past weekend by a TA team

Not to take anything away from CFC they have a great team a few really great players, from what I have heard on here, but I would not put very much weight on spring season. FCP is known for using spring to get time for lesser players, at least from our experience playing them through the years and having friends with dd's over there. Although CFC may have been doing the same thing? My dd's team would look competitive against FCP in the spring and then play them in state cup or fall season (when it counts) and get mopped up. Just sayin'.

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Spring is fun soccer. Coaches use the time to move kids around and try out new formations and positions. Many players are gone for vacations, basketball, and other activities, so benches are often quite empty or full with tentative B team players.

Spring is for building strength and diversity in a team.

The coaches know that Spring scores aren't used for ranking teams or qualifying for NWCL or FWRL (right?). Only State Cup will tell us who can rise victoriously in the end.

Tooo bad that once again, we will have 2 teams with a State Cup.

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Not to take anything away from CFC they have a great team a few really great players, from what I have heard on here, but I would not put very much weight on spring season. FCP is known for using spring to get time for lesser players, at least from our experience playing them through the years and having friends with dd's over there. Although CFC may have been doing the same thing? My dd's team would look competitive against FCP in the spring and then play them in state cup or fall season (when it counts) and get mopped up. Just sayin'.

That may be the case at times but CFC's 01's have owned FC PDX 01's for years going back to u11 State Cup. Check the OPL results - I don't think FC PDX has ever beat CFC at this age.

If I were a FC PDX parent I would be more concerned about squeaking by with a 1-0 victory over Bend, and tying Eastside in this age bracket. I guess it's possible FC PDX is playing their bench players more...but they are not looking good against some mediocre OYSA teams.

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But this is the 2002 page - not 2001.

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That may be the case at times but CFC's 01's have owned FC PDX 01's for years going back to u11 State Cup. Check the OPL results - I don't think FC PDX has ever beat CFC at this age.

If I were a FC PDX parent I would be more concerned about squeaking by with a 1-0 victory over Bend, and tying Eastside in this age bracket. I guess it's possible FC PDX is playing their bench players more...but they are not looking good against some mediocre OYSA teams.

I would not be concerned about any of these results at this age at all, across the board, that includes rankings, league, tournaments.... all across the board would not be concerned at all. You parents are krazy. Come back and talk to us all in three years... tell us your thoughts on the difference between age 11 and age 14. It's light years different. The ballers your talking about right now, might not even be able to keep up with anyone.

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I would not be concerned about any of these results at this age at all, across the board, that includes rankings, league, tournaments.... all across the board would not be concerned at all. You parents are krazy. Come back and talk to us all in three years... tell us your thoughts on the difference between age 11 and age 14. It's light years different. The ballers your talking about right now, might not even be able to keep up with anyone.

You talk as if you have been there. I would love to know of your daughters team as they aged how many of the starters from u11/u12/u13 are still starters at u14/u15 and on up. Also how many are still even on the team? How man of the u11/u12/u13 benchers (ones who never starters and only played to give the starters a rest) stayed and took their places in the starting line ups?

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Spring is fun soccer. Coaches use the time to move kids around and try out new formations and positions. Many players are gone for vacations, basketball, and other activities, so benches are often quite empty or full with tentative B team players.

Spring is for building strength and diversity in a team.

The coaches know that Spring scores aren't used for ranking teams or qualifying for NWCL or FWRL (right?). Only State Cup will tell us who can rise victoriously in the end.

Tooo bad that once again, we will have 2 teams with a State Cup.

Yes, unfortunately the one opportunity to compare all teams at the same point in time/development was at the State Cup! Without a consolidated cup, we will be left to debate endlessly with no real answer. Let's get these leagues consolidated!!!!

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You talk as if you have been there. I would love to know of your daughters team as they aged how many of the starters from u11/u12/u13 are still starters at u14/u15 and on up. Also how many are still even on the team? How man of the u11/u12/u13 benchers (ones who never starters and only played to give the starters a rest) stayed and took their places in the starting line ups?

Until some other club in the Portland metro area steps up (and no one has yet), most of the best female players will continue to migrate to FCP, THUSC and Crossfire. The teams at those clubs get stronger and stronger each year while the teams from other clubs fade away or disappear completely by U15. Having teams in the ECNL only helps this as it attracts those who are seriously committed to playing soccer in college. Your best chance (but not your only chance) of being recruited is to play in the ECNL.

The typical pattern is that the only about 40% of the "starters" on a THUSC/FC/Xfire team at U16 were even at those clubs at U11. Most were at clubs closer to their homes and still trying to figure out what level they should be playing at. Each year girls leave the other clubs and move to THUSC/FC/Xfire. Of course, only the very best from the other clubs move as very few will move across the city to play on a "B" team, although some will. The big 3 clubs assimilate this new talent every year and develop the new players as they continue to develop the players that have been there all along. The teams get stronger and stronger, while the other club's teams get weaker and weaker. At the end of the journey, THUSC/FC/Xfire place a large percentage of their girls in competitive college programs.

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Yes, unfortunately the one opportunity to compare all teams at the same point in time/development was at the State Cup! Without a consolidated cup, we will be left to debate endlessly with no real answer. Let's get these leagues consolidated!!!!

Not really necessary. WA teams don't play in the same state cup as OR or CA teams but their level of performance can be compared. There are endless opportunities throughout the year for teams to play one another without having to be in the same league.

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Not really necessary. WA teams don't play in the same state cup as OR or CA teams but their level of performance can be compared. There are endless opportunities throughout the year for teams to play one another without having to be in the same league.

Completely disagree. At this age there are very few data points available to compare WA and OR teams and those you do have vary over long periods of time and focus largely on summer tournaments where attendance is far from consistent. As for CA... how many CA teams has your U12 team actually played?? Endless opportunities, hardly.