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The switch isn't that big of a deal. The SW WA teams have been doing it for several years, playing 11v11 in the OPL fall and then 9v9 in the PML spring / WA State Cup. As long as your roster isn't above 14 players (limit for U11 in WA), all is good. As for formations, most of the top 9v9 teams will play 3-2-3, some 3-3-2.

never said it was a big deal, just want proof it's actually happening full scale for spring as that contradicts what I had heard/read

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9v9 with the same number of kids equates to more teams, and therefore more coaching salaries / expenses. While the right thing to do developmentally, don't expect the cost to go down with the smaller teams.

Why should the club cost go down for a smaller team? You are still getting all the same from the club as you would at 11v11 aren't you, but actually better development with the smaller teams.

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never said it was a big deal, just want proof it's actually happening full scale for spring as that contradicts what I had heard/read

I dont know if its written anywhere, but I asked our DOC if OYSA U11 was going to be 9v9 and thats what I was told.

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I dont know if its written anywhere, but I asked our DOC if OYSA U11 was going to be 9v9 and thats what I was told.

And I know that the U10 academy at ***C is currently restructuring their teams for 7v7 this spring.

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9v9! More touches, more opportunities for attacking football, harder for players to hid, and lessens bootball tendencies (I think).

Some argument that it is still too many at that age. I thought the DOCs and OPL got 11v11 dead wrong when they got things started.

Having said that, I have heard indirectly that OPL is looking closely at this issue as well - one good thing that may come out of the split is Oregon soccer revisiting numbers at this age.

Further reading on the subject - 2006 Scottish Study (with cites to previous analysis).

NorCal is looking at doing something similar. They already play 8v8 at U11 but are looking at reducing the number of players at U12 as well

http://www.norcalpremier.com/docs/Fi...g%20Format.pdf

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NorCal is looking at doing something similar. They already play 8v8 at U11 but are looking at reducing the number of players at U12 as well

http://www.norcalpremier.com/docs/Fi...g%20Format.pdf

Super interesting - thank you for passing that on.

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Will u11/U12 be 9v9 including a goalie or plus a goalie making 10 per team?

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Will u11/U12 be 9v9 including a goalie or plus a goalie making 10 per team?

If its 9v9 then that includes the goal keeper.

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Will u11/U12 be 9v9 including a goalie or plus a goalie making 10 per team?

8+ a goalie

9v9 is 9 on the field

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Trendy...

Super interesting - thank you for passing that on.

Okay, so everyone is jumping on the bandwagon for smaller is better but shouldn't our kids be exposed to a wide variety of game/playing conditions? I would guess that virtually all the clubs now practice in small field/sided games, yes? My DDs team works countless hours in this format all in close quarters with a focus on maximizing touches and fine ball skills. Then we go to futsal, spend the entire winter months working on small sided games designed to maximize touches and 1v1. Then we transition into spring or fall league on larger fields. The kids now have to adapt to a different environment. All of a sudden they find out they can't play the entire field and that they can't kick/clear the ball to the other end of the field, low and behold they are introduced to a new concept, midfield. They actually have to build up posession from the back to move the ball down the field (and here's the big "if" they are taught correctly). Also, when you stick young players in close proximity you don't get 1v1 you get 1v2 or 3 as they collapse making it nearly impossible for a young player to get enough space to practice all those creative moves we want them to learn and use!

I am not pro one or the other... but my point here is that just sticking them on a smaller field is not some magic solution and the larger field does force an element of balance on players that are already playing lots of small sided games. It's about the coaching and if the quality of coaching is good, I think the larger field can be a great learning opportunity. If your coach just wants to win and doesn't work on developing play on the larger field, then perhaps the small field is the player's best defense against crappy coaching and parents hollering boot it!

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I think Oregon clubs would particularly benefit from going down to 9v9 at U11. Most teams I've seen have a handful of great players, a handful of medium quality and then have to fill out their A team rosters with players who would never make the A team in bigger markets. It seems to slow down the development of both the top & bottom level players on the team. With roster max of 14 (our team has 17 w/couple of practice players), I think this would increase the number of like-ability players playing together. The bubble players who get moved down may be unhappy but it will prob be better for their development.

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Okay, so everyone is jumping on the bandwagon for smaller is better but shouldn't our kids be exposed to a wide variety of game/playing conditions? I would guess that virtually all the clubs now practice in small field/sided games, yes? My DDs team works countless hours in this format all in close quarters with a focus on maximizing touches and fine ball skills. Then we go to futsal, spend the entire winter months working on small sided games designed to maximize touches and 1v1. Then we transition into spring or fall league on larger fields. The kids now have to adapt to a different environment. All of a sudden they find out they can't play the entire field and that they can't kick/clear the ball to the other end of the field, low and behold they are introduced to a new concept, midfield. They actually have to build up posession from the back to move the ball down the field (and here's the big "if" they are taught correctly). Also, when you stick young players in close proximity you don't get 1v1 you get 1v2 or 3 as they collapse making it nearly impossible for a young player to get enough space to practice all those creative moves we want them to learn and use!

I am not pro one or the other... but my point here is that just sticking them on a smaller field is not some magic solution and the larger field does force an element of balance on players that are already playing lots of small sided games. It's about the coaching and if the quality of coaching is good, I think the larger field can be a great learning opportunity. If your coach just wants to win and doesn't work on developing play on the larger field, then perhaps the small field is the player's best defense against crappy coaching and parents hollering boot it!

I think the idea is that when they are younger teaching the 11v11 is much easier than teaching the actual ball skills, so waiting another year or two before playin gon the big field isn't going to affect them long term. however, putting them in smaller sized games where they get more work on the ball will help them develop faster and better overall which then when its time to play on a larger field will only help them. Or at least that seems to be the mind frame.

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Okay, so everyone is jumping on the bandwagon for smaller is better but shouldn't our kids be exposed to a wide variety of game/playing conditions? I would guess that virtually all the clubs now practice in small field/sided games, yes? My DDs team works countless hours in this format all in close quarters with a focus on maximizing touches and fine ball skills. Then we go to futsal, spend the entire winter months working on small sided games designed to maximize touches and 1v1. Then we transition into spring or fall league on larger fields. The kids now have to adapt to a different environment. All of a sudden they find out they can't play the entire field and that they can't kick/clear the ball to the other end of the field, low and behold they are introduced to a new concept, midfield. They actually have to build up posession from the back to move the ball down the field (and here's the big "if" they are taught correctly). Also, when you stick young players in close proximity you don't get 1v1 you get 1v2 or 3 as they collapse making it nearly impossible for a young player to get enough space to practice all those creative moves we want them to learn and use!

I am not pro one or the other... but my point here is that just sticking them on a smaller field is not some magic solution and the larger field does force an element of balance on players that are already playing lots of small sided games. It's about the coaching and if the quality of coaching is good, I think the larger field can be a great learning opportunity. If your coach just wants to win and doesn't work on developing play on the larger field, then perhaps the small field is the player's best defense against crappy coaching and parents hollering boot it!

I'm all for innovation but the rest of the world is doing it with less numbers and showing success....these ideas are not new ideas and in fact are being brought down by US Youth Soccer...Klinnsman has analyzed our youth system and about puked...changes are coming.....

youth soccer will be run by MLS affiliates with strict curriculum....it will take a while to implement and we will not see true benefits for maybe 10-15 years but it is a necessary change. Once we weed out the Bball and football mentality soccer will grow.

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I'm all for innovation but the rest of the world is doing it with less numbers and showing success....these ideas are not new ideas and in fact are being brought down by US Youth Soccer...Klinnsman has analyzed our youth system and about puked...changes are coming.....

youth soccer will be run by MLS affiliates with strict curriculum....it will take a while to implement and we will not see true benefits for maybe 10-15 years but it is a necessary change. Once we weed out the Bball and football mentality soccer will grow.

well, well, well..."Once we weed out the bball and football mentality" will take probably another generation or two and even longer in Vantucky.

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well, well, well..."Once we weed out the bball and football mentality" will take probably another generation or two and even longer in Vantucky.

I would watch what you say....most of our best players come from Vantucky....