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What is going on with Eastside? Scores inconsistent. Beat stronger team but, only tied a weaker one?

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What is going on with Eastside? Scores inconsistent. Beat stronger team but, only tied a weaker one?

Answer: It's U11

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How does allowing your fast forward to always play boot ball (which is direct play) helpful to developing the rest of the players? Those kind of moronic ideas stem from short-sighted, spoiled, parents who are focused on wins, wins only to sooth their twised egos so they might strut proudly on the way back to to their car post game. This is exactly why the US is so very far behind in many things, especially soccer. Immediate gratification traded for long-term success drives these choices in club and rec soccer. One style of play takes patience and strategic thinking the other caters to emotionally immature children pretending to be sports educated soccer moms. These parents really just want to post a pic of their DD, sporting a medal from their latest boot ball win onto Facebook, and are more interested in filling out their latest scrapbook, than actually dreaming of their kids learning the beautiful game. The "Soccer Mom", ignorant of the game, drivin by boredom and ego, more intertested in bragging to the neighbor about their kids meaningless weekend success, are the single worst thing to occur to US soccer. Tell Mom to stay home, away from the pitch, find a new hobby (kids sports are not an adult hobby) and stop ruining this game with your cursory knowledge of Soccer. Go back to school, volunteer at a homeless shelter, or just take up drinking during the day, just stay out of this game please.

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Not talking about any one kid in particular. I am referring to kids at U11 scoring a lot will be the same kids in this group scoring when they hit U14 and above. Been thru this twice now and history will repeat. Kids don't score because they are big.... They score because they are fast, have talent on ball and desire to put it in the net. If your kid isn't scoring now it probably won't change a great deal in future as goals will get harder to come by.


Just the facts man.

That's one of the most defeatest and self righteous comments I think I've ever seen. So, if your 10 year old isn't scoring in games right now... then, they probably never will? What? That's moronic!

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That's one of the most defeatest and self righteous comments I think I've ever seen. So, if your 10 year old isn't scoring in games right now... then, they probably never will? What? That's moronic!

Didn't say they never will. In fact more than one or two kids a team score now at U11. But the majority of goals will be scored by a teams top scorer. The kids that are your teams top scorer's today will be same kids thru U14 and beyond. Don't get you panties in a bunch. Your DD will still score if you need her to. Just not as much as the kid scoring all the goals now.

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Didn't say they never will. In fact more than one or two kids a team score now at U11. But the majority of goals will be scored by a teams top scorer. The kids that are your teams top scorer's today will be same kids thru U14 and beyond. Don't get you panties in a bunch. Your DD will still score if you need her to. Just not as much as the kid scoring all the goals now.

I would think that most of girls who make a top team were all top scores at one time then they start playing positoins around this age. If they are lucky the coach will rotate them but, most don't. From what I have seen the majority of fowards don't pass the ball and if do it's usually a short pass to other forward. Most run and go with it.

The position a player plays, coaching style, has a lot to do with how much one does and does not score. To say most of top scorer's today will be same tomorrow is not true. What happens is the girls who want to score but do to positioning, team needs, don't get the opportunities to score? Many of those may move to different teams.

Players who can play multiple positions well end up being an bigger asset to teams as they get older and faced with injuries. Many forwards only end of playing forward or wing and that does not help to much when you have injuries. Smart coaches know this.

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I think that will hold true for my DDs team but I keep hearing folks say "the stars at U11 are RARELY the stars at U15...". I think a few more might develop into stars and other stars may join the team (not many due to limited isolated market) but I just don't see the current stars ever dropping out of stardom. I've watched these girls for years and the stars are the stars because they are faster, more athletic and have an overwhelming drive to compete, succeed and score goals. Most of the girls on her team have been playing since 4 or 5 years old so it's not like they're just starting out and the girls who grew first are the best merely because they are the fastest & the biggest. The same girls are the scorers & stars now that were the scorers and stars at U6. But everyone keeps telling me I'm wrong. Thoughts from other teams? Any similar or different ideas?

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Don't believe what is said here. My son was good when he was rec and one of the best on every team he played for. He knew what he wanted and was driven. Now he plays college ball. My other son had potential but didn't care as much. He was good when he was young but didn't have the drive. guess what? He is at college as well. On a law team not a soccer team. Grand daughters are now playing. If they have the drive we will get them the training they need. But they have to decide for themselves how far they want to try and go. And sometimes you have to be real with yourself. Some people are just naturally better and smarter athletes. Don't take advice from these dorks. Just read the blogs and marvel at the wonder that is Oregon Talking Soccer!

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I think that will hold true for my DDs team but I keep hearing folks say "the stars at U11 are RARELY the stars at U15...". I think a few more might develop into stars and other stars may join the team (not many due to limited isolated market) but I just don't see the current stars ever dropping out of stardom. I've watched these girls for years and the stars are the stars because they are faster, more athletic and have an overwhelming drive to compete, succeed and score goals. Most of the girls on her team have been playing since 4 or 5 years old so it's not like they're just starting out and the girls who grew first are the best merely because they are the fastest & the biggest. The same girls are the scorers & stars now that were the scorers and stars at U6. But everyone keeps telling me I'm wrong. Thoughts from other teams? Any similar or different ideas?

DD was scorer, moved to another team, placed in positions for team need (which is good for the team) . Tries to dribble ball up, gets yelled at by forwards to pass, if she does not and loose the ball, the scorers then point out lost ball at times (they do to). DD does not want to get yelled at my teammates so passes ball instead of challange now. Coach happy cause goes to scorer player. There is a pecking order on her team developing which I don't think the coach has picked up on yet.

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I think that will hold true for my DDs team but I keep hearing folks say "the stars at U11 are RARELY the stars at U15...". I think a few more might develop into stars and other stars may join the team (not many due to limited isolated market) but I just don't see the current stars ever dropping out of stardom. I've watched these girls for years and the stars are the stars because they are faster, more athletic and have an overwhelming drive to compete, succeed and score goals. Most of the girls on her team have been playing since 4 or 5 years old so it's not like they're just starting out and the girls who grew first are the best merely because they are the fastest & the biggest. The same girls are the scorers & stars now that were the scorers and stars at U6. But everyone keeps telling me I'm wrong. Thoughts from other teams? Any similar or different ideas?

Please tell me you didn't really just say 'they were the scorers and stars at U6'. That was sarcasm right?

This happens every year at U11. New group of first time parents and everyone thinks that because little Suzy is scoring now that means she'll be the greatest player ever. Some will continue on and be the top scorer and best player on their team. For some that may not mean much as their team won't be very good. So much will change. Ignore the person who keeps claiming nothing will change. This is their oldest child and in time they will learn as we all have.

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Please tell me you didn't really just say 'they were the scorers and stars at U6'. That was sarcasm right?

This happens every year at U11. New group of first time parents and everyone thinks that because little Suzy is scoring now that means she'll be the greatest player ever. Some will continue on and be the top scorer and best player on their team. For some that may not mean much as their team won't be very good. So much will change. Ignore the person who keeps claiming nothing will change. This is their oldest child and in time they will learn as we all have.

Agree, with this statement. Like to add, if coach is only focusing on the scorers then consider moving as previous poster is correct that team won't be good at older ages. Takes 11 solid players at older ages to make winning team. I think many coaches at younger ages forget this and only focus on a few "suzy" stars. Hurts the soccer community when they get older, as already compete with other sports for players.

Soccer is a marathon not a sprint.

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Please tell me you didn't really just say 'they were the scorers and stars at U6'. That was sarcasm right?

This happens every year at U11. New group of first time parents and everyone thinks that because little Suzy is scoring now that means she'll be the greatest player ever. Some will continue on and be the top scorer and best player on their team. For some that may not mean much as their team won't be very good. So much will change. Ignore the person who keeps claiming nothing will change. This is their oldest child and in time they will learn as we all have.

I think a big part of the reality, here, is that if we are loving parents we all have had thoughts of our DD becoming the "best ever." It's part of longing for and believing the best for our child. The anonymity of this site causes many people to lose their filter (some in juvenile negative comments and some in those internal thoughts that normally don't make it to the light of day). For the most part, we all have those thoughts and dreams of our DD "going all the way" but we manage to stay anchored to reality. Heck, I admit I see my own DD's potential an propensities on the field and fully believe she can advance to the highest level, but I balance that with the reality of her priorities, burnout/interest change, puberty's effect on athleticism, vocational ambitions, possible injury, etc., etc. Those who have had older children go through may have a better grasp on this and still some of those may be imbalanced in their pessimism, as they held too tightly to their own ambitions for their DD. We all need to realize and allow for the inherent belief that every good parent has for their child and know that there are different levels of self-awareness and experience.

Dr. Phil out

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I think a big part of the reality, here, is that if we are loving parents we all have had thoughts of our DD becoming the "best ever." It's part of longing for and believing the best for our child. The anonymity of this site causes many people to lose their filter (some in juvenile negative comments and some in those internal thoughts that normally don't make it to the light of day). For the most part, we all have those thoughts and dreams of our DD "going all the way" but we manage to stay anchored to reality. Heck, I admit I see my own DD's potential an propensities on the field and fully believe she can advance to the highest level, but I balance that with the reality of her priorities, burnout/interest change, puberty's effect on athleticism, vocational ambitions, possible injury, etc., etc. Those who have had older children go through may have a better grasp on this and still some of those may be imbalanced in their pessimism, as they held too tightly to their own ambitions for their DD. We all need to realize and allow for the inherent belief that every good parent has for their child and know that there are different levels of self-awareness and experience.

Dr. Phil out

Hey, Dr. Phil - Please and Really? You have the same aspirations for your DD and are kidding nobody. Why else would parets pay $1500 to play soccer club? If your truly concerned about balancing with priorities of burnout/intersest changes etc you'd have DD in rec. and would not be on talking soccer. Please don't even go there.

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I'm simply saying that the girls who were fast, athletic, smart, in shape, and driven at 5 years old are still the best players on my DDs soccer team and the majority of the overweight, out of shape, slower and not as smart players are still the lesser players on the team. True: some have dropped out (both top & bottom players), and some have joined her team from other teams or other sports (both top & bottom level players again) but the overall "pecking/ranking order of the players has basically been the same for five years. All of the players have improved and some are closing the gap but most of the ranking changes have been in the middle or lower end. Unless, it's a new player, I don't see any of the existing players passing up the top five in the next five years either. They might train hard but the top five are training hard too and seem to have the edge in speed, athleticism & tactical awareness. It might just be her team or I might just be terribly wrong but.... The only chance I see is if puberty is very bad or very good soccer-wise for some of the players. Regardless. I still think every kid should try their best but I don't think parents should be disappointed if genetics is holding their kid back.

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I'm simply saying that the girls who were fast, athletic, smart, in shape, and driven at 5 years old are still the best players on my DDs soccer team and the majority of the overweight, out of shape, slower and not as smart players are still the lesser players on the team. True: some have dropped out (both top & bottom players), and some have joined her team from other teams or other sports (both top & bottom level players again) but the overall "pecking/ranking order of the players has basically been the same for five years. All of the players have improved and some are closing the gap but most of the ranking changes have been in the middle or lower end. Unless, it's a new player, I don't see any of the existing players passing up the top five in the next five years either. They might train hard but the top five are training hard too and seem to have the edge in speed, athleticism & tactical awareness. It might just be her team or I might just be terribly wrong but.... The only chance I see is if puberty is very bad or very good soccer-wise for some of the players. Regardless. I still think every kid should try their best but I don't think parents should be disappointed if genetics is holding their kid back.

I think I may have started this train of thought when I said "I have been thru this twice before and kids scoring a bunch at U11 will be same kids scoring in bunches at future levels". I would like to take time and point out that most teams will play with two forwards.

Hopefully the two forwards you have are the scorer's for your team. That leaves you with 9 other equally important positions. On many of my daughters teams most dominate players on team has been center back and or attacking mids. People have said on this blog that this must be my first kid, or my experience has been at a diminished level. They couldn't be further off. Don't confuse scorer with best soccer player. Sometimes that is the case and those teams in older ages are fortunate as goals are hard to come by, but often it isn't the case and a dominate player could play at any position on the field. It just depends where a girl is comfortable playing. Don't get caught up in scoring.