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Maybe, but who wants to teach their team to play with a sweeper? Is it really "beating" the long ball, or trying to plug a leak with your finger just to find another spring up somewhere else? Any respectable coach will easily exploit that formation. You put the players at a disadvantage developmentally, because the players will not play that formation in the future. It's a terminal formation.

You also place players at a disadvantage developmentally when all you do is have ONE play of wngers up to forwards. Pretty easy to read the team when you get older and the fast kds eventually get caught. Thats really not possession ball either. If another team places a sweeper in back for that game to stop the team good for them. Neither team is really developing kids. Both are one pony shows.

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Man the top 2 teams right now can't catch a break. If they beat a good team everyone calls them a boot ball team. However, they ignore all the games that they played this year where they played keepaway from the other team and play possession.

with ***C and Westside I have seen people sit here and call them a boot ball team and all this other stuff. But I have seen games where they consistently put passes together and play keepaway from the other team. But when they do that they get no respect because its against a "bad" team. I guess you just can't win

I have watched all the teams play too this year. The frustration lies in that you have the two top teams who score the MAJORITY of the goals on breakways and not by moving ball up through "possession ball".

There are other teams that are really focusing on trying to do possession play and moving the ball up that way. There scores don't reflect this but, you go watch the games and see the attempt which is good. Since they are "not" winning people right them off. The fail to see what really being tried on the field.

You won't see the results unitl they get older.

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I have watched all the teams play too this year. The frustration lies in that you have the two top teams who score the MAJORITY of the goals on breakways and not by moving ball up through "possession ball".

There are other teams that are really focusing on trying to do possession play and moving the ball up that way. There scores don't reflect this but, you go watch the games and see the attempt which is good. Since they are "not" winning people right them off. The fail to see what really being tried on the field.

You won't see the results unitl they get older.

I think the thing is though outside of those 2 teams the rest don't seem to have the athletes to get the same amount of breakaways. Are you supposed to tell a kid not to take a breakaway if she creates it?

I have watched the majority of the teams this year and the top 2 pass just as much as just about every other team I have watched. Some games they may get out passed and some games they out pass others. The difference is they are more athletic which makes it look like its boot ball because of the amount of breakaways they are getting, but many of those breakaways are created by some good passing finished with a quality through ball. For example I watched game and two goals on breakaways came off one forward checking back and recieving the ball to her feet, turning the defender and then playing a quality ball on the ground to the other forward, which happened to put her behind the defense. Is that boot ball? no, but it gets mistaken for it because it was scored on a "breakaway"

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I have watched all the teams play too this year. The frustration lies in that you have the two top teams who score the MAJORITY of the goals on breakways and not by moving ball up through "possession ball".

There are other teams that are really focusing on trying to do possession play and moving the ball up that way. There scores don't reflect this but, you go watch the games and see the attempt which is good. Since they are "not" winning people right them off. The fail to see what really being tried on the field.

You won't see the results unitl they get older.

I hear what you are saying, but I think you sell short the so-called top 2 teams (And I do not have a player on these teams, I promise). It is very likely that all the teams are trying to do some possession, and they do it, in pockets.

I have been doing this a long time. I would like to make a point that might bother you but it is the truth. Of course there is some eb and flow of development that is different for each team. But generally speaking, the top teams at U11 will also be the top teams at U16. You might have a team collapse hear or there and you might see a team slip a few spots or gain a few spots... But that's about it.

People love to come on this forum and shout out the buzz word 'possession'. While I agree that possessing the ball is quite important, and it has been the go to phrase as Barcelona ruled the world, generally all the teams are learning how to possess. That's just normal, good solid training that nearly all of these kids get. But I wouldn't hang my hat on this idea that somehow your team is learning it any better than the others. I also would remind you that the best teams in the world right now are from Germany. The Germans play a much more physical, straight forward, type of soccer that mixes in combinations... but not ultimately geared towards 'possession'. And that brand of soccer is the best in the world right now.

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Skill development

I have watched all the teams play too this year. The frustration lies in that you have the two top teams who score the MAJORITY of the goals on breakways and not by moving ball up through "possession ball".

There are other teams that are really focusing on trying to do possession play and moving the ball up that way. There scores don't reflect this but, you go watch the games and see the attempt which is good. Since they are "not" winning people right them off. The fail to see what really being tried on the field.

You won't see the results unitl they get older.

You "possession rules" folks are funny. I have been through this with 2 older DD's and can tell you focusing on possession at the younger ages will decrease your daughters ability to win 1 v 1, and hold a ball with confidence. If all the team works on is one touch and pass and move, your child will fall behind. Within a couple of years she will be replaced with a girl who has been on a worse team that focused on player development, not team development. Get your child private training and have her focus on her skills during games. If the coach won't let her develop her skills in game situations, find a new team with a coach who understands real player development. Focus on your daughters, and not the team success. You will be a better fan, and a better parent.

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Some great comments on here. The funniest comment I hear all the time is "we don't teach enough possession, look how the cali teams play".... You do realize that the Cali teams are choosing players out of pools that are in some cases 4 times larger than ours. If you took the top 4 players on a good team here and realize you have entire team of players of their level, then of course they will pay a better looking game. its just a numbers game. They are being taught very similar things, its just with better players they pick up those things faster and can accomplish them with more success.

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Some great comments on here. The funniest comment I hear all the time is "we don't teach enough possession, look how the cali teams play".... You do realize that the Cali teams are choosing players out of pools that are in some cases 4 times larger than ours. If you took the top 4 players on a good team here and realize you have entire team of players of their level, then of course they will pay a better looking game. its just a numbers game. They are being taught very similar things, its just with better players they pick up those things faster and can accomplish them with more success.

Texas is the same. However, the big difference I see is the intensity that they play with at younger ages. At U11, the best teams there played with so much more intensity. Especially on defense. Girls marked tighter, by a bunch, and loose balls were raced after as if they were a big ball of chocolate and the winner got to eat it. Not all teams were like this, but the top one's were. When I moved here I was astonished at how slow the game was here.

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Texas is the same. However, the big difference I see is the intensity that they play with at younger ages. At U11, the best teams there played with so much more intensity. Especially on defense. Girls marked tighter, by a bunch, and loose balls were raced after as if they were a big ball of chocolate and the winner got to eat it. Not all teams were like this, but the top one's were. When I moved here I was astonished at how slow the game was here.

Thats also a product of bigger player pools. If you took your best players and how fast they could play, then it makes sense that a full team of those level of players would naturally be able to play at a faster pace.

But Its more than that. A coach can only coach to the level of the talent they have. We may want to preach possession here but if your team can't physically do it to the level you want then you have to slow down a bit and start at a lower level. But if your team has a team full of all stars then you can push them at a higher level and play the possession that people are talking about.

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Thats also a product of bigger player pools. If you took your best players and how fast they could play, then it makes sense that a full team of those level of players would naturally be able to play at a faster pace.

But Its more than that. A coach can only coach to the level of the talent they have. We may want to preach possession here but if your team can't physically do it to the level you want then you have to slow down a bit and start at a lower level. But if your team has a team full of all stars then you can push them at a higher level and play the possession that people are talking about.

Actually, there is no reason that players here don't play with more intensity and mark up tighter and go harder after balls. That doesn't take skill, that's mindset. That's all on the coach and what he demands of his team. You build this through coaching it. We may not have the pools of girls with the skills of California or Texas, but there is no reason for them not to play as hard as those girls play. I'm sure you watch your dd's practices. When you are there, note how hard the coach pushes them. Note how he treats a situation where a player doesn't go hard after a ball or race to a player who is receiving a pass. How often do you see girls jog to the player who just received the ball, giving them plenty of time to receive the ball, take a touch and decide what to do? Players should walk off the field exhausted. Instead, how often do girls walk off the field fresh and smiling and talkative? I'm not saying they should kill themselves out there, but they should be spent when they walk off the field after a game. Some are, but not the entire team.

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Thats also a product of bigger player pools. If you took your best players and how fast they could play, then it makes sense that a full team of those level of players would naturally be able to play at a faster pace.

But Its more than that. A coach can only coach to the level of the talent they have. We may want to preach possession here but if your team can't physically do it to the level you want then you have to slow down a bit and start at a lower level. But if your team has a team full of all stars then you can push them at a higher level and play the possession that people are talking about.

As send on the possession thread how come Oregon can be he running capital of the nation and turn out nationally ranked runner year after year if we are such a smaller population? If the "pool" theory is correct then Oregon should not be so "deep/rich" in national ranked runners. I do believe a lot is in training/coaching.

With that said I really like an idea of which of the 02 teams/coaches appear to be focusing on possession and development the most? It appears to me when I watch the teams and some teams seem to be improving while others look about the same everytime you watch them.

I'd be interested to see peoples thoughts on what they are seeing in the 02 coaches that seperates the teams so much. Is it coaching or just certain clubs haing more athletic players? If athletic players then, are you seeing development still?

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some great comments on here. The funniest comment i hear all the time is "we don't teach enough possession, look how the cali teams play".... You do realize that the cali teams are choosing players out of pools that are in some cases 4 times larger than ours. If you took the top 4 players on a good team here and realize you have entire team of players of their level, then of course they will pay a better looking game. Its just a numbers game. They are being taught very similar things, its just with better players they pick up those things faster and can accomplish them with more success.

please go read the last few comments on the how to teach possession soccer thread. There are some excellent comments and you may learn something. Its not about pool size. Its about good coaching. Pool size is an excuse for coaches who can't develop players.

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As send on the possession thread how come Oregon can be he running capital of the nation and turn out nationally ranked runner year after year if we are such a smaller population? If the "pool" theory is correct then Oregon should not be so "deep/rich" in national ranked runners. I do believe a lot is in training/coaching.

With that said I really like an idea of which of the 02 teams/coaches appear to be focusing on possession and development the most? It appears to me when I watch the teams and some teams seem to be improving while others look about the same everytime you watch them.

I'd be interested to see peoples thoughts on what they are seeing in the 02 coaches that seperates the teams so much. Is it coaching or just certain clubs haing more athletic players? If athletic players then, are you seeing development still?

Why do you worry about which coaches? You should really just worry about your coach and if you think HE is teaching possession soccer (or whatever development is important to you). I've been around a number of coaches and I've only run into ONE that taught bootball, but that was at a HS and thankfully, that coach is gone (since in HS, you have to take the coach you have). Every other coach wants to play possession soccer. It's just some teach it better than others, and some teams execute it better than others. I've been to hundreds of practices and I've never seen a drill where players execute a drill to reinforce bootball.

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Why do you worry about which coaches? You should really just worry about your coach and if you think HE is teaching possession soccer (or whatever development is important to you). I've been around a number of coaches and I've only run into ONE that taught bootball, but that was at a HS and thankfully, that coach is gone (since in HS, you have to take the coach you have). Every other coach wants to play possession soccer. It's just some teach it better than others, and some teams execute it better than others. I've been to hundreds of practices and I've never seen a drill where players execute a drill to reinforce bootball.

I guess since people seem to focus on the players but, players only are doing what they are told from the coaches. Good coaches should get recognized.

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I guess since people seem to focus on the players but, players only are doing what they are told from the coaches. Good coaches should get recognized.

From my observations BSC appears to be good program.

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How did FCSC beat VFC 4-1 today?