Girls 02 Rankings

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I'll interrupt this discussion to thank all for one for the very cool tools/analysis. It's very interesting.

Pretty sure we have dd at same age and I've run into you a number of times.

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It's a neat-o tool.

I went to do the team comparison match up thing and for some ages of the girls it only had like four 'b' teams to choose from?

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I assume the N value shown for each team is the number of games used as your sample. What is the reasoning in there being such a wide discrepancy in the N value between teams? Some have an N in the single digits and others are in the high 20's.

You're correct, "N" is the number of games the team has played, at least in the leagues and tournaments that we've captured. As long as a team has played at least 8 games, the number of games played doesn't affect the rankings. Of course, the more games played the more comfortable we are with the rankings.

For G02 we only have game data for leagues and tournaments in Washington and Oregon so some games might be missing for some teams. Also, we are having some issues matching up teams names from last year to this year as many clubs have changed the way they name teams, so we decided to leave out games from U11 for now. G01 was our pilot project that started over 2 years ago so that age group captures every game for every non-rec team in Region IV (37,000 and counting).

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That's all great for kids getting experience but if you're looking for statistical relevance in those quant models you may want to rethink your data samples. Would you include pre-season football games in your analysis of regular season match ups?? Of course not, so you mental midgets may want to rethink how relevant some of these results are to current match ups. Vegas would make a fortune off you chumps!

Hey Stupid ! Soccer tournaments are not Preseason Football games !!! and how would you know where Vegas is ? you never been out of Mommy's Basement !

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It's a neat-o tool.

I went to do the team comparison match up thing and for some ages of the girls it only had like four 'b' teams to choose from?

For girls, the "Match Predictor" really only works for the G01 age group right now. The G01 database is much larger and is separate from all of the other age groups. Getting the Match Predictor to work for the other girls age groups is on the "to do" list for when things quiet down a bit this winter.

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Hey Stupid ! Soccer tournaments are not Preseason Football games !!! and how would you know where Vegas is ? you never been out of Mommy's Basement !

Maybe you handle tournaments differently in your trailer park community, but at our club and hopefully other quality clubs we focus on developing young players. We enter into a larger number of summer tournaments with a larger roster knowing we will have lower participation rates but providing more opportunities for playing time and allowing for playing time in more varied positions. Sounds pretty similar to pre-season football to me! In contrast, some clubs may only enter three summer tournaments, carry a narrow roster and expect everyone to be there. In fairness to the rankings, I don't see how they would be able to distinguish clubs with different philosophies (which is why I suggested excluding). If their assessment of statistical relevance is correct and the summer results are in fact additive, it doesn't make a good case for clubs focusing on development but rather short term wins. Would like to know whether they've been able to chart trends in development unique to specific clubs over time? Ex. Do certain clubs start out strong at early ages and revert over time? Or do strong attacking teams at very young ages tend to revert over time and at what age groups do you see this occur?

Unfortunately, mom's double wide doesn't have a basement.

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Maybe you handle tournaments differently in your trailer park community, but at our club and hopefully other quality clubs we focus on developing young players. We enter into a larger number of summer tournaments with a larger roster knowing we will have lower participation rates but providing more opportunities for playing time and allowing for playing time in more varied positions. Sounds pretty similar to pre-season football to me! In contrast, some clubs may only enter three summer tournaments, carry a narrow roster and expect everyone to be there. In fairness to the rankings, I don't see how they would be able to distinguish clubs with different philosophies (which is why I suggested excluding). If their assessment of statistical relevance is correct and the summer results are in fact additive, it doesn't make a good case for clubs focusing on development but rather short term wins. Would like to know whether they've been able to chart trends in development unique to specific clubs over time? Ex. Do certain clubs start out strong at early ages and revert over time? Or do strong attacking teams at very young ages tend to revert over time and at what age groups do you see this occur?

Unfortunately, mom's double wide doesn't have a basement.

These are all good points. However, we have no way of knowing which teams are playing for "development" and which teams are playing for "wins", and whether this happens only in tournaments or also in league games, and which tournaments and league games. We also have no access to rosters and, honestly, no interest in knowing this stuff. All we're doing is rating teams based on results. Its a completely objective ranking that ranks teams that win more and win by more higher than those that lose and lose by a lot. How the results are achieved is a lot more subjective and open to interpretation and bias so we've excluded those factors.

As for trends over time, what we've found is that teams that are strong at the early ages either stay strong or get weaker each year. Very seldom does a weak team at U11 get noticeably stronger over time. The 10 roughly equal teams at U11 usually become just 3 or 4 strong teams by U15. Basically, for top players, either start out at a club with a history of producing strong teams, or move there by U14. There are several potential reasons for this: players quitting, consolidation to the stronger teams, coaching, etc.

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Maybe you handle tournaments differently in your trailer park community, but at our club and hopefully other quality clubs we focus on developing young players. We enter into a larger number of summer tournaments with a larger roster knowing we will have lower participation rates but providing more opportunities for playing time and allowing for playing time in more varied positions. Sounds pretty similar to pre-season football to me! In contrast, some clubs may only enter three summer tournaments, carry a narrow roster and expect everyone to be there. In fairness to the rankings, I don't see how they would be able to distinguish clubs with different philosophies (which is why I suggested excluding). If their assessment of statistical relevance is correct and the summer results are in fact additive, it doesn't make a good case for clubs focusing on development but rather short term wins. Would like to know whether they've been able to chart trends in development unique to specific clubs over time? Ex. Do certain clubs start out strong at early ages and revert over time? Or do strong attacking teams at very young ages tend to revert over time and at what age groups do you see this occur?

Unfortunately, mom's double wide doesn't have a basement.

Your idiotic statement about development during summer tournaments indicates exactly what I was suspecting: you know absolutely nothing about the sport and you never played it! To think that playing in 4-5 games over a 2-3 day period is going to help development is asinine! The only thing it helps is to raise funds for the club (or individual) that is overseeing the tournament! And accelerates injury and/or burnout of your little princess! Try putting together a summer league with one game per weekend if you truly want to see development! Long term development will not occur with the current summer tournament culture! Wake up folks! ;)

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Maybe you handle tournaments differently in your trailer park community, but at our club and hopefully other quality clubs we focus on developing young players. We enter into a larger number of summer tournaments with a larger roster knowing we will have lower participation rates but providing more opportunities for playing time and allowing for playing time in more varied positions. Sounds pretty similar to pre-season football to me! In contrast, some clubs may only enter three summer tournaments, carry a narrow roster and expect everyone to be there. In fairness to the rankings, I don't see how they would be able to distinguish clubs with different philosophies (which is why I suggested excluding). If their assessment of statistical relevance is correct and the summer results are in fact additive, it doesn't make a good case for clubs focusing on development but rather short term wins. Would like to know whether they've been able to chart trends in development unique to specific clubs over time? Ex. Do certain clubs start out strong at early ages and revert over time? Or do strong attacking teams at very young ages tend to revert over time and at what age groups do you see this occur?

Unfortunately, mom's double wide doesn't have a basement.

You have absolutely no freaking idea what you are talking about. Tournaments are diametrically opposed to the concept of development.

All your philosophy does is prey on overbearing parents to fleece them of more time and money. Pathetic.

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Your idiotic statement about development during summer tournaments indicates exactly what I was suspecting: you know absolutely nothing about the sport and you never played it! To think that playing in 4-5 games over a 2-3 day period is going to help development is asinine! The only thing it helps is to raise funds for the club (or individual) that is overseeing the tournament! And accelerates injury and/or burnout of your little princess! Try putting together a summer league with one game per weekend if you truly want to see development! Long term development will not occur with the current summer tournament culture! Wake up folks! ;)

Is this my trailer park friend? Actually, most technical development occurs in practice and we practice nearly year round so it is nice to see how that translates to game situations throughout the summer but we're not simply judging development by wins and everyone is encouraged to participate in tournaments if they are around, but if not enjoy your summer vacation. If you're burned out then take a break. That's my entire point about why summer tournaments are less statistically relevant and evidently you agree, you want to get rid of them altogether!

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For girls, the "Match Predictor" really only works for the G01 age group right now. The G01 database is much larger and is separate from all of the other age groups. Getting the Match Predictor to work for the other girls age groups is on the "to do" list for when things quiet down a bit this winter.

Gotcha,

thanks.

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Time for CFC & THUSC to lace em up... come on coaches put aside the politics and get a friendly set up!

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Time for CFC & THUSC to lace em up... come on coaches put aside the politics and get a friendly set up!

I second the motion.

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Playoff

I second the motion.

We need a 4 team playoff, like college football.

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We need a 4 team playoff, like college football.

Let me guess..... Your DD's team was a runner up?

To funny!!!!