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Nope, but it shows a commitment to professional development (and it used to be required). Obviously, VT thinks it is important since the website is calling many of the coaches "candidates" for a D license.
PS- Do you have to resort to name calling to make a point?

I don't think they meant Stupid as name calling. It was stating a fact.

Commitment to professional development? Sure shows from the coaches they are churning out.

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Nope, but it shows a commitment to professional development (and it used to be required). Obviously, VT thinks it is important since the website is calling many of the coaches "candidates" for a D license.
PS- Do you have to resort to name calling to make a point?

My DD's college coach doesn't have an A license and they were ranked top 5 in the country in their division....I should probably give GO a call and have him coach the team....at least he's coached at a high level.

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You were right the first time. Pretty sure your kid hasn't played for them both.

GO has people that don't like him but my DS played for him and didn't think he was bad(as the other poster pointed out) the other has little to no experience coaching a high level competitive team.

It does show how ridiculous it is and even more so when people actually think it means something.

GO and Benedetti both good coaches. Of course the A license means something. In business, if you have 2 solid candidates, one has a 4 year college degree and one has the Associates degree, do you give some merit to the 4 yr degree when selecting the candidate. I hope so, I do. A person's resume is indicative of their capabilities. A credential immediately tells you how much that person has to know to achieve that level. Is the license level going to answer all questions about a coach, well no. But it certainly means something. If you think otherwise, then you are just flat out wrong.

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GO and Benedetti both good coaches. Of course the A license means something. In business, if you have 2 solid candidates, one has a 4 year college degree and one has the Associates degree, do you give some merit to the 4 yr degree when selecting the candidate. I hope so, I do. A person's resume is indicative of their capabilities. A credential immediately tells you how much that person has to know to achieve that level. Is the license level going to answer all questions about a coach, well no. But it certainly means something. If you think otherwise, then you are just flat out wrong.

You have no idea what you are talking about do you? Its pretty clear you know nothing about coaching or the licenses.

How do I know?

1. You said GO is a good coach

2. College degree is like a Coaching license? Are you kidding me?

- You can get a high US coaching license for playing on a high level. Makes sense right? You get a certification for COACHING kids, because you can PLAY with adults FYI they don't do that with any where else...

"A credential immediately tells you how much that person has to know to achieve that level"

Has to know? I was an A student all into high school. Does this mean I'd be a good middle school teacher?


Person A: A License

COaching Experience:

- Assistant on 2 12 year old 2nd division teams.


Person B: No license

- 10 years of coaching from Rec to premier division with state runner ups in boys and girls


Heaven forbid there isn't a license, so idiots like you can't decide who is the best coach?!

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You'd be surprised how little you need to know about coaching to achieve to get an A coach license. Its just time consuming, expensive, and questionably irrelevant to do it all unless you can skip courses.


My son played for John Bain in club and in Highschool who is undoubtedly one of the best coaches besides Charles in Oregon history.


He doesn't have a license...

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You'd be surprised how little you need to know about coaching to achieve to get an A coach license. Its just time consuming, expensive, and questionably irrelevant to do it all unless you can skip courses.


My son played for John Bain in club and in Highschool who is undoubtedly one of the best coaches besides Charles in Oregon history.


He doesn't have a license...

Unless you want to fool the foolbirds in how good of a coach you are.

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You'd be surprised how little you need to know about coaching to achieve to get an A coach license. Its just time consuming, expensive, and questionably irrelevant to do it all unless you can skip courses.


My son played for John Bain in club and in Highschool who is undoubtedly one of the best coaches besides Charles in Oregon history.


He doesn't have a license...

Love John Bain!
I stole this from the Timbers Academy Website- apparently he decided to get a license.

John Bain – Assistant Coach, U-18s

Current Westside Timbers Coaching Director
USSF B License
Former professional player, including 5 seasons with Portland Timbers in the NASL
Former player coach of APSL Portland Timbers
Former Assistant Coach of University of Portland
Former Coach of CISL Portland Pride

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You'd be surprised how little you need to know about coaching to achieve to get an A coach license. Its just time consuming, expensive, and questionably irrelevant to do it all unless you can skip courses.


My son played for John Bain in club and in Highschool who is undoubtedly one of the best coaches besides Charles in Oregon history.


He doesn't have a license...

I second the first part. The 'A' license coach that taught my 'D' class was a very nice guy but couldn't demonstrate tying shoes let alone soccer. Of course, he did demonstrate that we should be teaching our players to come straight on when shooting...all the time. It was very disappointing but some of the other people in the class were very impressive and I enjoyed the time greatly. I learned a lot from watching them and "borrowing" their ideas and practice tactics than anything else.

And for the person to say that coaching licenses are like degrees, you clearly aren't a hiring manager. When applying for a job, the degree is very, very far down on the list as long as they have the minimum; experience and proof of proficiency are the deciding factors, along with references and the interview. I personally don't care if a person has a degree was a PAC 12 school, Ivy League or whatever, as long as they have the minimum and the other aspects of the interview go very well.

The advice for selecting a coach should be based on their style, their beliefs in how to coach, teach and lead and their commitment level. They should be evaluated on the field. And, of course, these need to fit with the club. But, when a club like VT doesn't have a style, doesn't have leadership and can't organize a pot-luck, the decisions are just baseless.

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I second the first part. The 'A' license coach that taught my 'D' class was a very nice guy but couldn't demonstrate tying shoes let alone soccer. Of course, he did demonstrate that we should be teaching our players to come straight on when shooting...all the time. It was very disappointing but some of the other people in the class were very impressive and I enjoyed the time greatly. I learned a lot from watching them and "borrowing" their ideas and practice tactics than anything else.

And for the person to say that coaching licenses are like degrees, you clearly aren't a hiring manager. When applying for a job, the degree is very, very far down on the list as long as they have the minimum; experience and proof of proficiency are the deciding factors, along with references and the interview. I personally don't care if a person has a degree was a PAC 12 school, Ivy League or whatever, as long as they have the minimum and the other aspects of the interview go very well.

The advice for selecting a coach should be based on their style, their beliefs in how to coach, teach and lead and their commitment level. They should be evaluated on the field. And, of course, these need to fit with the club. But, when a club like VT doesn't have a style, doesn't have leadership and can't organize a pot-luck, the decisions are just baseless.

Well actually I am a hiring manager and YOU are completely wrong. A Degree is absolutely important in hiring. Near the top. Unless of course you are not hiring professionals. Maybe you are a hiring manager at a lower tier company or industry. Come on, man, that was just dumb.

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You have no idea what you are talking about do you? Its pretty clear you know nothing about coaching or the licenses.

How do I know?

1. You said GO is a good coach

2. College degree is like a Coaching license? Are you kidding me?

- You can get a high US coaching license for playing on a high level. Makes sense right? You get a certification for COACHING kids, because you can PLAY with adults FYI they don't do that with any where else...

"A credential immediately tells you how much that person has to know to achieve that level"

Has to know? I was an A student all into high school. Does this mean I'd be a good middle school teacher?


Person A: A License

COaching Experience:

- Assistant on 2 12 year old 2nd division teams.


Person B: No license

- 10 years of coaching from Rec to premier division with state runner ups in boys and girls


Heaven forbid there isn't a license, so idiots like you can't decide who is the best coach?!

Dude, you clearly didn't read my post very closely. I did not say that a degree is equitable to a coaching license. I made an analogy to explain a point that a license, does in fact, mean something. And it does. It is part of the equation when looking at a coach. Is it everything, no. Does it mean something, yes.

I know smart, quality coaches that didn't pass the C license test. So if a coach has that license, I know right off the bat they do know a little something about soccer. That's all I'm saying.

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I second the first part. The 'A' license coach that taught my 'D' class was a very nice guy but couldn't demonstrate tying shoes let alone soccer. Of course, he did demonstrate that we should be teaching our players to come straight on when shooting...all the time. It was very disappointing but some of the other people in the class were very impressive and I enjoyed the time greatly. I learned a lot from watching them and "borrowing" their ideas and practice tactics than anything else.

And for the person to say that coaching licenses are like degrees, you clearly aren't a hiring manager. When applying for a job, the degree is very, very far down on the list as long as they have the minimum; experience and proof of proficiency are the deciding factors, along with references and the interview. I personally don't care if a person has a degree was a PAC 12 school, Ivy League or whatever, as long as they have the minimum and the other aspects of the interview go very well.

The advice for selecting a coach should be based on their style, their beliefs in how to coach, teach and lead and their commitment level. They should be evaluated on the field. And, of course, these need to fit with the club. But, when a club like VT doesn't have a style, doesn't have leadership and can't organize a pot-luck, the decisions are just baseless.

We can't help you that you are a supervisor at Walmart. Maybe you should have gone to school.

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Love John Bain!
I stole this from the Timbers Academy Website- apparently he decided to get a license.

John Bain – Assistant Coach, U-18s

Current Westside Timbers Coaching Director
USSF B License
Former professional player, including 5 seasons with Portland Timbers in the NASL
Former player coach of APSL Portland Timbers
Former Assistant Coach of University of Portland
Former Coach of CISL Portland Pride

Don't forget he also played in the EPL....... BEFORE THE EPL EXISTED!

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Well actually I am a hiring manager and YOU are completely wrong. A Degree is absolutely important in hiring. Near the top. Unless of course you are not hiring professionals. Maybe you are a hiring manager at a lower tier company or industry. Come on, man, that was just dumb.

I work at a very large company in Portland and am a hiring manager. Like the original poster said, a degree just keeps your resume from hitting the circular file. After that, nobody cares. It's what results you can show over the course of your career that matters.

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Well actually I am a hiring manager and YOU are completely wrong. A Degree is absolutely important in hiring. Near the top. Unless of course you are not hiring professionals. Maybe you are a hiring manager at a lower tier company or industry. Come on, man, that was just dumb.

Are you freak'n serious? You put more emphasis on degree than the other things I mentioned? If so, I feel sorry for you and, I don't HIRE at anywhere near a small company. Our revenues are measured in a B not a T. I am sorry if you feel inadequate.

I never said a degree wasn't important, I said as long as they have the minimum degree there are many, many other items that are more important. If you have trouble with this, let me know and I will put it in simpler terms. I won't argue over your poor decision making at your company, just make sure and don't put too much effort into it when I interview you.

The point of the post was about putting too much emphasis on coaching licenses. They should be a small, very small indicator as to whether a coach should be selected or a parent should choose that particular team/club. My statement is still true that a license doesn't make a coach as I have achieved multiple licenses and they certainly don't make a coach more qualified but they can be an indicator. I have seen many coaches with licenses who are fantastic and I have also seen those with an A license who are absolutely terrible and my daughter wouldn't play for them if this was in Stevenson and the only team.

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Are you freak'n serious? You put more emphasis on degree than the other things I mentioned? If so, I feel sorry for you and, I don't HIRE at anywhere near a small company. Our revenues are measured in a B not a T. I am sorry if you feel inadequate.

I never said a degree wasn't important, I said as long as they have the minimum degree there are many, many other items that are more important. If you have trouble with this, let me know and I will put it in simpler terms. I won't argue over your poor decision making at your company, just make sure and don't put too much effort into it when I interview you.

The point of the post was about putting too much emphasis on coaching licenses. They should be a small, very small indicator as to whether a coach should be selected or a parent should choose that particular team/club. My statement is still true that a license doesn't make a coach as I have achieved multiple licenses and they certainly don't make a coach more qualified but they can be an indicator. I have seen many coaches with licenses who are fantastic and I have also seen those with an A license who are absolutely terrible and my daughter wouldn't play for them if this was in Stevenson and the only team.

You two should both take it easy. No one cares about how big your company (or dick) is. Can't believe what you read here sometimes...

The sad fact is that most of us have very little choice about who coaches our kids. On average, there might be 2 good teams within driving distance. You have to choose between those teams based on a variety of factors, and coaching license is one of those, but not as high as which team will have better players, how good is the club support, what is the record of that coach, how much does the club cost, etc.

Not many of us had the luxury of a lot of good choices. We are not in Seattle or even Portland.