VUSA/WSA Merger

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Info about coaches?

WSA has posted who the coaches are for next season http://www.wsasoccer.net/teams/index_E.html

I cant find the same for VUSA. Can someone help? Looking for U12 or possibly U13 boys choices

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Big Vic at WSA

WSA has posted who the coaches are for next season http://www.wsasoccer.net/teams/index_E.html

I cant find the same for VUSA. Can someone help? Looking for U12 or possibly U13 boys choices

For you VG fans: I noticed the girls are listed as

Dan Macaya – Premier A team, “Liberty”

Max von Rabenau – Premier B team “Freedom”

Brian Dayley – Select team “Thrashers”

Victor Garcette – Premier team


Looks like some heavy neogtiation took place to avoid VG's team to get a "Premier C" next to it!!!

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For you VG fans: I noticed the girls are listed as

Dan Macaya – Premier A team, “Liberty”

Max von Rabenau – Premier B team “Freedom”

Brian Dayley – Select team “Thrashers”

Victor Garcette – Premier team


Looks like some heavy neogtiation took place to avoid VG's team to get a "Premier C" next to it!!!

Thats funny. Surprised it does not say "The Premier" team. : )

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If anyone honestly thinks there are enough "premier level" U13 girls in SW Washington to fill rosters on 3 teams at WSA, 2 teams at VUSA and 1 team at FCSC they should get a grip on reality. There might be enough for 2 true "premier level" (ie top half of OPL Premier or RCL1) teams. The rest will just be expensive select teams...

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If anyone honestly thinks there are enough "premier level" U13 girls in SW Washington to fill rosters on 3 teams at WSA, 2 teams at VUSA and 1 team at FCSC they should get a grip on reality. There might be enough for 2 true "premier level" (ie top half of OPL Premier or RCL1) teams. The rest will just be expensive select teams...

Reminds me of the European airline commercial where the guy in row 4---seated just behind the first class-coach divider curtain---was complaining to the steward that he paid for a first class seat. So the steward just detached teh curtain from in front of him and tacked it up in the row behind him. "There Now. You're in First!"

"There now. You're playing Premiere Soccer!"

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expensive select teams...

I agree ... However, this is not a problem solely in Vancouver, WA. Every locale has this issue and it is relative to the overall competition level in each locale.

Regarding Cost:
I'm really curious as to the true costs of a competitive select level team?
Considering that most premier fees are all inclusive (minus uniforms and summer tournaments) Select fees are pretty much ala cart. The last time I ran the numbers competitive select total costs were only marginally less than Premier. That then invites the debate regarding "value" when considering professional coaching, turf access and turf amount etc. This topic is probably best suited for a seperate post!

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too funny

Reminds me of the European airline commercial where the guy in row 4---seated just behind the first class-coach divider curtain---was complaining to the steward that he paid for a first class seat. So the steward just detached teh curtain from in front of him and tacked it up in the row behind him. "There Now. You're in First!"

"There now. You're playing Premiere Soccer!"

More like FCSC ... "there now. you're playing premier soccer!"
Pay $1000+ but get nothing more then a select team .....

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I've been watching this thread (and scfc) for some time now. I can tell by the typing the same people bitching over and over about everything.

What cracks me up the most is you all hate SCFC so much, their teams (and players) all suck, as well as their coaches and claim they over pay for what the get. Then you state that they should just fold, close their doors, fire all the losers, and the players migrate to WSA/VUSA where the best coaches are. They would still be the worst players, and now pay the same or even more to join your club.

Are you an administrator of either WSA or VUSA ? Cause why else would you want these horrible players in your club and your players teams ?

If not, One of them might just be better then your kid and place them on the bench.

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Regarding Cost:
I'm really curious as to the true costs of a competitive select level team?
Considering that most premier fees are all inclusive (minus uniforms and summer tournaments) Select fees are pretty much ala cart. The last time I ran the numbers competitive select total costs were only marginally less than Premier. That then invites the debate regarding "value" when considering professional coaching, turf access and turf amount etc. This topic is probably best suited for a seperate post!

We played Premiere, and then Select VUSA, and then Select Pacific. Both Select programs were FAR cheaper than premiere. Pacific was the cheapest. VUSA charged about $150 more. Because there is no overhead at Pacific (No paid Doc, no paid administrator, no paid trainers, no paid coaches), they were cheap. Their team still played Div 1 OPL. In contrast, WSA's Premiere teams, played Div 2 and Div 3.

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Premier vs Select - Hard to quantify

If anyone honestly thinks there are enough "premier level" U13 girls in SW Washington to fill rosters on 3 teams at WSA, 2 teams at VUSA and 1 team at FCSC they should get a grip on reality. There might be enough for 2 true "premier level" (ie top half of OPL Premier or RCL1) teams. The rest will just be expensive select teams...

I think in general terms you are absolutely correct. 6 premier teams U13 girls in SW Washington is probably not realistic. But it's very hard to quantify what a Premier team is. I guess if I had to put a criteria to it I would say if your team can actually compete (and compete well) in OPL Premier or Division 1 or RCL Div 1, Div 2, or Div 3, you are actually a true premier team. Anything less, and you are probably talking about more of a Select team. But that's just my opinion.

The thing that muddies the water is that the 'Oregon Premier League' typically runs with a Premier, Div 1, Div 2, Div 3 in the Fall. And RCL can run as deep as Div 5 (I have even seen more at the younger ages). But regardless of what division you are in, the OPL and RCL are considered 'Premier' organizations. So if all 6 of those teams mentioned above can compete somewhere in the OPL or RCL (which they do), people have an argument that they are truly premier, albeit sometimes Premier B, and C. But the reality is that some Select teams can compete in the lower divisions of OPL and RCL, and do in some cases. I think you will find more select teams playing in the PML or elsewhere though.

BTW, I think this is another argument for the merger between VUSA/WSA. Assuming the merger goes through, the top 2 teams in each age group can feel pretty good about being called a Premier A and Premier B team. Any team beyond that is probably going to be called a Select team. And truly, that's the way it should be.

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We played Premiere, and then Select VUSA, and then Select Pacific. Both Select programs were FAR cheaper than premiere. Pacific was the cheapest. VUSA charged about $150 more. Because there is no overhead at Pacific (No paid Doc, no paid administrator, no paid trainers, no paid coaches), they were cheap. Their team still played Div 1 OPL. In contrast, WSA's Premiere teams, played Div 2 and Div 3.

Not diss'ing on your team.
I think select is less expensive on avereage. When comparing an average select team to an average premeir team. However, my question is a highly competitive select team that wanted to do roughly the same # of travel tournaments, the same # of days training of lighted turf, use of clubs keeper training, use of external trainers would the ala cart costs approach that of a premier team? Be the same? Be more? Sure the select team probably doesn't have the same overhead figure i.e. DOC & Coaches Salary but do the ineffeciencies of paying ala cart vs in a prmier fee bring this select teams costs closer to premeir fees?
I so often hear people just compare base club fees and make the assumption that premier is 8 to 10 times more expensive when in reality when all the ala cart costs are figured in for select the figure is more like 1,5 times.

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I've been watching this thread (and scfc) for some time now. I can tell by the typing the same people bitching over and over about everything.

What cracks me up the most is you all hate SCFC so much, their teams (and players) all suck, as well as their coaches and claim they over pay for what the get. Then you state that they should just fold, close their doors, fire all the losers, and the players migrate to WSA/VUSA where the best coaches are. They would still be the worst players, and now pay the same or even more to join your club.

Are you an administrator of either WSA or VUSA ? Cause why else would you want these horrible players in your club and your players teams ?

If not, One of them might just be better then your kid and place them on the bench.

I have no "hatred" for FCSC. It is actually my neighborhood club and where my daughter started playing soccer. The problem with FCSC is that the club is too small to support a premier program. What they need to do is focus on growing the rec side of the club, join the Pacific FC alliance for select play and then encourage the very best players to tryout for Vancouver United's premier teams. The best players only get better if they are playing with a team full of top players against other teams full of top players. Divide up the best players among 2 or 3 teams and everybody's development is slowed.

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Not diss'ing on your team.
I think select is less expensive on avereage. When comparing an average select team to an average premeir team. However, my question is a highly competitive select team that wanted to do roughly the same # of travel tournaments, the same # of days training of lighted turf, use of clubs keeper training, use of external trainers would the ala cart costs approach that of a premier team? Be the same? Be more? Sure the select team probably doesn't have the same overhead figure i.e. DOC & Coaches Salary but do the ineffeciencies of paying ala cart vs in a prmier fee bring this select teams costs closer to premeir fees?
I so often hear people just compare base club fees and make the assumption that premier is 8 to 10 times more expensive when in reality when all the ala cart costs are figured in for select the figure is more like 1,5 times.

No worries. So happy where we are -- just want to share.

We played $415 total. This included our league fee for fall and spring, our club fee, 5 tournaments, and 10 sessions of shared turf in the winter. Uniforms were on top of that amount, but they would be above the posted amount at all clubs.

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That is cheap no matter how you slice it

No worries. So happy where we are -- just want to share.

We played $415 total. This included our league fee for fall and spring, our club fee, 5 tournaments, and 10 sessions of shared turf in the winter. Uniforms were on top of that amount, but they would be above the posted amount at all clubs.

If your kid plays OPL Div 1, plays both fall and spring, plays in 5 tourneys, and gets 10 sessions of turf time for $415, that is cheap no matter how you slice it. Good for you.

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Usually, the biggest expenses are the coaches fees and turf fees. Of course any far away travel can really increase the costs.

Some of the smaller clubs with volunteer coaches, can offer great value.....

We have done both (premiere, volunteer)- really depends on the coach and the player's goals.