VUSA/WSA Merger

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yes

mad ..... no. Sorry if the word **** offended you that you felt you had to post. But thank you.

You are mad, don't try to hide it. Its either that or you never learned how to speak. Thank you.

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HA!!!!! Regardless of the validity in this....which I seriously doubt because there is ALOT of "thus allowing" "by proxy" "in place of" going on in this. The state does NOT (do nothing) in these situations.

This is also pointing out that state associations DO NOT side with a coach over the club because of the mess it will cause when another idiot or the same idiot tries to do it again. The state cannot do nothing because the decision effects more than one district.

I also want to point out the most important point.

You ended with "it seems like a done deal".......yes to ignorant parents it does for the next week or so but you and I both know there is a fundamental issue that is lingering which cannot be solved appropriately to appease your parent group..................your options with this issue are unacceptable and you know this.......................

What are you talking about? You lost me what options?

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HA!!!!! Regardless of the validity in this....which I seriously doubt because there is ALOT of "thus allowing" "by proxy" "in place of" going on in this. The state does NOT (do nothing) in these situations.

This is also pointing out that state associations DO NOT side with a coach over the club because of the mess it will cause when another idiot or the same idiot tries to do it again. The state cannot do nothing because the decision effects more than one district.

I also want to point out the most important point.

You ended with "it seems like a done deal".......yes to ignorant parents it does for the next week or so but you and I both know there is a fundamental issue that is lingering which cannot be solved appropriately to appease your parent group..................your options with this issue are unacceptable and you know this.......................

oh by the way ... you are giving way to much credit to WYS here ... they want nothing to do with this and are more than happy to let the local association deal with this.
You fail to recognize the only people who care about this are you and your friends. Other than that life goes on and Terry could care less about this ...

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oh by the way ... you are giving way to much credit to WYS here ... they want nothing to do with this and are more than happy to let the local association deal with this.
You fail to recognize the only people who care about this are you and your friends. Other than that life goes on and Terry could care less about this ...

You and Terry go way back eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You are losing me in all this "I speak for Terry".

And I cannot wait for you to find out how wrong you are.

I would say you care about this as well, judging by all the lies you put forth. It doesn't make it anymore true.

Face it, either your Victor would be the first to have an important rule such as this to be "ignored" as you put it or you are really hoping the state gets back to you with an answer you are now making up to help keep your spirits high.

Fun question for you? If this is as you put it, FCSC would of had to do something horrendous to even consider your feeble appeal to break rules....firing a guy who informed them he planned a coo to leave at the end of the year. This is taking into account the club very nearly ruined their reputation backing him through many issues isn't enough to even get a phone call let alone let them hijack a team to WSA who cares little about the quality of their coaches.

You say you spout "facts" clearly you missed a few.

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D5 State Rep has discussed with Terry Fisher (CEO of WYS). Terry has decided to not force the rule (do nothing) thus allowing the Association to enforce if they choose. The Association has sided with the team and coach thus FCSC has no standing.
If you knew anything on how WYS works you would know there is a hierarchy. The state does not back "clubs". They have Regions that interface with Associations that deal with "clubs".
If the Association is not enforcing the rule then it seems like a done deal ..... Victor and team are free to go wherever they want.

How does WA work? Well that is an easy one. They support and promote only the RCL clubs. And that means CLUBS of the RCL first, second, third, and last. Beyond that it is anyone's guess.

So, since this involves FCSC and WSA, neither of which are RCL clubs, WYS probably doesn't give a rat's ass!

Now, since they are both OPL, and they like to make up the rules as they go along, again it is anyone's guess.

Bottom line........it's anyone's guess!

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Got you

What are you talking about? You lost me what options?

You are old Nemesis 99 parent....don't worry, it will be made clear to you in the next 1-2 weeks when you are forced to accept the "plan". Its ok, you guys are used to hearing one way. You should have never left but I'm glad you're gone. Specifically

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How does WA work? Well that is an easy one. They support and promote only the RCL clubs. And that means CLUBS of the RCL first, second, third, and last. Beyond that it is anyone's guess.

So, since this involves FCSC and WSA, neither of which are RCL clubs, WYS probably doesn't give a rat's ass!

Now, since they are both OPL, and they like to make up the rules as they go along, again it is anyone's guess.

Bottom line........it's anyone's guess!

I'll chime in because this guy is way off

WYS covers the a big portion of youth soccer including affiliated with FCSC so you are wrong there. They are clearly associated with WSA and it isn't habit for them to promote breaking a rule.

WSA is an RCL club guy...........although they can't fuel a team in division one or two for that matter, they are they only other RCL club in that area....why do you think that team left?

Does that answer your first claim?

Now to your 2nd. OPL has clear rules against club hopping and both clubs have teams in the OPL. I would expect "NOT FACT" that they would be against taking a FCSC team and xferring ownership to WSA and have everything peachy keen. Isn't fair to the other teams in the league along with the idea OPl would promote that kind of crap. Just saying

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You are mad, don't try to hide it. Its either that or you never learned how to speak. Thank you.

Juvinile ...... Grow up.

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I'll chime in because this guy is way off

WYS covers the a big portion of youth soccer including affiliated with FCSC so you are wrong there. They are clearly associated with WSA and it isn't habit for them to promote breaking a rule.

WSA is an RCL club guy...........although they can't fuel a team in division one or two for that matter, they are they only other RCL club in that area....why do you think that team left?

Does that answer your first claim?

Now to your 2nd. OPL has clear rules against club hopping and both clubs have teams in the OPL. I would expect "NOT FACT" that they would be against taking a FCSC team and xferring ownership to WSA and have everything peachy keen. Isn't fair to the other teams in the league along with the idea OPl would promote that kind of crap. Just saying

Poster of your quote here......how much do you really realize about WYS and the state of WA soccer? Go talk with any club that is not RCL. Go to the WPS message boards. You will then see how little you understand. WYS has their own problems that equal, but are different from OR. Ask about where the district leagues went.......they disappeared. WYS gave total control to RCL and the big clubs. Do you understand what the "Regional" part of RCL and the charters they tried to slam down the throats of the associations and smaller clubs meant. You just invalidated any of your statements by your lack of understanding of WYS and the state of WA soccer. Yes, the WYS and RCL have the higher quality soccer. But the PSPL and US Club Soccer exist in WA because WYS doesn't give a hoot about any club or team that is not RCL. If you really know WYS and WA soccer, you can't deny any statement above.

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I'll chime in because this guy is way off

WYS covers the a big portion of youth soccer including affiliated with FCSC so you are wrong there. They are clearly associated with WSA and it isn't habit for them to promote breaking a rule.

WSA is an RCL club guy...........although they can't fuel a team in division one or two for that matter, they are they only other RCL club in that area....why do you think that team left?

Does that answer your first claim?

Now to your 2nd. OPL has clear rules against club hopping and both clubs have teams in the OPL. I would expect "NOT FACT" that they would be against taking a FCSC team and xferring ownership to WSA and have everything peachy keen. Isn't fair to the other teams in the league along with the idea OPl would promote that kind of crap. Just saying

And sorry, this should have been in a single post. As for #2, yes OPL has clear rules on this. But they remove rules, change rules, and remove posted statements at will based on what serves the cabal best. Isn't the rumor that ESUFC is trying to seduce WSA if the VUSA/WSA merger fails? Hmmm, has it not been shown that the leader of ESUFC and Timbers has a propensity to walk both sides of the line?

So, maybe OPL allows it, maybe they stick to their "currently" published rules.

Maybe WYS sticks to prior rulings, maybe WSA is so far below their interests that they don't even act or care.

As I said.......who knows what will happen. It's a crapshoot I am not willing to bet on. Just let it play out. And no result from either WYS or OPL will surprise me.

Way off? Spot on.

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Chew on this ....

You and Terry go way back eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You are losing me in all this "I speak for Terry".

And I cannot wait for you to find out how wrong you are.

I would say you care about this as well, judging by all the lies you put forth. It doesn't make it anymore true.

Face it, either your Victor would be the first to have an important rule such as this to be "ignored" as you put it or you are really hoping the state gets back to you with an answer you are now making up to help keep your spirits high.

Fun question for you? If this is as you put it, FCSC would of had to do something horrendous to even consider your feeble appeal to break rules....firing a guy who informed them he planned a coo to leave at the end of the year. This is taking into account the club very nearly ruined their reputation backing him through many issues isn't enough to even get a phone call let alone let them hijack a team to WSA who cares little about the quality of their coaches.

You say you spout "facts" clearly you missed a few.

I don't know about way back but yes a few years. I find Terry to be a very disinterested leader. One who would not want to be bothered by SW WA issues. After SW WA failed to help him implement his vision of "Seamless soccer" ... elimination of the Regional Board, a single Association with a single RCL club etc. he pretty much washed his hands of SW WA. If it wasn't for our D5 State Rep he would just as well give us to OR except for the revenue part. Anyway back to the point .... I will address the issues and leave out the opinion and name calling as the previous poster.

1) WYS rarely involves itself in issues like this. They push decisions down to Regions and Associations to deal with local club / coach / team issues. In this case Terry was notified of the issue by the D5 State Rep and supports the local decision. (BTW: Terry holds SC in contempt. Their issues go back to when SC wanted to leave CYSF to join ECYSA and derail Terry's seamless soccer plans. Not to mention their recent support for US Club Soccer. Things were said and Terry was furious with SC - the reason I mention this is Terry would not help SC)
2) Southwest Washington Youth Soccer Association met with the FCSC 99 team and heard their grievences. The D5 State Rep was present and sided with the Association. They were very sympathetic to the players / team issues and supported their release from FCSC and they are free to move to another club. BTW- Not a single representative from SC was there to defend their actions.
3) Technically Victor became a free agent at the point in time FCSC fired him. He is free to coach whever he would like. BTW: the state rule does not adress this issue specifically and is a technical loophole for a coach to coach at the same age/gender at a different club.
4) The team and coach approached WSA with a request to join the club and play in the RCL
5) WSA agreed only after verifying it was acceptable with appropriate authorities
6) Victor will coach at WSA
7) The team will go through tryouts and reform with Victor (assuming the players return?)
8) Victor will not be taking over any existing WSA teams. Existing WSA teams will continue to play in the OPL

What I don't know is if there have been any very recent developments in terms of appeals or legal action by SC. This would only be "in process" and does not change 1-7 above at this time.

Opinion: An appeal to who? SC does not have the support of the Association / Region Rep / CEO of WYS. Legal Action? on what grounds? SC probably has more to hide from than they care to make public through any kind of legal action.
Opinion: WYS and RCL Rules are nothing more than guidelines. They bend them to fit whatever end they support.
Opinion: SWYSA / D5 Rep care about the kids. They have made their decisions based on that. They left their personal agendas regarding Victor out of the equation and basically support the parents and players choice of coach. (Hmmm maybe some people on this blog should do the same?)

I know some of you will find this hard to swallow. Read the rule book all you want but I'm telling ya it doesn't apply in this case for the reasons mentioned above. At this point in time Victor is free to coach GU13 next year at WSA and his entire team is free to go through WSA trouts and rejoin him.
Will it happen is something time will tell and you all can debate that till your face is blue.

Fire away.

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I will agree

And sorry, this should have been in a single post. As for #2, yes OPL has clear rules on this. But they remove rules, change rules, and remove posted statements at will based on what serves the cabal best. Isn't the rumor that ESUFC is trying to seduce WSA if the VUSA/WSA merger fails? Hmmm, has it not been shown that the leader of ESUFC and Timbers has a propensity to walk both sides of the line?

So, maybe OPL allows it, maybe they stick to their "currently" published rules.

Maybe WYS sticks to prior rulings, maybe WSA is so far below their interests that they don't even act or care.

As I said.......who knows what will happen. It's a crapshoot I am not willing to bet on. Just let it play out. And no result from either WYS or OPL will surprise me.

Way off? Spot on.

Besides the point that you said WSA isn't an RCl club I would say I ultimately agree. OPL does tend to change things which isn't the best thing coming from a league.

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WSA has team's in Div 1/2

I'll chime in because this guy is way off

WYS covers the a big portion of youth soccer including affiliated with FCSC so you are wrong there. They are clearly associated with WSA and it isn't habit for them to promote breaking a rule.

WSA is an RCL club guy...........although they can't fuel a team in division one or two for that matter, they are they only other RCL club in that area....why do you think that team left?

Does that answer your first claim?

Now to your 2nd. OPL has clear rules against club hopping and both clubs have teams in the OPL. I would expect "NOT FACT" that they would be against taking a FCSC team and xferring ownership to WSA and have everything peachy keen. Isn't fair to the other teams in the league along with the idea OPl would promote that kind of crap. Just saying

WSA has U13 Boys Blazers in Div 2 (this team has moved between 1 and 2), U14 Boys Pilots in Div 2, U15 Boys Arsenal going in to Div 2, and last year's U17 Juventus. The girls U13 Pride was in Div 2 but decided to play OPL. I'm not even in your conversation on this whole FCSC thing but makes me wonder if anything you have to say is true if you publish random comments w/o substance or knowledge.

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Well said

I don't know about way back but yes a few years. I find Terry to be a very disinterested leader. One who would not want to be bothered by SW WA issues. After SW WA failed to help him implement his vision of "Seamless soccer" ... elimination of the Regional Board, a single Association with a single RCL club etc. he pretty much washed his hands of SW WA. If it wasn't for our D5 State Rep he would just as well give us to OR except for the revenue part. Anyway back to the point .... I will address the issues and leave out the opinion and name calling as the previous poster.

1) WYS rarely involves itself in issues like this. They push decisions down to Regions and Associations to deal with local club / coach / team issues. In this case Terry was notified of the issue by the D5 State Rep and supports the local decision. (BTW: Terry holds SC in contempt. Their issues go back to when SC wanted to leave CYSF to join ECYSA and derail Terry's seamless soccer plans. Not to mention their recent support for US Club Soccer. Things were said and Terry was furious with SC - the reason I mention this is Terry would not help SC)
2) Southwest Washington Youth Soccer Association met with the FCSC 99 team and heard their grievences. The D5 State Rep was present and sided with the Association. They were very sympathetic to the players / team issues and supported their release from FCSC and they are free to move to another club. BTW- Not a single representative from SC was there to defend their actions.
3) Technically Victor became a free agent at the point in time FCSC fired him. He is free to coach whever he would like. BTW: the state rule does not adress this issue specifically and is a technical loophole for a coach to coach at the same age/gender at a different club.
4) The team and coach approached WSA with a request to join the club and play in the RCL
5) WSA agreed only after verifying it was acceptable with appropriate authorities
6) Victor will coach at WSA
7) The team will go through tryouts and reform with Victor (assuming the players return?)
8) Victor will not be taking over any existing WSA teams. Existing WSA teams will continue to play in the OPL

What I don't know is if there have been any very recent developments in terms of appeals or legal action by SC. This would only be "in process" and does not change 1-7 above at this time.

Opinion: An appeal to who? SC does not have the support of the Association / Region Rep / CEO of WYS. Legal Action? on what grounds? SC probably has more to hide from than they care to make public through any kind of legal action.
Opinion: WYS and RCL Rules are nothing more than guidelines. They bend them to fit whatever end they support.
Opinion: SWYSA / D5 Rep care about the kids. They have made their decisions based on that. They left their personal agendas regarding Victor out of the equation and basically support the parents and players choice of coach. (Hmmm maybe some people on this blog should do the same?)

I know some of you will find this hard to swallow. Read the rule book all you want but I'm telling ya it doesn't apply in this case for the reasons mentioned above. At this point in time Victor is free to coach GU13 next year at WSA and his entire team is free to go through WSA trouts and rejoin him.
Will it happen is something time will tell and you all can debate that till your face is blue.

Fire away.

I really have no stake in this FCSC debate (I am more interested in the VUSA/WSA merger), but your arguments are better. I have declared you the winner. Congratulations on your victory.

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I really have no stake in this FCSC debate (I am more interested in the VUSA/WSA merger), but your arguments are better. I have declared you the winner. Congratulations on your victory.

I agree...great argument....

Does Gary know that this will be a deal killer in the merger?

Is there a chance the Gary doesn't care if the merger happens?

Is he just not smart enough to know that parents DO NOT want their child anywhere near Victor for appropriate reasons?

Forget the WYS rules....this guy shouldn't be coaching kids let alone girls!