VUSA/WSA Merger

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One more time we DON'T care how screwed up you are in Vantucky. We have our own problems and just don't care to have the top of our state page dominated by a bunch of whiners who tolerate a biting coach and gutless DOC's.

Shut your face...YOU LOVE IT! :)

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What would be the point of that? Are you building little kingdoms? My impression was our focus was the kids. Building the best teams so the kids can develop and grow to their ultimate potential. I just don't get how a club to club showdown would create any value at all. Perhaps for parent bragging rights, but c'mon now if you are basing your ego on "my youth soccer club" vs "Your youth soccer club" you are truly pathetic.

Perhaps I didn't state the idea clearly enough. The point would be to show that no one club is the "best" club overall, regardless of how much the parents like to think that the club they happened to select must be the best.

It is all about developing the best players, which means putting them on teams with other "best" players and having them play against teams with still more "best" players. The key is to find the team with the right coach and the right group of players at your particular age at whatever club that will give your child the best chance to become the best he/she can be.

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What would be the point of that? Are you building little kingdoms? My impression was our focus was the kids. Building the best teams so the kids can develop and grow to their ultimate potential. I just don't get how a club to club showdown would create any value at all. Perhaps for parent bragging rights, but c'mon now if you are basing your ego on "my youth soccer club" vs "Your youth soccer club" you are truly pathetic.

A rational person, not completely understanding the propositional content of a particular posting, would likely ask for clarification. The typical "poster" on this board will simply write a bunch of nonsense suggesting that they can't even begin to understand...

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Perhaps I didn't state the idea clearly enough. The point would be to show that no one club is the "best" club overall, regardless of how much the parents like to think that the club they happened to select must be the best.

It is all about developing the best players, which means putting them on teams with other "best" players and having them play against teams with still more "best" players. The key is to find the team with the right coach and the right group of players at your particular age at whatever club that will give your child the best chance to become the best he/she can be.

Amen .....
It's about #1) My player and their development and goal attainment. #2) Quality Coach & training #3) The team and their level of play etc.
The club only matters in that they provide an appropriate league and training facilities.

To argue one club is better than another is stupid. Ask yourself if your player is getting everything they need. If so then stay put this is a good club for you. If not ... move to a better environment.

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Amen .....
It's about #1) My player and their development and goal attainment. #2) Quality Coach & training #3) The team and their level of play etc.
The club only matters in that they provide an appropriate league and training facilities.

To argue one club is better than another is stupid. Ask yourself if your player is getting everything they need. If so then stay put this is a good club for you. If not ... move to a better environment.

Does everyone know what environment is the best?

when looking at a club look at these things:

what extra opportunities does my daughter have besides her team? Training one year down, a year up, two or three years up?
most clubs don't even have these opportunities mainly because coaches hoard players.

Fields for training and games.

Coaching credentials/playing experience

at younger ages does your coach move players around? because most don't....

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I believe THUSC Zirconium made it to the semi's of NWCL and not VUSA. I also believe WUSC Arsenal and THUSC Onyx not only ran with the best WA has to offer but beat them as well. Onyx also did better then any WA team at Surf Cup.

Glad that VUSA has their sights set on beating the Seattle teams. Oregon on the other hand has their sights much, much higher.

Are you retarded? Do you really think that Oregon is much higher then Washington girls teams?????

You can't be that stupid.

Find ONE team GU-14 and above in Oregon that is better than top 3 of Washington. I really want to hear this one..........

Don't worry I'll wait......

Don't check NWCL because the top WA girls teams don't play NWCL U-14 above.......they already are going to surf and when no oregon team besides Onyx got out of group, best of WA realized this was a waste.....

When all of Washington in one group has 12-14 pts and the top team in the other group (all of oregon) doesnt have one win but goes to semi's...... don't stand behind that.

Still waiting..........

Don't check surf because Oregon teams don't get in to the top flights. I should point out that Washington has 2-3 teams in every age group at Surf.............................................. ...............how many does Oregon have?


still waiting...........


Don't check FarWest Regionals because Oregon teams don't even make it out of group

Still waiting............

Don't check ODP because with only 2 regional hold overs for 97 and 98 vs. Washington's 7.......

still waiting.............

Don't check RCL being top 5 leagues in the nation while OPL doesn't even register...............

still waiting..............

Its ok I'll wait for you to find something besides Onyx who has people driving 80 minutes to practice.....don't worry when they fall behind as all Oregon teams do, you will have noone to stand behind when spouting your nonsense about Oregon being MUCH HIGHER. HAHAHHAH

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Are you retarded? Do you really think that Oregon is much higher then Washington girls teams?????

You can't be that stupid.

Find ONE team GU-14 and above in Oregon that is better than top 3 of Washington. I really want to hear this one..........

Don't worry I'll wait......

Don't check NWCL because the top WA girls teams don't play NWCL U-14 above.......they already are going to surf and when no oregon team besides Onyx got out of group, best of WA realized this was a waste.....

When all of Washington in one group has 12-14 pts and the top team in the other group (all of oregon) doesnt have one win but goes to semi's...... don't stand behind that.

Still waiting..........

Don't check surf because Oregon teams don't get in to the top flights. I should point out that Washington has 2-3 teams in every age group at Surf.............................................. ...............how many does Oregon have?


still waiting...........


Don't check FarWest Regionals because Oregon teams don't even make it out of group

Still waiting............

Don't check ODP because with only 2 regional hold overs for 97 and 98 vs. Washington's 7.......

still waiting.............

Don't check RCL being top 5 leagues in the nation while OPL doesn't even register...............

still waiting..............

Its ok I'll wait for you to find something besides Onyx who has people driving 80 minutes to practice.....don't worry when they fall behind as all Oregon teams do, you will have noone to stand behind when spouting your nonsense about Oregon being MUCH HIGHER. HAHAHHAH

WOW! Dude, chill out it is youth soccer. I know its advanced competition, but it is still YOUTH soccer. Washington soccer is clearly stronger, but mainly due to population in the Seattle King Co. area. Crossfire and some of the other big clubs have up to 7000 advanced competition players, does Poertland even have 7000 advanced competition players at all clubs combined? It's just numbers man.

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Wrong again

WOW! Dude, chill out it is youth soccer. I know its advanced competition, but it is still YOUTH soccer. Washington soccer is clearly stronger, but mainly due to population in the Seattle King Co. area. Crossfire and some of the other big clubs have up to 7000 advanced competition players, does Poertland even have 7000 advanced competition players at all clubs combined? It's just numbers man.

Its not just numbers man,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,can you be wrong more?

It's coaching, their coaching staff dwarfs Oregon. That might be a numbers thing but when you pay coaches 15k per team vs. a measly 3k per team in Oregon, you are going to get the professional coaches. How many kids in Oregon have a coach who has a full time job probably the same ratio as kids at Crossfire have coaches who don't do anything but coach soccer.

Its facilities, Turf, fields and money> Better facilities = better programs = better development.

Its structure, Its a fundamental difference between soccer organizations like washington premier vs. a THUSC. Professional programs run by administrators who actually do this for a living.

Its competence: WA ODP, RCL, run by professionals who know what works. Compared to a poor Oregon girls ODP program and a OPL director Angela who has no knowledge of what she is doing.

It's not numbers, its all of the above.

Oregon has 20+ clubs in the PDX area. Inconsistent coaches, mom and pop programs, poaching to go 10 miles away, its fail.

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Its competence: WA ODP, RCL, run by professionals who know what works. Compared to a poor Oregon girls ODP program and a OPL director Angela who has no knowledge of what she is doing.

Yet if you were from VUSA, WSA, or FCSC I bet you tried out for Oregon ODP. Let's face it, WA is overall stronger but VUSA, WSA, and FCSC are not. Oregon beats them at almost every age group. I know if I was from one of those three clubs I wouldn't be bragging about how good WA was if my club/team was not a part of it.

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Yet if you were from VUSA, WSA, or FCSC I bet you tried out for Oregon ODP. Let's face it, WA is overall stronger but VUSA, WSA, and FCSC are not. Oregon beats them at almost every age group. I know if I was from one of those three clubs I wouldn't be bragging about how good WA was if my club/team was not a part of it.

I have to pipe in on this one...

yes you do beat VUSA teams at some ages....keep in mind VUSA sends their "B", and one or two "Select" teams to the OPL.....you only see our top teams at U-10 and U-11...the rest are playing up north

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Tournaments too?

I have to pipe in on this one...

yes you do beat VUSA teams at some ages....keep in mind VUSA sends their "B", and one or two "Select" teams to the OPL.....you only see our top teams at U-10 and U-11...the rest are playing up north

I don't think those are the B teams we are playing in tournaments all up and down the West coast. Sorry the results don't back up your claims.

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I don't think those are the B teams we are playing in tournaments all up and down the West coast. Sorry the results don't back up your claims.

I was talking in the OPL, not up and down the West Coast....

could you please enlighten me in all of the *** kicking results up and down the West Coast?

please post them.

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Its not just numbers man,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,can you be wrong more?

It's coaching, their coaching staff dwarfs Oregon. That might be a numbers thing but when you pay coaches 15k per team vs. a measly 3k per team in Oregon, you are going to get the professional coaches. How many kids in Oregon have a coach who has a full time job probably the same ratio as kids at Crossfire have coaches who don't do anything but coach soccer.

Its facilities, Turf, fields and money> Better facilities = better programs = better development.

Its structure, Its a fundamental difference between soccer organizations like washington premier vs. a THUSC. Professional programs run by administrators who actually do this for a living.

Its competence: WA ODP, RCL, run by professionals who know what works. Compared to a poor Oregon girls ODP program and a OPL director Angela who has no knowledge of what she is doing.

It's not numbers, its all of the above.

Oregon has 20+ clubs in the PDX area. Inconsistent coaches, mom and pop programs, poaching to go 10 miles away, its fail.

I am not the original responder, but, everything you mentioned is driven by numbers - higher salaries, better facilities, better administrative compentency - all driven by numbers.

Now, I will agree with you that there are too many clubs in the PDX area and that certainly compounds our underlying numbers issues.

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I have to pipe in on this one...

yes you do beat VUSA teams at some ages....keep in mind VUSA sends their "B", and one or two "Select" teams to the OPL.....you only see our top teams at U-10 and U-11...the rest are playing up north

I believe at U12 FC Navy tied VUSA and so did Zirconium. I also believe that FCSC kicked VUSA's butt and Zirconium beat FCSC. Let's see Onyx beat VUSA U13 like 7-0 in a final at Clash at the Border. VUSA '97 only beat FC Navy 1-0 and WSM tied them. Ireland beat VUSA '94 3-0 and OSSA beat them 3-2. VUSA '00 tied CUSC in NWCL as wel. I would say that is less than a dominating performance.

VUSA is decent but no better all around than Oregon clubs.

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hahahahahahahah

I believe at U12 FC Navy tied VUSA and so did Zirconium. I also believe that FCSC kicked VUSA's butt and Zirconium beat FCSC. Let's see Onyx beat VUSA U13 like 7-0 in a final at Clash at the Border. VUSA '97 only beat FC Navy 1-0 and WSM tied them. Ireland beat VUSA '94 3-0 and OSSA beat them 3-2. VUSA '00 tied CUSC in NWCL as wel. I would say that is less than a dominating performance.

VUSA is decent but no better all around than Oregon clubs.

1) this is VUSA 99's that just went 11 a side like all WA teams do? who beat THUSC at Mt. Hood? Same team that finished 2nd in RCL.. please tell me you think OPL is as good as RCL and next year will be even just as all the other age groups are...........NOT

2) VUSA U-14 team that was finalists in NWCL back to back? Was this the same age group that for two years running Oregon couldn't get a team out of bracket in NWCL???? Right...............................1-0 win over FC Portland who can't even get out of bracket means little when they couldn't get out of their half against VUSA.

3) Was this the same VUSA 94's team that beat them prior 4-0 with ALL of their National team players? But yes they lost 3-0 having 4 age ups starting for them...Results do suffer when 5 starters are gone in Florida or Cali guest playing. But idiots like you just see the score

4) What about U-15? VUSA who was 30or 4th in their bracket at NWCL and still beat the #1 team from Oregon who didn't even get a win.

5) What about U-16 who opted out of NWCL and had their players play up with the 94's because they smashed the Oregon state Champs the year before....

6) There is no comparison.