Red Card Thusc Coach

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Oh no not most of the "unregistered guests" here who think that their children are going to become sociopaths because their coach got a couple of Red Cards in a season.

They would rather spend that $700 in the emergency room for the integrity of the game or spend 4 months taking their child to physical therapy becasue setting an example of accepting the word of a less than competent official is MORE important!

'Unregistered' here.

Stop pointing figures at everyone else. The needs to that responsibility for his actions.

It is nice to say you sorry, but still have to pay the price for his action.

Pointing at OPL, Referees, and other on this is nothing but a lot of crap.

If you want to blame someone for this - look at THUSC leadership and the Coach himself.

THUSC should have been on top of this and working to prevent any further Red Cards after the first 1. There is no reason that they let this do this far - none.

MJ fail all his player, families, Club, and soccer in general for this behavior. He knew he had gotten the Red Cards and should have 'known' there are going problems by getting more.

Stop pointing at everyone else a out this issue and look at the real source of the problem.

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[rvrctyrdnck]

I think most coaches can make a point without getting a red card. It all comes down to showing a little respect. Typically a yellow card comes before the red card.

That would be my expectation too.

I'm not familiar with the details of every incident but of the ones that I do know of there was NOT a yellow card issued.

I agree 100% that it comes down to respect however that is a two way street. I have seen many officials abuse their "power" to toss a coach even when he/she was justly protesting a call or lack thereof. Tossing a coach is a sign that the referee has lost control of the game and or him/herself.

Again this is NOT NOT NOT excusing MJ's behavior but just providing some much needed context for the situation that all coaches face. And yes not every coach gets tossed but its time for the referee’s to "own" part of this situation too!

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'Unregistered' here.

Stop pointing figures at everyone else. The needs to that responsibility for his actions.

It is nice to say you sorry, but still have to pay the price for his action.

Pointing at OPL, Referees, and other on this is nothing but a lot of crap.

If you want to blame someone for this - look at THUSC leadership and the Coach himself.

THUSC should have been on top of this and working to prevent any further Red Cards after the first 1. There is no reason that they let this do this far - none.

MJ fail all his player, families, Club, and soccer in general for this behavior. He knew he had gotten the Red Cards and should have 'known' there are going problems by getting more.

Stop pointing at everyone else a out this issue and look at the real source of the problem.

'Unregistered' out

So "unregistered" does OPL have ANY responsibility here or are they just innocent victims even though it’s their responsibility to the other clubs to stay on top of this?

Do the referee's get off scot free without examination of their behavior?

I agree that THUSC dropped the ball too but EVERYONE involved shares some responsibility and trying to pin all of the blame on MJ is ignoring the FACTS. I think the word I’m looking for is scapegoat

Why don't you have the courtesy to "register" a name so we can sort you out from the other unregistered posters?

[rvrctyrdnck]

OBTW what do you think of the quality of the referees?

State Cup Referees were of the better quality than they have been in years. The Oregon referee system is very weak and has made some great achievements in the past 3 years. This is not an OPL or OYSA issue. There are some great systems set-up to develop our Oregon referees. I am very optimistic for the future.[/QUOTE]

I agree that the officiating for the State Cup was better than league play but why should we have to wait when other officiating organizations have successful models to copy?

The solution is not rocket science. More money, more training and more accountability!

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tbQ849

Your moniker says all I need to know about you!

It made me laugh. What about your's? Was pdxasshl taken?

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No required

So "unregistered" does OPL have ANY responsibility here or are they just innocent victims even though it’s their responsibility to the other clubs to stay on top of this?

Do the referee's get off scot free without examination of their behavior?

I agree that THUSC dropped the ball too but EVERYONE involved shares some responsibility and trying to pin all of the blame on MJ is ignoring the FACTS. I think the word I’m looking for is scapegoat

Why don't you have the courtesy to "register" a name so we can sort you out from the other unregistered posters?

'Unregistered' here

There is no require to register.

I am sorry, but THUSC and MJ are the issue. OPL was forced to act on this because of this. You can not point to everyone else. Fix your problem at home.

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[rvrctyrdnck]

'Unregistered' here

There is no require to register.

I am sorry, but THUSC and MJ are the issue. OPL was forced to act on this because of this. You can not point to everyone else. Fix your problem at home.

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I NEVER said that there was not a problem that needed fixing but you and the other villagers with torches and pitch forks are whistling past the grave yard if you think that OPL is not complicit and the referees are NOT part of the problem too.

Human interaction is an organic process and all of the elements combined produce the result.

Why would you want to be one of many “unregistered” posters? How can we hold you accountable for past comments?

[rvrctyrdnck]

It made me laugh. What about your's? Was pdxasshl taken?

Wow if making a logical and as yet un-rebutted argument about the failure of OPL to follow their rules and pointing out the OBVIOUS short comings of Oregon Youth Soccer officiating makes me an A**hole then I shall wear that title proudly.

What have you done to make the world a better place today?

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It fits you well

Wow if making a logical and as yet un-rebutted argument about the failure of OPL to follow their rules and pointing out the OBVIOUS short comings of Oregon Youth Soccer officiating makes me an A**hole then I shall wear that title proudly.

What have you done to make the world a better place today?

Actually, for me, it's you THINKING that you are "making a logical and as yet un-rebutted argument" that makes it so. Plus, there's the long and repetitive nature of your posts.

Oh yeah ... and now the apparent delusion that you are somehow improving the world with your perspective here.

[rvrctyrdnck]

Actually, for me, it's you THINKING that you are "making a logical and as yet un-rebutted argument" that makes it so. Plus, there's the long and repetitive nature of your posts.

Oh yeah ... and now the apparent delusion that you are somehow improving the world with your perspective here.

I have no illusions that that the haters are not going to change their minds. What I am doing is providing as many facts as I have access to and as much context as I am aware of so that opened minded people can make a RATIONAL assessment of the situation.

Go ahead and give me a yellow card for complaining about the officiating. Maybe if enough of us parents who have to actually pay for that crap decided we weren't going to take it any more something might actually change.

To OPL's credit they did start a mentoring program to help younger officials improve their game, however this will not solve the supply and or quality problem in any short time frame.

Again what have you done today to make Oregon soccer better?

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THE EVILS OF cLUB SPORT

so "unregistered" does opl have any responsibility here or are they just innocent victims even though it’s their responsibility to the other clubs to stay on top of this?

Do the referee's get off scot free without examination of their behavior?

I agree that thusc dropped the ball too but everyone involved shares some responsibility and trying to pin all of the blame on mj is ignoring the facts. I think the word i’m looking for is scapegoat

why don't you have the courtesy to "register" a name so we can sort you out from the other unregistered posters?

*this all falls onto the evils of club sports and those who participate,from coach,player and parent. Rivals are a good thing, it gets you away from reality of life and puts it into that cult following that is sports. Cast your spells onto those who disagree, jump on a soapbox or bandwagon and shout. Nobody is really happy unless your winning or whining. Truth is we all love it, need it and will get through it. By the way lunch is over now back to life.

[rvrctyrdnck]

Actually, for me, it's you THINKING that you are "making a logical and as yet un-rebutted argument" that makes it so. Plus, there's the long and repetitive nature of your posts.

Oh yeah ... and now the apparent delusion that you are somehow improving the world with your perspective here.

As for the unrebutted claim: The OPL rule book says they are supposed to INTERVIEW all parties involved in the handing out of a Red Card and they admitted that they did NOT do that therefore that claim is TRUE!

I have yet to hear anyone say that the referee's were 100% justified in handing out the Red cards in every case. The record shows that at least two were iffy. So the claim that the referee's share “some” of blame is a LOGICAL conclusion.

HOWEVER again I am not saying that MJ is not part of the problem just that the "problem" is more complicated than an excitable coach and thinking that sending him away will improve anything is ignoring the systemic problems!!

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As for the unrebutted claim: The OPL rule book says they are supposed to INTERVIEW all parties involved in the handing out of a Red Card and they admitted that they did NOT do that therefore that claim is TRUE!

I have yet to hear anyone say that the referee's were 100% justified in handing out the Red cards in every case. The record shows that at least two were iffy. So the claim that the referee's share “some” of blame is a LOGICAL conclusion.

HOWEVER again I am not saying that MJ is not part of the problem just that the "problem" is more complicated than an excitable coach and thinking that sending him away will improve anything is ignoring the systemic problems!!

The musings of a mad man. Given the number of redneck's postings, and the vitriolic, irrational and delusional nature of them, I would venture to guess this is someone who has entirely too much time on his hands. The question is why.

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Rivals are a good thing, it gets you away from reality of life and puts it into that cult following that is sports.

Am I supposed to surmise from this statement that you feel rivalries only exist outside the reality of life? I beg to differ. I don't know what reality you claim to live in but it sure isn't here on earth. Rivalries and competition exist in every facet of life from school to sports to business. You name it. I work for a multibillion dollar company and everyday we battle our competitors. I had to compete against many others to get accepted into college and to play sports there. And when I was done I had to fight to get the postion I wanted with the company I wanted. Not to mention the HUGE rivalries in professional and collegiate sports. So I think you need to put down whatever you're inhaling and get a life.

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So answer me this then...If the quality of officiating is as awful as river city redneck says, and MJ was merely protecting his players by screaming profanities at the referees, why has no other coach been thrown out of 6 games this year, and why have we not heard of any terrible injuries this year as a result of referees letting games get out of control?

And river city redneck, as a matter of courtesy coaches are rarely shown an actual card if they are cautioned or dismissed. So I would bet this coach was given several warnings by the referee before they threw him out.