Official bayside hater's thread

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The best club, especially at the levels you are talking about, is what works best for you and your family. For the amount of kids that Bayside rosters, at the end of the program, how many actually move on to make money playing soccer? The reality is, you are paying the club, the club is not paying you! The chance of your kid (from tiny RI) actually earning a major scholarship or being paid to play soccer is slim. So why waste time arguing about what club is best. Again, you are paying them, they are not paying you! In addition, Bayside is the best in RI. RI does not have a premier league of its own. Bayside does not compete well in MA premier leagues and does not stand up well to Stars of MA, NEFC, and even its sister program Bolts. This argument is plain fruitless. If college scouts are looking for real talent, they only need to go to nearby MA to find it. RI clubs like Bayside are going to be overlooked in favor of the more talented, well run MA clubs. So yes, Bayside may be the "best in RI" but what does that get you except the right to say that on this board, and a hefty hit to the wallet?

Bayside parent here. In general I agree with what you are saying, however, the same thing can be said about just every team in RI and MA. For their 10 to 1 player ratio (your numbers, not mine) I'm not seeing that much of a difference between regional results for RI vs MA teams. We are all just little fish in the giant world of soccer. Playing for Stars or Scorps or NEFC only marginally improves results, and that's just for those players in those clubs that play on the top team in their age group. Not exactly sure why someone would want to spend even more money and travel to MA with slim chances of having any better results in the long run. Being best in RI might not be as big as being best in MA, but I'm quite sure that neither state has too many teams that can say they are Best in the Region. So why is it bad to be proud of being the best in whatever state or league you play in? I'm sure if your Kid was on a RI State Cup Champion team, you'd go around saying "we really suck because the MA State Cup Champion is better than us". Sure the best RI kids inevitably end up playing in MA, but that is more a function of the 10 to 1 player ratio you talk about than a function of the MA clubs being light years ahead of RI in terms of coaching or training. If MA bordered NJ or PA you'd see the same exact thing happening with the top players in MA migrating to either NJ or PA. It only makes sense for the truly top-level elite players to try and earn a spot on a regional power team in MA if they are from RI. Everyone else is wasting a lot of time and money chasing a dream (nightmare).

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Bayside parent here. In general I agree with what you are saying, however, the same thing can be said about just every team in RI and MA. For their 10 to 1 player ratio (your numbers, not mine) I'm not seeing that much of a difference between regional results for RI vs MA teams. We are all just little fish in the giant world of soccer. Playing for Stars or Scorps or NEFC only marginally improves results, and that's just for those players in those clubs that play on the top team in their age group. Not exactly sure why someone would want to spend even more money and travel to MA with slim chances of having any better results in the long run. Being best in RI might not be as big as being best in MA, but I'm quite sure that neither state has too many teams that can say they are Best in the Region. So why is it bad to be proud of being the best in whatever state or league you play in? I'm sure if your Kid was on a RI State Cup Champion team, you'd go around saying "we really suck because the MA State Cup Champion is better than us". Sure the best RI kids inevitably end up playing in MA, but that is more a function of the 10 to 1 player ratio you talk about than a function of the MA clubs being light years ahead of RI in terms of coaching or training. If MA bordered NJ or PA you'd see the same exact thing happening with the top players in MA migrating to either NJ or PA. It only makes sense for the truly top-level elite players to try and earn a spot on a regional power team in MA if they are from RI. Everyone else is wasting a lot of time and money chasing a dream (nightmare).

If you are not sure why anyone would want to spend more money or travel for a MA club, go see one of the games of a Top Level Stars of MA teams, then compare it to a Bayside game in the same age group. My point is RI is a weak and small soccer state, it is not hard to corner the market. If any of the RI teams had to actually compete in MA State cup (where most RI club teams play league games), I doubt you would see one team past the Semis. RI has so few clubs that actually compete in RI State cup. For example, 12G last year there were what? 4 clubs? U12B had 3. Most states have to go through more than 3- 4 clubs to win a State Cup!

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Size of state isn't everything.

Bayside just sets it's sights too low. They are fine with winning RI State Cup and going to Regionals every year.

As a club, they don't do the things that the top clubs do, they don't have strong coaches, and they don't have a structure.

There are players in Southern Mass, Eastern CT ready to be picked up by a strong club around Providence. Providence has the population necessary to support a good club. But no one seems to want to start one.

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Size of state isn't everything.

Bayside just sets it's sights too low. They are fine with winning RI State Cup and going to Regionals every year.

As a club, they don't do the things that the top clubs do, they don't have strong coaches, and they don't have a structure.

There are players in Southern Mass, Eastern CT ready to be picked up by a strong club around Providence. Providence has the population necessary to support a good club. But no one seems to want to start one.

You are definitely inexperienced. Rather than elaborate let me just say many of the people do not want to pay, it is not high on their priority list. There are many reasons why they feel that way but none of the reasons change anything. Premier clubs require people with deep pockets - that's the way it is.

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If you are not sure why anyone would want to spend more money or travel for a MA club, go see one of the games of a Top Level Stars of MA teams, then compare it to a Bayside game in the same age group. My point is RI is a weak and small soccer state, it is not hard to corner the market. If any of the RI teams had to actually compete in MA State cup (where most RI club teams play league games), I doubt you would see one team past the Semis. RI has so few clubs that actually compete in RI State cup. For example, 12G last year there were what? 4 clubs? U12B had 3. Most states have to go through more than 3- 4 clubs to win a State Cup!

Spending more money for what? Do you get something back? There is no doubt that some, and it really is just some, of the MA clubs have much better teams than the little RI group. But who cares. I want my kid to have fun and I want to have fun watching her fave fun. If the fun stops then premier stops too. I don't want to drive an hour and a half to get to practice. And by the way, very few kids are good enough to play for the top stars teams and other similar teams. If your kid is good enough to make the "A" team then you are looking at spending $10,000 (club fees plus travel expenses)to play soccer. And in the end what do you have?

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Spending more money for what? Do you get something back? There is no doubt that some, and it really is just some, of the MA clubs have much better teams than the little RI group. But who cares. I want my kid to have fun and I want to have fun watching her fave fun. If the fun stops then premier stops too. I don't want to drive an hour and a half to get to practice. And by the way, very few kids are good enough to play for the top stars teams and other similar teams. If your kid is good enough to make the "A" team then you are looking at spending $10,000 (club fees plus travel expenses)to play soccer. And in the end what do you have?

They way most Bayside parents talk, all of the players should easily be able to make a Stars team, or at least NEFC or SS Select, LOL. As we have all heard (about 1000000 times) they are the "best in RI", kind of like NY Weiners ; )

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They way most Bayside parents talk, all of the players should easily be able to make a Stars team, or at least NEFC or SS Select, LOL. As we have all heard (about 1000000 times) they are the "best in RI", kind of like NY Weiners ; )

Your reading comprehension skills are awful. I read the same post and do not see anything in the post that eludes to Bayside parents thinking they can all make a Stats team. Fact is 99.9% of the people in RI could care less who the Stars are. Also, why is it always "if you were really any good you'd be playing for Stars or Scorps"
? Last time I checked CFC and Oakwood were pretty good too and it's just as far for half of RIers.

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I have a couple of big problems with some of the past few posts.

Do RI families really know how much other clubs cost? Do they really think Bayside is cheaper than the stronger Massachusetts clubs being discussed? It's nonsense. Bayside is just as expensive, and the reason Bayside teams don't go to better tournaments is they have trouble competing in New England.

And the biggest complaint I have is that the reason Bayside doesn't produce better teams and players is that they aren't as good at it. Go to a practice session at Stars, NEFC, Scorpions, even MPS, it's like a different game, it's like these clubs teach the kids a different game than Bayside teaches.

RI families at Bayside need to wake up and get out into the real world.

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I have a couple of big problems with some of the past few posts.

Do RI families really know how much other clubs cost? Do they really think Bayside is cheaper than the stronger Massachusetts clubs being discussed? It's nonsense. Bayside is just as expensive, and the reason Bayside teams don't go to better tournaments is they have trouble competing in New England.

And the biggest complaint I have is that the reason Bayside doesn't produce better teams and players is that they aren't as good at it. Go to a practice session at Stars, NEFC, Scorpions, even MPS, it's like a different game, it's like these clubs teach the kids a different game than Bayside teaches.

RI families at Bayside need to wake up and get out into the real world.

JMA will not ever hire a coach who is better than he is and that explains all of it.

All the coaches there are either family or present/past friends of JMA.

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I have a couple of big problems with some of the past few posts.

Do RI families really know how much other clubs cost? Do they really think Bayside is cheaper than the stronger Massachusetts clubs being discussed? It's nonsense. Bayside is just as expensive, and the reason Bayside teams don't go to better tournaments is they have trouble competing in New England.

And the biggest complaint I have is that the reason Bayside doesn't produce better teams and players is that they aren't as good at it. Go to a practice session at Stars, NEFC, Scorpions, even MPS, it's like a different game, it's like these clubs teach the kids a different game than Bayside teaches.

RI families at Bayside need to wake up and get out into the real world.

I am glad your daughter made it to one of those club. Does she play on the ECNL team? By the way any club associated with ECNL would have no problem attracting the top players from RI and MA. But the reality is the are only 3 in NE. You should go ask NEFC what kind of handicap they have in term of competing with the likes of Scorpions and Stars of MASS. Plus being in RI is a handicap by itself. We have a youth soccer structure does not support elite soccer like MA and CT. At this moment Bayside is the best option we have in RI whether you like it or not.

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JMA will not ever hire a coach who is better than he is and that explains all of it.

All the coaches there are either family or present/past friends of JMA.

Nice to have good friends and family members. They helped built Bayside to what it is today. Can't say the same for the rest of the RI premier clubs.

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Nice to have good friends and family members. They helped built Bayside to what it is today. Can't say the same for the rest of the RI premier clubs.

Blackwatch has a much better record of success for their players after they leave the club for college and it's not even close.

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I have a couple of big problems with some of the past few posts.

Do RI families really know how much other clubs cost? Do they really think Bayside is cheaper than the stronger Massachusetts clubs being discussed? It's nonsense. Bayside is just as expensive, and the reason Bayside teams don't go to better tournaments is they have trouble competing in New England.

And the biggest complaint I have is that the reason Bayside doesn't produce better teams and players is that they aren't as good at it. Go to a practice session at Stars, NEFC, Scorpions, even MPS, it's like a different game, it's like these clubs teach the kids a different game than Bayside teaches.

RI families at Bayside need to wake up and get out into the real world.

Exactly right!!! These clubs are not more expensive, most of them are a bit less or level. It can be a bit more travel, because they can (and do) compete well at a regional level. But wow, if you watch them compete, you will see some good soccer! I am starting to think MPS coming into RI may be a good thing. These kids play a clean, skilled, technical game of soccer that you will never see at Bayside. I am not saying this in an insulting way. If you see it, you will think the same. We just don't have that at ANY club in RI, at least not at the younger, teaching age groups. We are starting kids off behind the nearest competition, even at the championship clubs. That does not say alot for soccer in RI.

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Exactly right!!! These clubs are not more expensive, most of them are a bit less or level. It can be a bit more travel, because they can (and do) compete well at a regional level. But wow, if you watch them compete, you will see some good soccer! I am starting to think MPS coming into RI may be a good thing. These kids play a clean, skilled, technical game of soccer that you will never see at Bayside. I am not saying this in an insulting way. If you see it, you will think the same. We just don't have that at ANY club in RI, at least not at the younger, teaching age groups. We are starting kids off behind the nearest competition, even at the championship clubs. That does not say alot for soccer in RI.

The MPS system is a good one. The bests example I have experienced is when my daughter played a, new that year, MPS team at U13. The MPS team played a good style of soccer, you could tell that they were being trained to play a specific way. At U13 my daughters team beat them, something like 4-1. They met again at U14 and the MPS team was now much better the tied 2-2. And at U15 the MPS team was the superior team across the board, MPS won 3-1. So what it came down to was that the RI team had the superior athletes and MPS had the better trained team.

What I have experience watching MPS is good ball movement and a planned attack and good fundamental defense. Over the long haul, MPS would be fantastic for RI Soccer

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The MPS system is a good one. The bests example I have experienced is when my daughter played a, new that year, MPS team at U13. The MPS team played a good style of soccer, you could tell that they were being trained to play a specific way. At U13 my daughters team beat them, something like 4-1. They met again at U14 and the MPS team was now much better the tied 2-2. And at U15 the MPS team was the superior team across the board, MPS won 3-1. So what it came down to was that the RI team had the superior athletes and MPS had the better trained team.

What I have experience watching MPS is good ball movement and a planned attack and good fundamental defense. Over the long haul, MPS would be fantastic for RI Soccer

I agree, its not that I want to be on a title winning team or an expensive team. If I am going to play club fees for my child to play soccer, I want him/her to learn it the right way. You could compare it to school. You could go with a well known accredited school, if you come out of it and don't know math. You have failed. I want to see a club, if it is MPS fine, if it is another club that is fine too, teach the same great skills as clubs in nearby states teach. I want to go to a RI team vs RI team game and see good ball movement, a planned attack and a good fundamental defense.