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More female soccer players are going abroad where the money is better and there's an actual soccer culture. There's no money for womens soccer here. People will pick several top mens sports and even WNBA ahead of women's soccer for what to watch or attend. -
LISC must be getting desperate for tryout players - LM is pumping them up on BOTN. Says they're the best option yada yada. Their U14 team is well over -100 GD and has scored one goal all year. If they're so great why did they lose teams this year?Comment
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You should post that on BOTN. Otherwise there's a conversation being had here about the culture of women's soccer. Thanks.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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BOTN moderates out (censors) anything that is anti LISC or anti SUSA and pro Fury. Part of culture of women's soccer, I guess.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Strange how when a thread says "NY GDA" that someone would want to talk about a NY GDA team. The thread title isn't "the culture of US Women's soccer."Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Anyway, I did post it on BOTN and LM censored it. So there ya go - you're almost as bad as LM. You can't censor but you're trying control the conversation.Comment
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Sure buddy.Comment
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How can anyone believe that US Soccer actually cares about Girls DA when they don't give a damn about US Women's Soccer?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/us-socc...060521786.htmlComment
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They've never cared. They didn't do GDA when they started BDA. Had they done that they wouldn't be in a battle to wrestle players and clubs away from ECNL. They relied on our 20 year head start on the women's side because of Title 9 and just put it on cruise control. Meanwhile they failed to see other countries catching up in the rearview mirror. Once they realized they had a problem (and I'm by no means defending ECNL here) they addressed the problem all wrong. Despite all the hardware they've won ,the WNT is treated very differently then the men's. Unfortunately USSF cares more about total revenues rather than accomplishments. Now that USSF is run by an investment banker that financial focus will only get worse, not better, and US soccer will not improve (men's side too).Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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You are defending ECNL by starting with ‘our head start’Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
How has ECNL helped women earn equal pay in the last 10 years?
ECNL is a beast with one key objective to make tons of money for the clubs. By men and for men.
Money needs to come from professional teams and not just from national team earnings.Comment
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Not sure why you think he was defending ECNL. ECNL did have a head start, that's just a fact. ECNl has many flaws which weren't addressed, but don't make USSF out to be a saint because they're not. They're responsible for NT coaching and training and you can't put all the blame on a league if USSF isn't doing much on their end. They've coasted too.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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How many times a week are each of the GDA teams trainingOriginally posted by Unregistered View Post
Who are their coaches and trainers
Where are they train8ng
What is their train8ng regimen
What is the cost
Are there opportunities to play
How are the players treated
The culture
Etc etc.
those are the factors to consider.Comment
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women's soccer did not start with the ECNL. all they have done is milk the cow. Not clear what people expect the USSF to do? Dont give me DA/GDA stuff. The USSF is not a training organization. its a federation. NT coaching is what exactly? taking players that are already trained and molding them into a NT? Thats not development.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Development is what Clubs do. i believe the USSF did not like the lack of a development track within the ECNL and overstepped in trying to create one. You cant. Development is borne of necessity. Mens Clubs develop players because there is a value proposition there.
The USSF miscalculated the value of YNT call ups. They have none. Even if they had started the GDA simultaneously with BDA, we would be in the same place in terms of player development because the same Clubs are the ones doing it and they have no incentive to be anything but membership clubs. you pay the $$ and you are a member. Does not matter how good you are or how hard you work.
if the end goal for the USSF is better players, then the only way to stimulate that is by making the NWSL a viable career, increasing the number of clubs, finding a benefactor who is willing to shoulder a huge financial burden for the love of the game. Making the NWSL the stepping stone too the NTs. Then you will get the natural separation based on talent.
im not advocating for this. im just saying that without real incentive, nothing is going to changeComment
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here is the way our family sees it:
1) US Soccer started their BDA with no focus on the women’s game
2) ECNL started up because US Soccer was ignoring the girls side
3) For 10 years, US Soccer continued to ignore women’s soccer, even though our National team was crushing it year after year. ECNL grows into the destination league
4) Women’s National team gets sick and tired of being second class citizens and sue US Soccer
5) Someone at US Soccer opens their eyes and says, you know, we have been ignoring girls for years. This is gonna end badly for us
6) The Birth of GDA. Let’s run it just like the boys DA and hope no one catches on that we are only starting this up to prevent future lawsuits. What clubs should we invite? Every ECNL club? YES they run a great league. Let’s get all their clubs. Funding? No wayComment
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1. what did they start teh BDA for? How does that impact mens professional soccer? No focus on the women's game? they were winning world cups.They had focus on the womens game, they did not see the need to focus on player development at grassroots. that is a very different propositionOriginally posted by Unregistered View Post
2. ECNL started because there was a commercial opportunity?
3. US soccer never ignore womens soccer. The reason the commercial opportunity grew for the ECNL was because the NT was successful. You cannot remove the role USSF played in that.
4. You need to separate the business of sports from the debate, they are not linked.
5. Or maybe they looked at the RoW ,the youth team results are felt that the level of player they were getting from the clubs was not good enough.
6. or maybe they loved the infrastructure of all the ECNL and felt by tweaking coaching focus, they could help improve player development.
i have no idea why people think creating the GDA had to be "get all their clubs" Or why you think the ECNL model is a developmental success?
the problem is 2 entities that cannot collaborate to create a pathway for kids that takes into account ability, access, development and many other things.
The ECNL has not done much for soccer other than create an expensive one stop shop for college coaches. I dont see what that has to do with development RELATIVE to the RoW. The USSF has underestimated the task of stimulating development. Overestimated the existing numbers of quality players. In fact they have been guilty of drinking the ECNL koolaid . Why? becasue they dont have the manpower to scout players or clubs thoroughly. They have assumed the soccer is far better than it is.
Both entities have differing goals and have not worked together. Now Heinrichs is out, maybe the next person will be more of a consensus builder. in the meantime, the ECNL?GDA will continue to serve as the college conduit and the growth of our elite player pool will continue to fall behind the RoW.
Today in interesting contrasts: the US World Cup roster has two players born in 1996 or later. The JPN roster has 12.
there is a reason for this.Comment
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