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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Those aren't schools we are realistically looking at. "Top" is a subjective term based on what each individual considers to prioritize. Not sure why that's hard to understand.
    its not in soccer terms. Not sure what part of that you dont get.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      And these top schools recruit from YNT rosters/camps, and foreigners but still expect the player to show interest first. They will expect you to attend a camp or clinic. They will inquire about a teammate even though they came to see you. They do care about your grades.. They do not care about your w/l record. They do want you playing ECNL or GDA especially if you committed to them. They really like versatile players, if you are at a clinic/camp and they move your kid around the interest is real. They will show up at a practice or league game. They will show up at a HS game but really just to be seen by you and talk to you. If this happens you are in. Just dont mess up. You will know in 9th grade if there is interest. It is not uncommon for 100 coaches to attend a single game at an ecnl event. I cant see why gda would be any different. NL wont get 100 div 1 coaches to the entire event let alone 1 game.
      Some truth here, but every case is different. No one asked my kid about grades or going to any clinic/camp.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Am hearing that some of the better 03 and 04 players are leaving the NYCFC/WC to play for other DA clubs, ugh... I knew this would happen, and it’s really unfortunate, but that is youth soccer, no matter the league, club or team. Families make choices, and they all have great reasons for their motivations, so what can't we just wish these families good luck, and hope to see them at a college game some day, is that so hard???
        I'm not sure about you, but my daughter is staying and I have been saying to the people that are leaving that I wish them all the luck in the world. While I would love for them to stay, they are doing what they feel is best for their child. We feel staying is best. We know what we get with World Class and Kaz. While other clubs reached out to us with offers that sounded great, some of the offers were just too good to believe. As a family we felt that they oversold us on things that could not be true.

        The soccer landscape has become so watered down, that no one can offer the best training, with the best players, in the best league. Pick where you think your child will do best and be happy. That is all you can ask for. They will be off to college before you know it, and the last thing you want is for your kid to say is that they were miserable with the decision you made for them

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          All of them did .... ALL OF THEM. My daughter got emails from Penn State, Auburn, Nichols, St. Michaels, Columbia, Bentley, USC (Cal and S Carolina), Duke, Iona, Stony Brook, Siena, Western CT, Amherst .... the entire spectrum of good and bad academic schools, good and bad soccer programs, D1, 2, and 3, NAIA, schools on east coast, west coast and everywhere in between, well-known schools and ones I have never heard of ..... they are all selling their clinics. As another person posted, the only ones we paid any attention to were the ones from coaches that she had solicited prior to tournaments and that showed up for at least one of her games .... she picked the schools for academic reasons, emailed those coaches, and then paid attention tot he coaches that came to see her play and then contacted her or her coach .... and it was dually noted which coaches came for more than one game.
          There is a big difference between "interest" and "invite to a clinic".

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            There is a big difference between "interest" and "invite to a clinic".
            Yes, it is called an offer. Sadly, most people still do not know the difference and will drop a lot of coin on one to try to get the other .... most are unsuccessful.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              There is a big difference between "interest" and "invite to a clinic".
              Not the poster, but if a coach you reached out to doesn't even show up to watch you play then it definitely is just an invite/direct $150 to his bottom line. If they came, then it gets harder to assess if it's genuine interest. That's where a club coach reaching out can be helpful. Players can reach out to coaches but teens aren't good at reading between the lines and technically coaches can't talk "recruitment" until after sophomore year.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                I'm not sure about you, but my daughter is staying and I have been saying to the people that are leaving that I wish them all the luck in the world. While I would love for them to stay, they are doing what they feel is best for their child. We feel staying is best. We know what we get with World Class and Kaz. While other clubs reached out to us with offers that sounded great, some of the offers were just too good to believe. As a family we felt that they oversold us on things that could not be true.

                The soccer landscape has become so watered down, that no one can offer the best training, with the best players, in the best league. Pick where you think your child will do best and be happy. That is all you can ask for. They will be off to college before you know it, and the last thing you want is for your kid to say is that they were miserable with the decision you made for them
                the soccer landscape is watered down because people will no accepts where they are. This creates an environment where clubs can make money by lying to parents. parents are so desperate to believe. So desperate that they allow clubs to see them on multiple "elite" leagues and coaches. In life, excellence is rare. In Club soccer, parents allow thie egos to fool them into thinking wherever tehy are is teh bvest.

                to these kids leaving WC/NYCFC. how many elite players have the coaches you are going to helped grow? How many of their alumni come back to the club? How many unfulfilled promises do they make?

                If you have positive answers to questions like these, good luck. if you dont, you are making a mistake. Some people need to make it for themselves to realize. Just be humble enough to accept it IF it is indeed one and find the right place. Forget your egos. In College, the best players play. Arguing over who is the best becomes pointless.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  the soccer landscape is watered down because people will no accepts where they are. This creates an environment where clubs can make money by lying to parents. parents are so desperate to believe. So desperate that they allow clubs to see them on multiple "elite" leagues and coaches. In life, excellence is rare. In Club soccer, parents allow thie egos to fool them into thinking wherever tehy are is teh bvest.

                  to these kids leaving WC/NYCFC. how many elite players have the coaches you are going to helped grow? How many of their alumni come back to the club? How many unfulfilled promises do they make?

                  If you have positive answers to questions like these, good luck. if you dont, you are making a mistake. Some people need to make it for themselves to realize. Just be humble enough to accept it IF it is indeed one and find the right place. Forget your egos. In College, the best players play. Arguing over who is the best becomes pointless.
                  Your criteria for what you choose to buy is for your player. Thanks for the unsolicited advice but at this point, all these families have many years of experience with the youth soccer rat race and can choose for themselves what they want.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Your criteria for what you choose to buy is for your player. Thanks for the unsolicited advice but at this point, all these families have many years of experience with the youth soccer rat race and can choose for themselves what they want.
                    outlooks and experiences are crafted by the environment. Of course they can choose. Does not mean they will choose well. Smart people evolve and use their choices and the experiences of others to refine the next ones. Others just make the same mistakes over and over again.

                    its also very hard for people to be objective. they are IN a situation and they assume the next one will be so much better. big picture is hard to see.

                    ego forces some to repeat the mistakes of the past.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      outlooks and experiences are crafted by the environment. Of course they can choose. Does not mean they will choose well. Smart people evolve and use their choices and the experiences of others to refine the next ones. Others just make the same mistakes over and over again.

                      its also very hard for people to be objective. they are IN a situation and they assume the next one will be so much better. big picture is hard to see.

                      ego forces some to repeat the mistakes of the past.
                      hard to see the big picture when it changes every freaking year, at least when it comes to the youth soccer landscape.

                      savvy parents know chasing badges doesn't matter. a good player is made from hard work, good coaching and challenging teammates, not what badge is on the sleeve.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        outlooks and experiences are crafted by the environment. Of course they can choose. Does not mean they will choose well. Smart people evolve and use their choices and the experiences of others to refine the next ones. Others just make the same mistakes over and over again.

                        its also very hard for people to be objective. they are IN a situation and they assume the next one will be so much better. big picture is hard to see.

                        ego forces some to repeat the mistakes of the past.
                        By ecnl, gda teen ages, people are well aware of all the crap. Choosing wisely is not possible. Just pick the best fit from among the all the damaged goods. Will be different choice for different families.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          By ecnl, gda teen ages, people are well aware of all the crap. Choosing wisely is not possible. Just pick the best fit from among the all the damaged goods. Will be different choice for different families.
                          your thinking is exactly why it remains the same. People are not well aware. most are totally misguided. manipulated by ego, keeping up with the jones's and whatever else. i parents were realistic and made good choices, we would have a different system

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            hard to see the big picture when it changes every freaking year, at least when it comes to the youth soccer landscape.

                            savvy parents know chasing badges doesn't matter. a good player is made from hard work, good coaching and challenging teammates, not what badge is on the sleeve.
                            does it change? most of these coaches have been around for years. nothing is really changing except the most superficial skin.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Some truth here, but every case is different. No one asked my kid about grades or going to any clinic/camp.
                              re: grades. Your daughter is either still early in the process or submitted her GPA with her recruiting questionnaire
                              and they are just taking her word for it. You will not get 1 cent offered without submitting grades at some point.

                              re: camps and clinics they will want her there even if she is already committed. In fact they will want her there even more.

                              Remember we are talking best of the best. They dont take risks on grades and they want to see some dedication on your part. I also know how import these camps/clinics are for schools to evaluate potential student athletes. With that said, I have not personally been exposed to all of the schools that were listed and I dont know how the recruiting process plays out for other people. I now have 2 daughter's who went or are going through the process and the process was almost identical 6 years apart. The only differences are that the club is helping much more this time and time table seems to have slowed down 6-8 months.

                              A little tip... they waited until the first school reached out and engaged them and then set their targets at a higher level of soccer and reached out to schools from that list. Ironially it appears daughter #2 is turning down offers from a Big10 and 2 ACC schools for an A10 school. The first school to contact her! Scholarship is about the same and they all offer what she wants to do in life. The A10 school is much closer to home and much smaller in size. This is what appealed to her. Refreshing part was that none of the schools put major pressure to verbal early and now due to age restrictions essentially cant discuss packages again until a year from now. The A10 school essentially said they would like to know no later than winter of her Jr year. The other schools want to know by spring of Soph year, essentially by this time next year. Daughter #1 was under much more pressure, got her first offer in 8th grade, committed in 9th grade to a school with a big football stadium, played one year and transferred to another school with a slightly smaller football stadium.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                your thinking is exactly why it remains the same. People are not well aware. most are totally misguided. manipulated by ego, keeping up with the jones's and whatever else. i parents were realistic and made good choices, we would have a different system
                                Spare me. Do your homework regardless of whatever badge is being dangled. That has little meaning.

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