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NYSC DA sent out an email advertising for their programs and they included that if you participate you can play other sports just not soccer. I understand the arguments people have favoring multi-sport athletes and also understand that if they cut them out of the program they probably wouldn't be able to field teams, but isn't the point of DA that you are all in for soccer? The intention of the league was to have 10 months of uninterrupted training. If you are advertising that it's ok to play other sports you are diluting the intent and the effectiveness of the training. If you are not allowing players to participate in soccer outside of DA, why (aside from what I mentioned) allow any other sports? What is the difference?

you can learn good tactics by playing other sports like basketball and/or lacrosse.
kids in other countries play other activities as well (they really don't specialize till about 13 or 14).

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The rollout weakened the entire soccer landscape in our country! Not only did it create it's own 3rd tier league but it further weakened every other league substantially. US Soccer is King Midas.

No, because everyone in GDA is terrible, so nothing was weakened.

You can't have it both ways. You can't post constantly how crappy the team is, then say it weakened everything. Only crappy players in it, so nothing was weakened...right?

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you can learn good tactics by playing other sports like basketball and/or lacrosse.
kids in other countries play other activities as well (they really don't specialize till about 13 or 14).

Have a friend who is a D1 coach, who played in Holland. Have a family member who coached here, who advocated for multi-sports. For a time, they were both on the board of our local club.

Fascinating argument about which is better. Safe to say, the opinion of the Dutch coach was pretty clear: The problem is Americans is you are good at a lot of things, but not great in soccer because you are spread too thin. Every minute you are playing another sport is a minute someone in another country working on soccer.

So, no, I would disagree with that assertion that other countries play lots of other sports. Many countries don't even participate in half the sports we have here.

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NYSC DA sent out an email advertising for their programs and they included that if you participate you can play other sports just not soccer. I understand the arguments people have favoring multi-sport athletes and also understand that if they cut them out of the program they probably wouldn't be able to field teams, but isn't the point of DA that you are all in for soccer? The intention of the league was to have 10 months of uninterrupted training. If you are advertising that it's ok to play other sports you are diluting the intent and the effectiveness of the training. If you are not allowing players to participate in soccer outside of DA, why (aside from what I mentioned) allow any other sports? What is the difference?

Again, they have a rule and people complain about it. So, they are trying to be flexible...and still people complain about it.

Personally, our club doesn't officially outlaw other sports (for many, they can't choose yet so they are keeping options open, that's fine). But, they make it very clear: you show up on time, ready to play, and not exhausted because you just came from lacrosse practice. What you do on your own time is fine, but don't let it affect your play. Some have pushed it, and they have been impacted in playing time. Even before DA, they were not a fan of HS ball (for example) as they have seen the impact it had on players with injuries and poor habits.

The difference with soccer is the training in DA is very structured. Fitness levels are measured, performance is measured, they have a regimen to follow. If you are playing other soccer on the side, you are playing "differently" and it impacts their data.

Agree with it or not, that's not the point. That's their reasoning.

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Again, they have a rule and people complain about it. So, they are trying to be flexible...and still people complain about it.

Personally, our club doesn't officially outlaw other sports (for many, they can't choose yet so they are keeping options open, that's fine). But, they make it very clear: you show up on time, ready to play, and not exhausted because you just came from lacrosse practice. What you do on your own time is fine, but don't let it affect your play. Some have pushed it, and they have been impacted in playing time. Even before DA, they were not a fan of HS ball (for example) as they have seen the impact it had on players with injuries and poor habits.

The difference with soccer is the training in DA is very structured. Fitness levels are measured, performance is measured, they have a regimen to follow. If you are playing other soccer on the side, you are playing "differently" and it impacts their data.

Agree with it or not, that's not the point. That's their reasoning.

On my daughters da team, many players play other sports and miss practices, some for the whole winter and even in the spring during the season. Players should be able to do as they like in their own time but it should be that soccer is the priority if you participate on a da team and that needs to be enforced by the clubs. The few players on her team that are all in are negatively impacted by those that are multi sport athletes and that seems really backward to me.

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On my daughters da team, many players play other sports and miss practices, some for the whole winter and even in the spring during the season. Players should be able to do as they like in their own time but it should be that soccer is the priority if you participate on a da team and that needs to be enforced by the clubs. The few players on her team that are all in are negatively impacted by those that are multi sport athletes and that seems really backward to me.

Can't speak for your D's club, but I'm sure if they could they would cut those players. But, as everyone knows, it's a scramble to get quality players so they may have to live with it.

I can tell you my D gets pissed when players aren't showing commitment. It's better now in DA than when we were in NPL, as then there were like 6-8 players with 100% commitment and the other half weren't all-in. Now, it's more like 90% full commitment, but still rankles her. I can't blame her. Pay this much freakin' money and not commit to it?

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Have a friend who is a D1 coach, who played in Holland. Have a family member who coached here, who advocated for multi-sports. For a time, they were both on the board of our local club.

Fascinating argument about which is better. Safe to say, the opinion of the Dutch coach was pretty clear: The problem is Americans is you are good at a lot of things, but not great in soccer because you are spread too thin. Every minute you are playing another sport is a minute someone in another country working on soccer.

So, no, I would disagree with that assertion that other countries play lots of other sports. Many countries don't even participate in half the sports we have here.

not a lot of sports just a couple that compliment soccer....the problem with american soccer...and lets be clear is not the physical ability of the athletes....usa has the best athletes in the world, however when it comes to soccer, we have very bad tactics and we make bad tactical decisions (and poor efficiency), the dutch, spanish, germans, french are all excellent at developing TEAMS...Teams that make good tactical decisions on the pitch with amazing efficiency....It is evident the huge difference style of play between European teams and MLS.

cant blame the american style of play on basketball.

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not a lot of sports just a couple that compliment soccer....the problem with american soccer...and lets be clear is not the physical ability of the athletes....usa has the best athletes in the world, however when it comes to soccer, we have very bad tactics and we make bad tactical decisions (and poor efficiency), the dutch, spanish, germans, french are all excellent at developing TEAMS...Teams that make good tactical decisions on the pitch with amazing efficiency....It is evident the huge difference style of play between European teams and MLS.

cant blame the american style of play on basketball.

That leads credence that we aren't spending enough time playing the game, and too much time playing other games.

Your assertion seems counter-intuitive to the "just let the kids play freely in the park with no structure" argument, though.

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That leads credence that we aren't spending enough time playing the game, and too much time playing other games.

Your assertion seems counter-intuitive to the "just let the kids play freely in the park with no structure" argument, though.

Perhaps there is way too much structure (especially at early ages). At our local DA club, they take creativity out of the game from day 1. Play solid, 2-touch soccer and treat the ball as if it were a hand grenade without the pin and that is it. It's like they are teaching them to be afraid of having the ball. Very little creativity of kids and not enough, IMHO, of kids taking on 1v1 on offensive half, sucking in the defenders and then finding the 2nd or 3rd option in the run. They become quite adept at passing on the back half of the field because of the space allowed, but as they get further and further forward, they struggle to play the same game as the space between players has diminished and opponents become more concentrated. Then they play the ball back to an area where they are again granted more space to be successful .... the completed 2-touch passes become the end game and not putting the ball in the back of the net(because they are so afraid of making a mistake and turning it over).

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Perhaps there is way too much structure (especially at early ages). At our local DA club, they take creativity out of the game from day 1. Play solid, 2-touch soccer and treat the ball as if it were a hand grenade without the pin and that is it. It's like they are teaching them to be afraid of having the ball. Very little creativity of kids and not enough, IMHO, of kids taking on 1v1 on offensive half, sucking in the defenders and then finding the 2nd or 3rd option in the run. They become quite adept at passing on the back half of the field because of the space allowed, but as they get further and further forward, they struggle to play the same game as the space between players has diminished and opponents become more concentrated. Then they play the ball back to an area where they are again granted more space to be successful .... the completed 2-touch passes become the end game and not putting the ball in the back of the net(because they are so afraid of making a mistake and turning it over).

Can't argue with that. Seems like ours as well: solid defensively, move the ball around quite well, everything bogs down in the final third. Lack of creativity there.

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Getting kids excited to be on the NYCFC/WCFC team.

Funny how BS is featured so prominently in that video, hahaha, guess being a bad-girl doesn't necessarily get in the way of being a great player...

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Perhaps there is way too much structure (especially at early ages). At our local DA club, they take creativity out of the game from day 1. Play solid, 2-touch soccer and treat the ball as if it were a hand grenade without the pin and that is it. It's like they are teaching them to be afraid of having the ball. Very little creativity of kids and not enough, IMHO, of kids taking on 1v1 on offensive half, sucking in the defenders and then finding the 2nd or 3rd option in the run. They become quite adept at passing on the back half of the field because of the space allowed, but as they get further and further forward, they struggle to play the same game as the space between players has diminished and opponents become more concentrated. Then they play the ball back to an area where they are again granted more space to be successful .... the completed 2-touch passes become the end game and not putting the ball in the back of the net(because they are so afraid of making a mistake and turning it over).

sounds exactly like our da club. no creativity no problem solving no trust in the players. stick to the system at all costs never adjust to what is happening in the game. total disservice to the players because once in college they will be lost.

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sounds exactly like our da club. no creativity no problem solving no trust in the players. stick to the system at all costs never adjust to what is happening in the game. total disservice to the players because once in college they will be lost.

because the culture values wins much higher than development. i think you are a little off. The players are in general not talented enough or committed enough to really benefit from freedom so coaches teach a system that tries to deliver wins irrespective of talent level.

Unless the kids you are talking about are going to one of say 20 schools, College is going to be EXACTLY THE SAME!

The most successful College team is a system team, UNC.

To solve problems and be creative, you MUST have great fundamentals. First touch etc. We dont develop that organically here thru watching the sport and playing with a ball OUTSIDE of structure.

so in summary, we have the club environment that reflects the skills needed for the MAJORITY of Colleges. If you want that to change, you have to change what the end users need to win. In the NWSL, the Courage win with structure and power. They bully Portland, arguably a more "creative" team. The USWNT is not overly creative either.

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Funny how BS is featured so prominently in that video, hahaha, guess being a bad-girl doesn't necessarily get in the way of being a great player...

The video is really nicely done. All the girls looked great. Looks like Kaz allows them to be creative with play and the girls are really comfy with the ball at their feet

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sounds exactly like our da club. no creativity no problem solving no trust in the players. stick to the system at all costs never adjust to what is happening in the game. total disservice to the players because once in college they will be lost.

It is part of our culture in most of our activities....drill, drill, drill, drill and drill more....where the europeans focus on creativity and fluidity in the style of play the americans are focused on "the play"...no creativity and the game changes....and the us style of play quickly derails itself and falls apart. you don't need to be an expert soccer guy to see it and appreciate the beauty in the eurpean style of play. Europe is playing chess on the soccer field while the us is still playing checkers.

Even in other professions like architecture our best architects & Engineers are mostly foreign, our best doctors are mostly foreign our best scientists are mostly foreign....we as a country lack creativity.