SUSA Albertson teams

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Are you insane? In Nassau, there is 1 ECNL club, and each age division has 1 ENCL team and 1 RNCL team, at most 35-40 girls combined in each age group. There are 56 High School soccer teams in Nassau county, with an average of 19 Players per team. That's 1064 varsity players alone, and you say ENCL/RCNL players are the only ones that receive playing time? That is one hell of a Kool-Aid you are drinking there.

I'm not even in this argument but I have to chime in here. Your logic is ridiculous! If, by your math, there are 35 to 40 girls in ECNL and RL you can't compare them to all 56 high school teams. You can only judge the schools that they are in. I would say the majority are from the more populated schools in League 1 or 2.

So you'd have to see if the 35 to 40 girls start for their respective schools or not

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I'm not even in this argument but I have to chime in here. Your logic is ridiculous! If, by your math, there are 35 to 40 girls in ECNL and RL you can't compare them to all 56 high school teams. You can only judge the schools that they are in. I would say the majority are from the more populated schools in League 1 or 2.

So you'd have to see if the 35 to 40 girls start for their respective schools or not

Thank you for being logical.

there are 2 climbs that are ecnl/rl between Nassau and suffolk.
both eventually migrate to a black and white team pre ecnl which then becomes NL/RL + players on the respective B teams etc.

I cover high school sports and I can tell you that the majority of the players who start on every high school team are current club kids or were at one point in time . It’s not an opinion.

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Thank you for being logical.

there are 2 climbs that are ecnl/rl between Nassau and suffolk.
both eventually migrate to a black and white team pre ecnl which then becomes NL/RL + players on the respective B teams etc.

I cover high school sports and I can tell you that the majority of the players who start on every high school team are current club kids or were at one point in time . It’s not an opinion.

That wasnt the OP statement though.
THe original statement was all high school teams are composed of NL & RL and any other kids dont get much playing time.
If you do the math that is impossible.
Thats saying the whole Levittown, Farmingdale, Massapequa etc... Teams are all starting just NL & RL players, the rest of the team members that dont play for NL RL are benched or not much playing time. All 3 of those teams probably makeup EMSC NL & RL teams so what about the other High Schools on Long Island who plays on their teams?

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Is there really a higher percentage of players that get accepted to D1&D2 schools that play ECNL. Its very pricey and you have to travel far for games. Im sure there are plenty of excellent players that cant afford an ECNL league and all the travel that goes along with it that are playing in EDP and GA
The fact that so much emphasis is put on ECNL is crazy. I know kids that are amazing players and have never tried out for these ECNL clubs because A. They cant afford it or B. They dont want to commit to the crazy travel or C. Because its their first kid playing in competitive soccer and they have/had no idea about this tiered world.
Why dont thwy let these ECNL teams consistently play against EDP or GA so you can really see the competition. A game here or there in a tournament tells nothing. Or maybe its bc then the ECNL leagues won't be able to charge as much....

Yes, there are some players outside the higher end leagues who can play in D1 and D2 schools. In a lot of ways, to be warned, getting on a D2 roster is harder since they recruit Internationals heavily

So, yes it's possible.

It is probably? No. As someone else mentioned, schools need to go to where they will get the most activity. They can't go to individual games all over, and against generally poorer competition. So, they will go to events where there they can look at 8-12 players across several teams and see them competing against like-skilled players. From the girls perspective, I think over 60% of D1 players were in ECNL. The remaining were mixed GA, NPL.EDP, and Internationals. Rarely, very rarely, but not never, a rec player only playing in HS will get on a college roster (beyond D3).

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Yes, there are some players outside the higher end leagues who can play in D1 and D2 schools. In a lot of ways, to be warned, getting on a D2 roster is harder since they recruit Internationals heavily

So, yes it's possible.

It is probably? No. As someone else mentioned, schools need to go to where they will get the most activity. They can't go to individual games all over, and against generally poorer competition. So, they will go to events where there they can look at 8-12 players across several teams and see them competing against like-skilled players. From the girls perspective, I think over 60% of D1 players were in ECNL. The remaining were mixed GA, NPL.EDP, and Internationals. Rarely, very rarely, but not never, a rec player only playing in HS will get on a college roster (beyond D3).

Everything here is accurate except this part

"So, they will go to events where there they can look at 8-12 players across several teams and see them competing against like-skilled players."

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So, they will go to events where there they can look at 8-12 players across several teams and see them play.

Like skilled implies that the talent is evenly split. its not and the goal of many teams is to do everything they can to make sure its not via recruiting

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Everything here is accurate except this part

"So, they will go to events where there they can look at 8-12 players across several teams and see them competing against like-skilled players."

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So, they will go to events where there they can look at 8-12 players across several teams and see them play.

Like skilled implies that the talent is evenly split. its not and the goal of many teams is to do everything they can to make sure its not via recruiting

ECNL tries to match showcase teams with similar records in order to have competitive matches. So if you are at the top of your conference, they tend to match you with other top teams in their respective conferences. If you are at the bottom of your conference, then expect to be matched up against other teams with below average wins. The point is to have fairly even games and avoid major blow outs. Now, playing time in showcases is always up for debate, and some teams play to win still and others give adequate time for everyone there who is still actively recruiting.

But coaches are looking at far more than 8-12 players at any given showcase, especially earlier in the cycle. They are dealing with a pool of hundreds initially and then whittle that down. Even the final short list has to be bigger, as it's a game of musical chairs and the same top players are potentially being sought after by multiple schools but only can choose one in the end.

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That wasnt the OP statement though.
THe original statement was all high school teams are composed of NL & RL and any other kids dont get much playing time.
If you do the math that is impossible.
Thats saying the whole Levittown, Farmingdale, Massapequa etc... Teams are all starting just NL & RL players, the rest of the team members that dont play for NL RL are benched or not much playing time. All 3 of those teams probably makeup EMSC NL & RL teams so what about the other High Schools on Long Island who plays on their teams?

Exactly. I perfect example is the Massapequa varsity team they are a top-ranked high school team and dominated last year. Only 2 of the starters are from ECNL/RCNL, there are 3 from LISC and 2 from Surf. The rest play for Massapequa SC. This idea that the OP and others try to spread that if you are not on an ECNL/RCNL team it is hopeless is just ridiculous. I agree that all players on High School teams are playing for a club of some kind outside of High School but the statement about the majority of ECNL/RL made is just not true.

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Exactly. I perfect example is the Massapequa varsity team they are a top-ranked high school team and dominated last year. Only 2 of the starters are from ECNL/RCNL, there are 3 from LISC and 2 from Surf. The rest play for Massapequa SC. This idea that the OP and others try to spread that if you are not on an ECNL/RCNL team it is hopeless is just ridiculous. I agree that all players on High School teams are playing for a club of some kind outside of High School but the statement about the majority of ECNL/RL made is just not true.

That is correct, and on average only 10% of HS girl soccer players will play in college and 2 5% in D1. A large school with a strong program may have better than average recruiting rates, but it's still probably only 1 in 5 of the roster.

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At the SUSA Spring Kickoff tournament, why were the Albertson teams still going by their old club name, when they have been acquired by SUSA? Why aren't the Albertson girls not fully incorporated into one of the SUSA teams?

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[QUOTE=Guest;n4449977]At the SUSA Spring Kickoff tournament, why were the Albertson teams still going by their old club name, when they have been acquired by SUSA? Why aren't the Albertson girls not fully incorporated into one of the SUSA teams?[/QUOT

It is my understanding that they keep the Albertson name until 11v11 when they merge into one ECNL and 1 ECRL team and just use the SUSA name.

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At the SUSA Spring Kickoff tournament, why were the Albertson teams still going by their old club name, when they have been acquired by SUSA? Why aren't the Albertson girls not fully incorporated into one of the SUSA teams?[/QUOT

It is my understanding that they keep the Albertson name until 11v11 when they merge into one ECNL and 1 ECRL team and just use the SUSA name.

correct.

in most years/cases. The Albertson girls would comprise the majority of ecrl.

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Exactly. I perfect example is the Massapequa varsity team they are a top-ranked high school team and dominated last year. Only 2 of the starters are from ECNL/RCNL, there are 3 from LISC and 2 from Surf. The rest play for Massapequa SC. This idea that the OP and others try to spread that if you are not on an ECNL/RCNL team it is hopeless is just ridiculous. I agree that all players on High School teams are playing for a club of some kind outside of High School but the statement about the majority of ECNL/RL made is just not true.

With all due respect. Massapequa high school soccer is not good. Any ecnl team is going to win 20-0. If you don’t understand the level of play at the academies you just don’t know. The ecnl kids are their for entertainment…it’s not even soccer to them.

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With all due respect. Massapequa high school soccer is not good. Any ecnl team is going to win 20-0. If you don’t understand the level of play at the academies you just don’t know. The ecnl kids are their for entertainment…it’s not even soccer to them.

Well, if you had any reading comprehension or took the time to read the thread, you would realize your comment has nothing to do with the discussion or the comment you are replying to. Please take a moment to read the comments I was responding to, and you will see what I mean. This discussion had absolutely nothing to do with comparing ECNL to Massapequa. You would think it would be worth taking a few minutes to read before taking a few min to respond.

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With all due respect. Massapequa high school soccer is not good. Any ecnl team is going to win 20-0. If you don’t understand the level of play at the academies you just don’t know. The ecnl kids are their for entertainment…it’s not even soccer to them.

Most of your kids aren't going anywhere and will wind up with regular jobs. Calm down son. ECNL or town its youth soccer so get off your soapbox.
Some choose to spend a fortune, stand on a soap box, then when their kid is a teacher at 25 has no more soap box to stand on bc that town soccer kid is a teacher too, except that kids parents didnt shell out as much money.

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Exactly. I perfect example is the Massapequa varsity team they are a top-ranked high school team and dominated last year. Only 2 of the starters are from ECNL/RCNL, there are 3 from LISC and 2 from Surf. The rest play for Massapequa SC. This idea that the OP and others try to spread that if you are not on an ECNL/RCNL team it is hopeless is just ridiculous. I agree that all players on High School teams are playing for a club of some kind outside of High School but the statement about the majority of ECNL/RL made is just not true.

Is this girls? What does top ranked mean? How did they do in playoffs last year. The term top ranked is loosely used, you are trying to make a point I'm not saying Massapequa is not good I just don't remember seeing this team late in the playoffs.