ECNL Regional path to playing ECNL teams.

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Better analogy...

Like hiring Bonnie and Clyde to manage a bank.

Like trusting Stalin to watch out for Eastern Europe

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Like trusting Stalin to watch out for Eastern Europe

Like trusting Paul Verhoeven to manage Elizabeth Berkeley’s career*

*Showgirls reference. The world really doesn’t have enough Showgirls references.

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Like trusting Paul Verhoeven to manage Elizabeth Berkeley’s career*

*Showgirls reference. The world really doesn’t have enough Showgirls references.

And this why Youth soccer in NJ is screwed. If parents were smart, they would be rooting for another competitive league in NJ............But unfortunately, some parents who now occupy these clubs cling to a hubris that is damaging to their own kids....This is astonishing since they have nothing to gain from such prideful proclamations and everything to lose.

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And this why Youth soccer in NJ is screwed. If parents were smart, they would be rooting for another competitive league in NJ............But unfortunately, some parents who now occupy these clubs cling to a hubris that is damaging to their own kids....This is astonishing since they have nothing to gain from such prideful proclamations and everything to lose.

Totally agree. It’s kind of like how Cristal was keeping Nomi blocked out of the main show because she was protecting her fame/money. Nomi had to work in the lower shows and eventually was promoted to the top league.

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And this why Youth soccer in NJ is screwed. If parents were smart, they would be rooting for another competitive league in NJ............But unfortunately, some parents who now occupy these clubs cling to a hubris that is damaging to their own kids....This is astonishing since they have nothing to gain from such prideful proclamations and everything to lose.

Why??? We had GDA, and it failed our daughters. Clubs were supposed to follow specific rules and guidelines, which they didn't, and then blamed everyone else when they were caught breaking the rules. Clubs were supposed to run 4 training sessions a week with one game on the weekend, clubs in turn then held 2-3 training sessions a week, with 2 games on some weekends.

Why not have a top tier level league, such as ECNL; A mid tier level league, such as EDP USYS and lower leagues such as EDP MAPS or MCYSA or NCSANJ that is more local? Why do we have to have more leagues that promote the same thing we have already, but never really deliver on what they promise?

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Why??? We had GDA, and it failed our daughters. Clubs were supposed to follow specific rules and guidelines, which they didn't, and then blamed everyone else when they were caught breaking the rules. Clubs were supposed to run 4 training sessions a week with one game on the weekend, clubs in turn then held 2-3 training sessions a week, with 2 games on some weekends.

Why not have a top tier level league, such as ECNL; A mid tier level league, such as EDP USYS and lower leagues such as EDP MAPS or MCYSA or NCSANJ that is more local? Why do we have to have more leagues that promote the same thing we have already, but never really deliver on what they promise?

Yeah edp is on par with the ecrl. Just not at a level that is good enough. If pda shore has ecnl then I guess we’ll have 3 in Nj

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Why??? We had GDA, and it failed our daughters. Clubs were supposed to follow specific rules and guidelines, which they didn't, and then blamed everyone else when they were caught breaking the rules. Clubs were supposed to run 4 training sessions a week with one game on the weekend, clubs in turn then held 2-3 training sessions a week, with 2 games on some weekends.

Why not have a top tier level league, such as ECNL; A mid tier level league, such as EDP USYS and lower leagues such as EDP MAPS or MCYSA or NCSANJ that is more local? Why do we have to have more leagues that promote the same thing we have already, but never really deliver on what they promise?

The quality of play in ECRL is far below USYS EDP 1st Div. I get it that EDP has many layers but the top layer is really as good if not better than ECRL, GAL or even the bottom half of ECNL. There are teams in EDP 1st Div that can literally compete with great teams from the best leagues.

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The quality of play in ECRL is far below USYS EDP 1st Div. I get it that EDP has many layers but the top layer is really as good if not better than ECRL, GAL or even the bottom half of ECNL. There are teams in EDP 1st Div that can literally compete with great teams from the best leagues.

And their is the problem that none seems to understand. ECNL is a CLUB league not TEAM. An entire club is brought in based on being competitive across multiple age groups and not just 1 or 2 where as USYS is about each team. So either ECNL would need to break down and allow single club teams to compete or a single top level league would need to exist for single teams.

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And this why Youth soccer in NJ is screwed. If parents were smart, they would be rooting for another competitive league in NJ............But unfortunately, some parents who now occupy these clubs cling to a hubris that is damaging to their own kids....This is astonishing since they have nothing to gain from such prideful proclamations and everything to lose.

Why would we want to route for yet another league? How about these clubs excel in the leagues they were in before creating a new one and declaring it one of the top in the country. ECNL earned it's right to call itself the best. Sure they have some low hanging fruit that can be picked off by top EDP or former GDA teams but until ENCL creates a relegation system they aren't moving. The GA, once it added the Ukies, showed they were more concerned about warm bodies then actual ability. Your club can have all the intentions in the world of training the proper way but if you don't have the talent to use it what good is it to the rest of the division to play you? You could even say that playing in a league that has various styles of play is more beneficial. Players would need to adjust their game against kick and run teams and possession teams. Instead GA wants 1 style. Which, coupled with their over management of players, will be their undoing just like GDA.

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Why not have a top tier level league, such as ECNL; A mid tier level league, such as EDP USYS and lower leagues such as EDP MAPS or MCYSA or NCSANJ that is more local? Why do we have to have more leagues that promote the same thing we have already, but never really deliver on what they promise?

conceptually, yes. However it can't be done with the existing leagues, which are for profit and include clubs as board members. A ladder or pyramid can't have clubs dictating terms because none will ever make decisions unless they're to their own benefit. A single sanctioning body, governed with no influence from super clubs would have to be put in place.

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Why would we want to route for yet another league? How about these clubs excel in the leagues they were in before creating a new one and declaring it one of the top in the country. ECNL earned it's right to call itself the best. Sure they have some low hanging fruit that can be picked off by top EDP or former GDA teams but until ENCL creates a relegation system they aren't moving. The GA, once it added the Ukies, showed they were more concerned about warm bodies then actual ability. Your club can have all the intentions in the world of training the proper way but if you don't have the talent to use it what good is it to the rest of the division to play you? You could even say that playing in a league that has various styles of play is more beneficial. Players would need to adjust their game against kick and run teams and possession teams. Instead GA wants 1 style. Which, coupled with their over management of players, will be their undoing just like GDA.

What does this have to do with the ECRL There will be no true promotion in NJ and thats the point. It is a monopoly controlled by two participants. The ECRL will always be second rate because they do not have to compete with another clubs top teams. They are trying to direct the players in by monopolizing the landscape and that will not work. Im not sure whats so hard to understand? They have been trying to do this for years. "a rose by any other
name" still stinks. By the way I looked up the team Cleveland FC ,a DA team, that got chosen for the ECRL... They are advertising it big time but if you look closely, its for their second team. Just click on academy boys and girls and see what they replace the DA with... yes thats right, The GAL...Its great marketing for these teams to be in both the GAL and the ECRL...a win win for the clubs B team. Just like it's a win win for the ECNL clubs B team.... What you have to hope is that the GAL falls apart and the girls have no choice but the ECRL. No player and parent is going to leave the GAL for the ECRL at this point unless they want play high school and they are just a cut below and cannot replace an ECNL player on ant team.

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What does this have to do with the ECRL There will be no true promotion in NJ and thats the point. It is a monopoly controlled by two participants. The ECRL will always be second rate because they do not have to compete with another clubs top teams. They are trying to direct the players in by monopolizing the landscape and that will not work. Im not sure whats so hard to understand? They have been trying to do this for years. "a rose by any other
name" still stinks. By the way I looked up the team Cleveland FC ,a DA team, that got chosen for the ECRL... They are advertising it big time but if you look closely, its for their second team. Just click on academy boys and girls and see what they replace the DA with... yes thats right, The GAL...Its great marketing for these teams to be in both the GAL and the ECRL...a win win for the clubs B team. Just like it's a win win for the ECNL clubs B team.... What you have to hope is that the GAL falls apart and the girls have no choice but the ECRL. No player and parent is going to leave the GAL for the ECRL at this point unless they want play high school and they are just a cut below and cannot replace an ECNL player on ant team.

So what Cleveland FC is using the 2nd team for ECRL. Have you ever played them? I've seen them a few times over the years. The 2nd team will represent the club very well with out massive blow outs which will get the club an invite to ECNL.

But still though, just because clubs in this area will not be moving to ECNL due to PDA doesn't mean the creation of GA is a better solution. Still the same average to above average teams the GDA had except the strongest moved to ECNL. Those clubs that started the GA wanted to continue to be able to charge players a premium which they couldn't have done had they moved back to USYS/EDP. Now that clubs have more control over what they offer for this "elite" league expect more promises and less return. 4 nights of practice...well maybe 3 this week or we are only going to do 2. GA lost respect when it brought in the Ukrainian teams. Weak teams across the board in EDP, so what made them special other than being across the street from Bucks and friends with GDA DOCs? PSA, Philly Coppa and Europa FC all have better teams then them.

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Cleveland Force (not Cleveland FC) might be putting their 2nd teams in ECRL. If those teams dominates and Cleveland Force gets accepted into ECNL, then if they put that 2nd team in ECNL it will be an indication that they think GAL is superior. If those 2nd teams do not dominate ECRL, then they won't earn ECNL.

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Cleveland Force (not Cleveland FC) might be putting their 2nd teams in ECRL. If those teams dominates and Cleveland Force gets accepted into ECNL, then if they put that 2nd team in ECNL it will be an indication that they think GAL is superior. If those 2nd teams do not dominate ECRL, then they won't earn ECNL.

True but right now they clearly think their ECRL is only worthy of their second team

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True but right now they clearly think their ECRL is only worthy of their second team

Ohio Valley had it's own ECRL conference this past year, and it was made up primarily of ECNL 2nd teams, so understandable that Cleveland Force would look at it as a league for 2nd teams. But it'll be interesting what happens with ECRL conferences that are newly formed (eg. Florida, Heartland Conference) with new non-ECNL clubs.